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N8 v2.0

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Papers show 'gloomy' state of insurgency
By SAMEER N. YACOUB, Associated Press Writer

A blueprint for trying to start a war between the United States and Iran was among a "huge treasure" of documents found in the hideout of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Iraqi officials said Thursday. The document, purporting to reflect al-Qaida policy and its cooperation with groups loyal to ousted President Saddam Hussein, also appear to show that the insurgency in Iraq was weakening.

The al-Qaida in Iraq document was translated and released by Iraqi National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie. There was no way to independently confirm the authenticity of the information attributed to al-Qaida.

Although the office of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said the document was found in al-Zarqawi's hideout following a June 7 airstrike that killed him, U.S. military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said the document had in fact been found in a previous raid as part of an ongoing three-week operation to track al-Zarqawi.

"We can verify that this information did come off some kind of computer asset that was at a safe location," he said. "This was prior to the al-Zarqawi safe house."

The document also said al-Zarqawi planned to try to destroy the relationship between the United States and its Shiite allies in Iraq.

While the coalition was continuing to suffer human losses, "time is now beginning to be of service to the American forces and harmful to the resistance," the document said.

The document said the insurgency was being hurt by, among other things, the U.S. military's program to train Iraqi security forces, by massive arrests and seizures of weapons, by tightening the militants' financial outlets, and by creating divisions within its ranks.

"Generally speaking and despite the gloomy present situation, we find that the best solution in order to get out of this crisis is to involve the U.S. forces in waging a war against another country or any hostile groups," the document said, as quoted by al-Maliki's office.

According to the summary, insurgents were being weakened by operations against them and by their failure to attract recruits. To give new impetus to the insurgency, they would have to change tactics, it added.

"We mean specifically attempting to escalate the tension between America and Iran, and American and the Shiite in Iraq," it quoted the documents as saying, especially among moderate followers of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the most influential Shiite cleric in Iraq.

"Creating disputes between America and them could hinder the U.S. cooperation with them, and subsequently weaken this kind of alliance between Shiites and the Americans," it said, adding that "the best solution is to get America involved in a war against another country and this would bring benefits."

They included "opening a new front" for the U.S. military and releasing some of the "pressure exerted on the resistance."

It pointed to clashes in 2004 between U.S. forces and followers of radical anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi army militia as evidence of the benefits of such a strategy. Al-Sadr and his growing followers are among the fiercest advocates of a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq.

It said the "results obtained during the struggle between U.S. army and al-Mahdi army is an example of the benefits to be gained by such struggle."

Al-Maliki's office said the document provides "the broad guidelines of the program of the Saddamists and the takfiris inside al-Zarqawi's group."

"Takfiri" is a reference to an extremist ideology that urges Muslims to kill anyone they consider an infidel, even fellow Muslims. It is the ideology that many Iraqis, especially in the Shiite community, use to describe al-Zarqawi and his followers.

The language contained in the document was different from the vocabulary used by al-Qaida statements posted on the Web. For example, it does not refer to the Americans as "Crusaders" nor use the term "rejectionists" to allude to Shiites.

Much of what is in the statement from al-Rubaie echoes results that the U.S. military and the Iraqi government say they are seeking. It also appears to reinforce American and Iraqi arguments that al-Qaida in Iraq and its operatives are a group of imported extremists bent on killing innocent civilians.

Al-Qaida in Iraq has been blamed for thousands of deaths, hundreds of bombings, kidnappings and assassinations in the past three years. Al-Qaida in Iraq's own hatred of the Shiites is well-documented and al-Zarqawi has repeatedly called on Sunnis to rise up and kill them.
 

N8 v2.0

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fluff said:
Shows how little you understand of "liberals".

I think not... a sucessful insurgency is their best and only hope to regain power in the Congress and White House... Heaven help their cause if it is defeated...
 

fluff

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N8 said:
I think not... a sucessful insurgency is their best and only hope to regain power in the Congress and White House... Heaven help their cause if it is defeated...
I cannot vote in the US so it is a moot point but I would rather see someone I did not vote for doing the right things than someone I did vote for doing the wrong things.

A peaceful Iraq would be a very good thing, regardless of who is POTUS.
 

Tenchiro

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N8 said:
I think not... a sucessful insurgency is their best and only hope to regain power in the Congress and White House... Heaven help their cause if it is defeated...
I thought the republicans were the democrats best hope in getting elected this year?
 

N8 v2.0

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More great news!



Post-al-Zarqawi Raids Kill 104 Insurgents
By KIM GAMEL
Jun 15, 8:33 AM EDT
Associated Press Writer


BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- American and Iraqi forces have carried out 452 raids since last week's killing of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and 104 insurgents were killed during those actions, the U.S. military said Thursday.

Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, said the raids were carried out nationwide and led to the discovery of 28 significant arms caches.

He said 255 of the raids were joint operations, while 143 were carried out by Iraqi forces alone. The raids also resulted in the captures of 759 "anti-Iraqi elements."
 

N8 v2.0

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Tenchiro said:
I thought the republicans were the democrats best hope in getting elected this year?

Not if they are going to run such a weak field of canidates...

:rofl:

MR PRESIDENT, FROM NEW MEXICO?
Thu Jun 15 2006 07:53:55 ET

Officially, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D) is focused on his November re-election race, even though it’s expected to be relatively easy. And as chairman of the Democratic Governors Association, Richardson also hopes to lead his party to a gain of at least a few more governorships. But ROLL CALL REPORTS: Some Democratic insiders insist that Richardson has more on his mind than that. They say he is telling friends and political allies that he has decided to run for president in 2008.

When I spoke with the governor recently, he would only say, “After November, I will reassess my plan.” But Richardson, 58, has long been mentioned for higher office as part of a Democratic national ticket, and I’d be flabbergasted if he didn’t take the presidential plunge for 2008...
 

DirtyDog

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wait a minute....wasn't it "Mission Accomplished" a few years ago?
Well there was a new mission. Duh. :oink:

So.... I wonder what the mission is now?
 

sanjuro

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btw N8, if the "insurgency" ended tomorrow, would you say 2500 Americans and countless Iraqis dead is a victory? Or they died for a worthy cause?

I want the war to end as quickly as possible, preferably with the current Iraqi government in place. But I never supported the war in the first place, but as soon as the first soldier set foot in Iraq, the quicker and more decisive we won, the better. That has not been the case.
 

BurlyShirley

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sanjuro said:
btw N8, if the "insurgency" ended tomorrow, would you say 2500 Americans and countless Iraqis dead is a victory? Or they died for a worthy cause?
I would. If stabilizing Iraq leads to a democratic middle east in the long run, the world will be better for it forever.
 

sanjuro

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BurlyShirley said:
I would. If stabilizing Iraq leads to a democratic middle east in the long run, the world will be better for it forever.
And that's why we invaded Iraq?

Egypt, Iran, and Saudi Arabia don't seem particularily happy.
 

BurlyShirley

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sanjuro said:
And that's why we invaded Iraq?

Egypt, Iran, and Saudi Arabia don't seem particularily happy.
It was on the list. Iran has never been happy. Egypt is a pretty stable place and the Saudis are fine so long as our money keeps pumping in..
 

ragin-sagin

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Your political-handicap has reigned supreme yet again, N8. Do you think that no liberals have friends and family getting killed and maimed on a daily basis by the 'insurgents'?
 

DaveW

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BurlyShirley said:
It was on the list. Iran has never been happy. Egypt is a pretty stable place and the Saudis are fine so long as our money keeps pumping in..

Check your facts clown.... Saudi is spinning out of the royal familys control.... they currently only (just) rule through fear, but have been losing their grip on the ordinary Saudi's.

Iran has been happy durring the Clinton adminestration where they were left alone and had started making progress towards become liberal....Then bush's fvcktards came in with the hard line which has caused them to head back towards the hardline themselves.

Egypt has quite a longstanding problem with home grown Islamic fundmentalist terrorisim.

:clue:
 

BurlyShirley

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DaveW said:
Check your facts clown.... Saudi is spinning out of the royal familys control.... they currently only (just) rule through fear, but have been losing their grip on the ordinary Saudi's.

Iran has been happy durring the Clinton adminestration where they were left alone and had started making progress towards become liberal....Then bush's fvcktards came in with the hard line which has caused them to head back towards the hardline themselves.

Egypt has quite a longstanding problem with home grown Islamic fundmentalist terrorisim.

:clue:
EVERY country in the mideast has a longstanding problem w/ islamic fundamentalism. Egypt has been one of the more stable one for quite some time:clue:

Iran is/has been a ticking timebomb since FOREVER :clue: :clue:

And MONEY is always where the power is. They control the oil, they control the religion, that's how it is and always will be :clue: :clue: :clue:

Clown.
 

DaveW

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BurlyShirley said:
EVERY country in the mideast has a longstanding problem w/ islamic fundamentalism. Egypt has been one of the more stable one for quite some time:clue:

No the problem in egypt has become far worse over the last 8-9 years and any place with longstanding polictical/religous terrorisim IS NOT stable.
And from wikipedia....
Concerns were once again expressed after the 2005 elections about government interference in the election process through fraud and vote-rigging. In addition, violence by pro-Mubarak supporters against opposition demonstrators and police brutality were evident during the elections. This poses major questions about the government's purported commitment to democracy.

BurlyShirley said:
Iran is/has been a ticking timebomb since FOREVER :clue: :clue:
Rubbish, Iran only becomes a problem when outsiders for their own (self obsessed & retarded) domestic political reasons use them as a whipping boy.
 

BurlyShirley

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DaveW said:
No the problem in egypt has become far worse over the last 8-9 years and any place with longstanding polictical/religous terrorisim IS NOT stable.
And from wikipedia....
So the US isnt stable either then, right?:rolleyes:


Rubbish, Iran only becomes a problem when outsiders for their own (self obsessed & retarded) domestic political reasons use them as a whipping boy.
Right. Giving a fundamentalist govt. nuclear capabilities is no issue at all.
 

DaveW

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BurlyShirley said:
So the US isnt stable either then, right?:rolleyes:

Right. Giving a fundamentalist govt. nuclear capabilities is no issue at all.

Your own leader is what I would call a borderline fundamentalsit to be honnest (claims "God" talks to him), and has a history of attacking other countrys.

Pakistan IS a fundamentalist country, and one of the least stable around. Why no outcry about their nukes?
Oh yeah that's right 2 reasons the current junta is still able to be ordered around. And having pakistan like that is a resource wasting diversion to the Indians slowing them down from becoming a superpower (with nukes). :clue: