[Silver]

Since I haven't seen the new movie yet, how about Jon Stewart and the goddamned Hollywood liberal machine over at the Daily Show:

http://video.lisarein.com/dailyshow/june2004/06-21-04-shrub-lies.mov

Remember, this is the same president who couldn't recall making a mistake since September 11, 2001 (he was sure he'd made at least one, just couldn't think of one on the spot...nice to see some quick thinking there by the commander in chief.)

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0414-01.htm

 

[Toshi]

ahha, that is a beautiful video. i just forwarded its address to my parents and my mailing list, hoping to stir up some debate

 

[Tenchiro]

Why do the republicans hate America?

 

[valve bouncer]

Bwahahahaha....talk about owned

 

[MMike]

I saw that last week when it aired. I laughed extremely hard.

Mr. Vice-president, I have to inform you that your pants are on fire.

 

[Toshi]

haha, nice location. you're getting out of seattle just in time

 

[narlus]

it's a good thing that we got those liars out of the white house. i forget, did clinton's monica job kill anyone?

 

[RhinofromWA]

I laugh at the daily show. He is a comedian after all, and he is funny.

Can't view the movie at work....but as far as "Remember, this is the same president who couldn't recall making a mistake since September 11, 2001 "

I can't say I blame him for not answering the question though I can see you were frothing at the mouth wanting an answer.... It was a loaded question....a good loaded question but a loaded question none the less.

Oh and Narlus,

You are right. I don't believe one soldier died under Clintons command

 

[Lexx D]

I laugh at the daily show.

I can't say I blame him for not answering the question though I can see you were frothing at the mouth wanting an answer.... It was a loaded question....a good loaded question but a loaded question none the less.

Yeah we should be nice and ask him easy questions like where is Iraq? Or how do you spell terror? Then he may have an answer, "may" being the key word here.

 

[Silver]

I laugh at the daily show. He is a comedian after all, and he is funny.

Can't view the movie at work....but as far as "Remember, this is the same president who couldn't recall making a mistake since September 11, 2001 "

I can't say I blame him for not answering the question though I can see you were frothing at the mouth wanting an answer.... It was a loaded question....a good loaded question but a loaded question none the less.

The tragic part is that Jon Stewart does a better job than the regular newsmedia does...

About the question, how much different is that than the fluff question that gets asked of every job interviewee? "What is your biggest weakness?"

How many people who answer "I can't really think of one right now...I know I've got one, but damn, I wish I could have had that question in advance" get hired?

 

[RhinofromWA]

The tragic part is that Jon Stewart does a better job than the regular newsmedia does...

Uhh, yeah..... He makes his living out of making fun of political figure heads. I wouldn't call him a reporter though I enjoy his work.

About the question, how much different is that than the fluff question that gets asked of every job interviewee? "What is your biggest weakness?"

How many people who answer "I can't really think of one right now...I know I've got one, but damn, I wish I could have had that question in advance" get hired?

It is very different. This wasn't an interview....it was a lyching question. Justify it as you want..... He could give a fluffed interview answer if that was what you wanted.

I am not mad the question was asked...it was a good loaded question. I am amazed how people reacted to the answer to the question. There is a balance needed by the president of the US in confidence in and reflection on his actions....but listing any mistakes at a press conference/public address/etc. is pointless. If the decisions he has made are the right ones at the time, they are probably not mistakes. He said he was sure he had made a few but couldn't think of any there....that at best, is a shaky public speaking trait(or sidestepping a loaded question while lightly addressing it)

 

[Silver]

Or he truly thinks that he's doing the job the Lord wants him to be doing.

God wouldn't appoint a fallible president, would he?

 

[bomberz1qr20]

I can't say I blame him for not answering the question though I can see you were frothing at the mouth wanting an answer.... It was a loaded question....a good loaded question but a loaded question none the less.

I have a feeling that particular reporter will never be allowed back in a Bush press conference.

I want a president that can answer loaded questions. In fact, I think if you want to be president, EVERY QUESTION should be loaded. It's an important job, sorta.

 

[MMike]

I have a feeling that particular reporter will never be allowed back in a Bush press conference.

I want a president that can answer loaded questions. In fact, I think if you want to be president, EVERY QUESTION should be loaded. It's an important job, sorta.

Exactly

 

[MMike]

And even though it's a comedy show, it is based on actual events. I get a disturbing amount of my news from the Daily Show these days......

It's not like they are splicing stuff together, or doing a Conan O'brien, photo with the moving lips. John Stewart's job is pretty easy. He just has to play the video and then mug to the camera. The material is making itself.

 

[golgiaparatus]

Since I haven't seen the new movie yet, how about Jon Stewart and the goddamned Hollywood liberal machine over at the Daily Show:

http://video.lisarein.com/dailyshow/june2004/06-21-04-shrub-lies.mov

Remember, this is the same president who couldn't recall making a mistake since September 11, 2001 (he was sure he'd made at least one, just couldn't think of one on the spot...nice to see some quick thinking there by the commander in chief.)

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0414-01.htm

still not as good as when he did the Gov. GW Bush vs. Pres. GW Bush

 

[Silver]

still not as good as when he did the Gov. GW Bush vs. Pres. GW Bush

True, that one was classic.

 

[Batman]

Daily Show is by far the best stuff on TV these days. I'm with most people here, it's the best place to get real news. The Bush Administration is making Stewarts job damn easy.

 

[LordOpie]

Daily Show is by far the best stuff on TV these days. I'm with most people here, it's the best place to get real news. The Bush Administration is making Stewarts job damn easy.

By far? That's a bit extreme, no? It's the best, but ATHF comes a close second

 

[narlus]

Oh and Narlus,

You are right. I don't believe one soldier died under Clintons command

my point is that his lie for which he got excoriated had nothing to do w/ a military invasion (unless you believe the wag the dog theory and even if you do, it's not even close to being on the same scale).

 

[RhinofromWA]

I want a president that can answer loaded questions. In fact, I think if you want to be president, EVERY QUESTION should be loaded. It's an important job, sorta.

(example of loaded question It is not in any way an actual question to you)
Mr President,

When you are getting rammed in the arse by your gas powered donky dong machine.....do you use lube?

See you can answer yes or no....both insinuate you take it in the rear with a machine.

If you say, "no I dont use such a machine." The whole world "knows you to have partaken at least once" so you better answer the question yes or no. I guess you could say you don't recall but you are sure you did use (or not use) lube in the past.....



Sorry I thought it was funny.

 

[RhinofromWA]

my point is that his lie for which he got excoriated had nothing to do w/ a military invasion (unless you believe the wag the dog theory and even if you do, it's not even close to being on the same scale).

No wag the dog theory here....

Just saying that using a sex/sexual harrassment scandel and comparing it to a military operation is alittle F'd up don't you think.

Apples to transmission gears and all that.

 

[fluff]

No wag the dog theory here....

Just saying that using a sex/sexual harrassment scandel and comparing it to a military operation is alittle F'd up don't you think.

Yeah, so why do all the Bush fans here do it so often?

 

[Lexx D]

Yeah, so why do all the Bush fans here do it so often?

Good question. Any of the bush clan want to answer

 

[RhinofromWA]

Yeah, so why do all the Bush fans here do it so often?

Comparing Iraq death toll to clinton getting a blow job? I don't think I do.

Now if you are accusing Bush of lieing and knowing Clinton lied under oath we are getting closer.....

Clinton was/is a better liar I will give you that. neaky: Freak'n stained blue dress.... :mumble:

Edit: side note - CLinton is in Western WA today signing his book at Costco. and later in DT Seattle at a book store.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Good question. Any of the bush clan want to answer

Just goes to show you that you are no differnet than the Bush clan you hate so..... neaky: lol

Good question? Ummm no.

 

[bomberz1qr20]

...Sorry I thought it was funny.

Keep your day job.




I am talking about tough questions here, not TRICK questions.

A questions such as "What mistakes have you made?" or "Is there anything you regret about your foreign policy?" or "What are you doing right now about the sad condition of education in America" are all legit.

A president should be intelligent and HUMBLE enough to answer these, with out a lame answer like "I can't think of one mistake..."

I think he might believe he hasn't. That's the (our) problem.

 

[bomberz1qr20]

Now if you are accusing Bush of lieing and knowing Clinton lied under oath we are getting closer.....

We all know Bush lies through his teeth. Under oath? No - he won't take one. He won't even go before a congressional hearing alone.

Clinton lied under oath, yes, but did his lies and up killing US soldiers? Nope. It cost the taxpayers millions in court costs, but that pales compared to the cost of Bush's lies.

So yeah, Clinton was/is a better lier. He didn't get anyone killed.

 

[RhinofromWA]

We all know Bush lies through his teeth. Under oath? No - he won't take one. He won't even go before a congressional hearing alone.

Clinton lied under oath, yes, but did his lies and up killing US soldiers? Nope. It cost the taxpayers millions in court costs, but that pales compared to the cost of Bush's lies.

So yeah, Clinton was/is a better lier. He didn't get anyone killed.

you still don't get it...clintons BJ lie didn't kill anyone. But you are accusing Bush of lieing and connecting deaths with it.

That is wrong, so wrong.

Comparing CLintons presidency and Bushes is also heavily biased....he did not have close to the same issues come at him that Bush is having now. If the planes hit under Clintons watch you think that american soldiers would not have died? Think about it.....unless you have given up on thinking past party lines.

 

[RhinofromWA]

I am talking about tough questions here, not TRICK questions.

A questions such as "What mistakes have you made?" or "Is there anything you regret about your foreign policy?" or "What are you doing right now about the sad condition of education in America" are all legit.

A president should be intelligent and HUMBLE enough to answer these, with out a lame answer like "I can't think of one mistake..."

I think he might believe he hasn't. That's the (our) problem.

The question wasn't much different....but go ahead and keep thinking that way.

How is acknowledging he has made some mistakes, but would not list them, not answering.....the reporter was looking for headline news bit/blood.

It was a question that didn't need to be answered.....unless you are looking for blood. But I guess in the political times we are in that is to be expected.

All the questions you listed could be answered in a politician sort of no answer sort of way and you would be happy? No politician has answerd those questions outright.

God you are out for blood and will accuse (assuming it fact) until you get your way.....good job!

 

[Tenchiro]

The question wasn't much different....but go ahead and keep thinking that way.

How is acknowledging he has made some mistakes, but would not list them, not answering.....the reporter was looking for headline news bit/blood.

It was a question that didn't need to be answered.....unless you are looking for blood. But I guess in the political times we are in that is to be expected.

All the questions you listed could be answered in a politician sort of no answer sort of way and you would be happy? No politician has answerd those questions outright.

God you are out for blood and will accuse (assuming it fact) until you get your way.....good job!

Yet if he had mentioned a few points where he indeed thought he could have done a better job, he might have gotten a little bit of respct. The way he did he, he just gets mocked.

 

[Batman]

But you are accusing Bush of lieing and connecting deaths with it.

"Weapons of mass distruction!!! No no!!! Catching Saddam!!! No no!! Liberating Iraq!!! Yeah, that's it! we're 'liberating' the Iraqi's...sounds good don't it?"

 

[RhinofromWA]

"Weapons of mass distruction!!!

Bush wasn't the only one believing they were there when we went back in..... So where are the rest of the lying world? Just about everyone thought he had them available at the time. We haven't found enough to satisfy people (probably rightfully so) but that does not equate to lieing about it.

Try again.

Catching Saddam!!!

He forfieted his right to continue in power by ignoring the resolutions set forth by the UN when the UN let him stay in power. He agreed to do certain things in the reslution to keep on ruling Iraq....he did not. He was then rightfully removed.

Liberating Iraq!!! Yeah, that's it! we're 'liberating' the Iraqi's...sounds good don't it?"

Well yes, yes it does. It doesn't sound good to you?

 

[Lexx D]

you still don't get it...clintons BJ lie didn't kill anyone. But you are accusing Bush of lieing and connecting deaths with it.

That is wrong, so wrong.

If Bush did in fact lie about WMD's then yes his lies did in fact cause the deaths.
I think he did lie about the "facts" and because of his lies or his ignorance people have died. So yea his lies are much worse than clintons. Clinton may have sent troops but who knows. Bush said that "this is the same man that wanted to kill my father" that shows a bit of revenge in my my eyes. So i'm sure he wasn't nearly as hesitant as another president would have been. I think he was looking for an excuse.

 

[Lexx D]

Well yes, yes it does. It doesn't sound good to you?

Lots of people in this world need help. When are we going to help them?......Oh that's it they don't have anything we need or want so why help them.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Lots of people in this world need help. When are we going to help them?......Oh that's it they don't have anything we need or want so why help them.

You assume everything should be done out of the goodness of our heart....how precious.

Yes we should expect something in return....are we getting anything from Iraq? No....no gas....no love....no revenge (oops! that was for you guys cuz I luv U beleive it or not )

So you are saying the US should make a all at once strike to rid the world of bad things?....uh no.

I was asked if liberating Iraq sounded good.....and I said it did. Does it not?

But please take my answer and force feed it into another subject all together. I know I am frustrating people today but it is not out of malice or just wanting to annoy.

 

[Toshi]

rhino, the us expected to profit from iraq.

http://www.iht.com/articles/112497.html, october 2003

Similarly, Bush administration officials announced earlier this year that Iraq's oil revenues would be $20 billion to $30 billion a year. Bremer now estimates that Iraq's total oil revenues from the last half of 2003 to 2005 will amount to $35 billion, running at a rate of about $14 billion a year.

 

[bomberz1qr20]

Trying to convince a Bush supporter that Bush is wrong and dangerous for this country is pointless. The right is deaf.

It's like trying to convince a retarded child to write computer code.


I'm done with it. Kerry has my vote. Hopefully he will do some good for the USA, and not for some other sh*thole country who doesn't give a rat's ass about us. I'd like to see things improve. Maybe little things like, I dunno, the economy, education, health care, etc...

Anyone remember that stuff?

Bush forgot.

 

[RhinofromWA]

If Bush did in fact lie about WMD's then yes his lies did in fact cause the deaths.
I think he did lie about the "facts" and because of his lies or his ignorance people have died. So yea his lies are much worse than clintons. Clinton may have sent troops but who knows. Bush said that "this is the same man that wanted to kill my father" that shows a bit of revenge in my my eyes. So i'm sure he wasn't nearly as hesitant as another president would have been. I think he was looking for an excuse.

Hersay and accusations are wonderfull things.

That is a big IF to base the accusations on. Almost EVERYONE thought Saddam still had WMD....is that lieing? No. Ignorance(missinformed) is another route that I am more apt to agree with, than maliciously lieing.

You are right...who knows what Clinton would have done. I bet soldiers would have died....that isn't that big of a stretch. Or we would have done nothing......(no I don't think even Clinton would have done that)

As far as the quote about killing his father....that is one interpretation. It could even be true. He cold also be showing that this man was capable of...just another option for you to consider.

The last two are speculation and more assumptions....but we are talking hypotheticals here so I will let you have your opinons. Just be care full the linking of assumptions you hold as truth....please. Was he less hesitant than another president? Maybe. What would GOre have done....odds are what ever he did we would be bitching about it and soldiers would be dieing....maybe not in the same way....again hypotheticals are fun to day dream about.

 

[RhinofromWA]

rhino, the us expected to profit from iraq.

http://www.iht.com/articles/112497.html, october 2003

Toshi the US is not profiting off that revenue...Iraq is.

It also mentioned in the article that Iraq could help pay for it's reconstruction....just like countries in past wars. There was no mention of the US profiting even inbetween the lines....we expended much more than we stand to gain. So the article didn't say what you wanted it to....where is the profit?

Rhino

Maybe it wasn't the article you were looking for?