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Discussion in 'Cross Country, All Mountain & Trail Riding' started by 4xBoy, Jan 9, 2019.
Anyone else running them?
I am in love, nearly all my bikes now run them.
Quiet is faster.
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@Sandwich has one. Not sure if you can say he's running them though.
I've always been intrigued by those. A buddy runs them on his bikes. I'm a big fan of tight engagement.
(that's what she said!)
I looked at 'em, never made the leap.
Har har not wrong tho
Mine have been fine for all twelve miles. I love the fast rolling and silence. I do not like the spongey feel under torque. You get used to it but it's not as direct as other hugs
Woody also has some now
The new XTR and shimano stuff is interesting too, silent. The sprag mech on the Onyx should be able to deal with massive torque, but it's not light. The new XTR is light.
I thought they were developing a lighter version? I haven't investigated for several months though.
Seems to exist somewhere with the new Karpiel bikes so far...
Planning on them for this winters 29r build.
Latest on the lightweight version is spring 2019 + 2 weeks.
they aren't too bad with the aluminum driver. there are certainly lighter hubs out there though.
Did they ever release their lighter version hubs?
Not yet, some design changes are being worked on.
The hardened steel insert on the alloy version is a nice touch.
Ya, I heard something about DT's microspline being plugged in...
Talked to Dan the other day.
The lightweight hubs are on track for an April release.
There will be no 157 in the initial release, and at this point no ETA.
Just heard back from Dan @ Onyx regarding XTR Microspline retrofits to allow the new XTR cassette to be used.
Shimano has not opened up licencing yet.
So, at this point there are no Microspline retrofits for old hubs, as well there is no idea when or even if Shimano will open up their patent.
At this point DT-Swiss and I9 are the only companies outside of Shimano who have licences to produce Microspline.
I guess Shimano does not want me back as a customer.
shimano has bigger fish to fry right now, given the delays they're experiencing with the new xtr stuff. they had to remove the sylence tech from the hubs.
wow, on all fronts. sram has them nailed in the cassette department, don't they...
Shimano is being a big poopy with the spline control.
Reminds me, I will be getting some more hubs soon.
- sounds like a band name, lol.
Yup, one fuck up after another.
XD is an open standard.
But no, we have to create yet another standard, then we won't let it be produced by most of the industry, then just for extra frosting, we cancel the one hub that everybody has been looking forward to leaving even less options.
For Heyzoos's sake, we have people buying DT microspline drivers and chucking them in a lathe to re-shoulder the body to fit the last gen of DT Swiss hubs....cause guess what, older 240's you are out of luck, but there is a fix if you have accesses to a lathe for 10 minutes. DT says no plans for a driver sized to fit older generations
Don't even get me started on the new tooth / chain profile....
XD isn't open. You have to license it.
You can actually manufacture XD freehubs, but XD compatible cassettes are a different story altogether. Suntour had to create a sleeve to chuck over the XD freehub to put their XD compatible cassette in the street without facing a nice litigation from SRAM.
Also just so we're clear - Shimano didn't cancel the xtr hubs. They just won't have the Sylence feature.
That was a pretty strong mini-rant there, mykel
The funniest part is if you travel back in time everyone was making the same complaints about sram when they initiallyreleased XD
my xtr hub is Sylence
@jonKranked Ya, I know I'm being pedantic, but I'm getting old, grumpy and want all you bastages off of my lawn.
When they killed that feature they killed that hub. They may use the shell with different conventional guts to sell, but that is not the Sylence hub, that is gone.
As for emulating SRAM - that may be the case, but who's fault is that? Just because they fvcked up and did a SRAM does not mean that we customers can't Nelson Muntz them. They need to be pointed and laughed at.
Amateurs - they have had 4 years to answer the SRAM shot, and when we are all expecting fireworks, we get an anemic backfire.
@Nick - Yup, feel much better-er now. Better getting it out by yelling at clouds and you fools, then snapping at my family. I guess I've been trying to figure out the drivetrain for the new bike. Was pretty set on XTR and figured I may have to wait a bit for a driver, so use a cheap GX or similar in the short term....but then you find out no microspline driver, and the chain / chainring issues, no cranks etc. Still a small chance I will go XTR mechs with SRAM cassette and chain instead of full X01, but really what would that buy me at this point. Bit frustrating.
This is why I left most of the internet and just post here.
SRAM simply out-shimano-ed Shimano, and now they have released AXS, which one-ups them again, getting rid of cables/wires.
Shimano seems to have dropped di mountain, wonder if it will return.
$450 cassette wears out, I can choke on that, $500 derailleur breaks cause I clipped a rock on my first ride I will be really unhappy.
The only thing worth a Nelson Muntz is all the hysterics and teeth gnashing over Shimano doing literally the exact same thing SRAM did. How quickly people forget.
And regarding waiting 4 years to "catch up", maybe it's just me, but that's the same amount of time it took SRAM to catch up to Shimano with an electronic mtb grouppo. Who's really playing catch up?
Fanbois will be fanbois I guess
Nah, I don't have a vested interest in either brand. Just pointing out the silliness of being surprised that one company isn't licensing tech from another company, and being angry that they did literally the exact same thing when introducing a new driver. Do you guys really not remember? People lost their shit when xD was introduced.
Yup, it's Google/Apple all over again, walled gardens all over the place...
Eh I wouldn't go that far. Give it a year or two and the majority of hub makers will have microspline options. Just like what happened with xD. This is a road we've been down before.
Yup, but it is road nobody needed to be on.
I take the dirt road whenever possible.
You people would bitch if nobody updated there current offerings, bitch when they change.
So would I.