FEMA's a joke. A friend of mine I work with who's father in law is an upper management type in FEMA has said with respect to the situation in NO, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.Changleen said:
Opinions on the hurricane relief effort
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I swear Brown is as dumb as a stump
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168269,00.html
There are some quotes from the mayor ripping on everyone. Which at this point seems to be the only thing he can do.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168269,00.html
Why even bother saying that? He might as well told them "Suck it up Princess." Its too blanket a statement and going to do nothing but piss people off. Cut the bold off and list this is what we are doing and shut the hell up.
There are some quotes from the mayor ripping on everyone. Which at this point seems to be the only thing he can do.
DRB said:
I agree... Brown needs to be sacked now!
The mayor of New Orleans is equally inept as well... cracks me up that everyone wants to blame Bush for this when New Orleans is a democrat run city and has been for decades.
Democrats have always used New Orleans to get their canidates elected by promising the city's poor all kinds of things and not delivering on any of it if they voted for their canidate.
ANY mayor would be completely outgunned by this situation. He is completely dependent on outside help, which he is not getting.N8 said:
DRB said:
The whole situation is a mess. It's a huge freeking debacle that's for sure.
There was NO PLAN for this situation even though everyone knew it was a real possibility. That's the part that amazes me. Various people have been sounding the alarm that this was going to happen for the last 40+ years and yet NO ONE within the city/state governement too heed. There was no drills, no evacuation plan, no post hurricane relief plan, NOTHING!
BeerDemon said:
Army Corps projects that if funded last year would be completed 10 years from now..??? Those projects?
Didn't say it would have averted disaster. But you are Mr. "someone should have done something". There was at least some work going on before Shrub has to cut the funds to fun Operation "**** up the entire world to line the pockets of my oil buddies".N8 said:
Yes, the Mayor of NO has been outgunned, and yes, FEMA seems to have been slow to react, but they ARE reacting. What I would like to know is what the Governor of Loisiana has been doing this whole time? I mean, they are in charge of their state. Granted, the Federal Government will always step in to react to major emergencies, but the first line of defense is the local and state government.
What I see is an completely inept Mayor and Governor of New Orleans and the state of Loisiana.
Don't they have their own National Guard? Don't they have the muster to plan ahead as a state that inevitably WILL be hit by hurricaines? Don't they have the gumption to actually plan for these kinds of things and providing relief to their own citizens?
Though FEMA is supposed to react to situations like this (and they did), there's absolutely NO WAY that the Federal Government can possibly react as quickly as the local and state governments SHOULD REACT.
This entire situation is heartbreaking, but I feel the initial response (2-3 days) should ALWAYS be the responsibility of the local, state and nearby state governments because FEMA won't be there for at least 5-7 days. It's just impossible for them to get their butts in gear that quickly. I will say that FEMA does need to be able to react faster, but I stand by my belief that the governor of Loisiana and surrounding states are the most at fault for the lack of efforts in the first few days after this terrible tragedy.
The state of Loisiana should have their own 24-48 hour emeregency relief plans in place at all times because it was only a matter of time that something like this would happen.
What I see is an completely inept Mayor and Governor of New Orleans and the state of Loisiana.
Don't they have their own National Guard? Don't they have the muster to plan ahead as a state that inevitably WILL be hit by hurricaines? Don't they have the gumption to actually plan for these kinds of things and providing relief to their own citizens?
Though FEMA is supposed to react to situations like this (and they did), there's absolutely NO WAY that the Federal Government can possibly react as quickly as the local and state governments SHOULD REACT.
This entire situation is heartbreaking, but I feel the initial response (2-3 days) should ALWAYS be the responsibility of the local, state and nearby state governments because FEMA won't be there for at least 5-7 days. It's just impossible for them to get their butts in gear that quickly. I will say that FEMA does need to be able to react faster, but I stand by my belief that the governor of Loisiana and surrounding states are the most at fault for the lack of efforts in the first few days after this terrible tragedy.
The state of Loisiana should have their own 24-48 hour emeregency relief plans in place at all times because it was only a matter of time that something like this would happen.
powderboy said:
It's so much easier, trendy and doesn't take a brain to 'blame Bush' though..
I just listened the the Mayor Interview that everyone is citing. It is available streaming on CNN. Pretty freaking heartbreaking.
Bush is already backpedaling and saying they have not done enough.
He was busy talking to his money buds about who gets the contracts to rebuild.
He was busy talking to his money buds about who gets the contracts to rebuild.
There are several major metro areas outside of New Orleans that could've provided direct relief... why does the relief have to come from DC when it could come from Houston, Baton Rouge or other metro areas with plenty of resources to help? I mean, Baton Rouge is big enough with enough people and resources that they should have been called on to help out at the drop of a hat.BeerDemon said:
Do the people from Baton Rouge and New Orleans hate each other or something? I don't get it.
It was so nice of Shrub to end his vacation early and fly out to Orleans a couple days later. For cripes sake, what happened to getting the lead out and busting ass to get something done? I wonder if Shrub sat there dumbfounded for an hour when told the city was in trouble like he did during 9/11.Squeak said:Bush is already backpedaling and saying they have not done enough.
He was busy talking to his money buds about who gets the contracts to rebuild.
Oh yea, not to play a race card here but...
What if the people stranded at the Superdome were rich white folks instead of a majority of minority and elderly?
They would have had 100 blackhawks there the next day droppin supplies and giving rides. Guarenteed.
What if the people stranded at the Superdome were rich white folks instead of a majority of minority and elderly?
They would have had 100 blackhawks there the next day droppin supplies and giving rides. Guarenteed.
Exactly what resources are you talking about that these other metro areas have, that they didn't already provided.powderboy said:
This thing was so big it was only the federal government that had the resources to even get started with it.
What are you? Minister of propaganda???N8 said:
The issue of the poor and black community has nothing to do with democrats or republicans, but a much more complex social issue that I don't think anyone can can really grasp.
There were steps taken to prevent what had happen. I remember hearing something about a leevy system, water pumps, madatory evecuation, and the use of the Superdome as an emergency shelter. For a city with no written contingency plan I think that is a hell of a commendable job. Do you really think that in a city with so many people below the poverty line that you could realistically construct a plan of action that could be rehearsed or work notably better?
How can you post about how people are ignoring the good things that we are doing in Iraq, but when it comes to this RELIEF EFFORT (yes that is what the subject is if you may have forgotten) you post about completely different subjects, the past, democrats (which I'm not), and about everything else except the federal government.
powderboy said:
What was Baton Rouge going to do? They do not have fleets of Helicopters, or Armed Gaurdsmen to protect drop shipments of food water, or protect anything if they ran in there with school buses.
This is a huge undertaking.
Baton Rouge's population has doubled and it is largly with out any electricity there....powderboy said:
No contegency plan? Where did you see that?Inclag said:
You're probably right... I don't know the area at all, but it seems outright childish that there is no contingency plan in place by a state in direct line of fire from major hurricaines. It is overwhelming to think of a city the size of New Orleans completely destroyed, but the majority of the people left the city. There's only what, a hundred thousand people in the city, max at the time of the hurricaine?BeerDemon said:
With no bridges, no roads and no way to get them out, I'd think that the Loisiana National Guard should have some Chinook helicopters to drop supplies to the Superdome in a matter of a day. I think the shame falls on Loisiana AND the national government, but it's not all Bush's fault like everyone feels so inclined to believe.
States have their own autonomy and are in charge of their own first response emergency plans.
DRB said:
There has been a lot of discussion on local Louisiana press about this... no plan
Looks like things ARE crowded in Baton Rouge, but they do have food, water and people to help out in a pinch:
http://2theadvocate.com/stories/090205/new_rumors001.shtml
http://2theadvocate.com/stories/090205/new_growth001.shtml
Pretty sad that local businesses are worried about having 5000 people housed nearby. Pretty insensitive considering the situation. :\
http://2theadvocate.com/stories/090205/new_rumors001.shtml
http://2theadvocate.com/stories/090205/new_growth001.shtml
Pretty sad that local businesses are worried about having 5000 people housed nearby. Pretty insensitive considering the situation. :\
I think that goes without saying mate. But on the plus side it gives reporters the oppurtunity to use fatuous sound-bites like "like the streets of Somalia" and "scenes reminiscent of the 3rd World"Squeak said:
A friend just forwarded me a transcript from a PBS program that interviewed a Hurricaine expert about the inevitability of this type of storm to hit NO. This was in 2002:
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_neworleans.html
Sad to see his predictions come true...
The big bummer is that I'm sure that they have had many contingency plans presented to save New Orleans in case of an emergency like this one, but I'm sure, like any state government, the environmentalists stepped in, then the ACLU stepped in, then the "save the dodo" people stepped in, created a boondogle, wasted tax money and then nothing happened. That's just a guess, but if the LA state gov't is anything like every other state gov't in the US, then I'm sure it's a fair assesment of what may have happened.
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_neworleans.html
Sad to see his predictions come true...
The big bummer is that I'm sure that they have had many contingency plans presented to save New Orleans in case of an emergency like this one, but I'm sure, like any state government, the environmentalists stepped in, then the ACLU stepped in, then the "save the dodo" people stepped in, created a boondogle, wasted tax money and then nothing happened. That's just a guess, but if the LA state gov't is anything like every other state gov't in the US, then I'm sure it's a fair assesment of what may have happened.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html
He just keeps getting better. Seriously read the whole thing.
He just keeps getting better. Seriously read the whole thing.
He didn't see the body in the wheelchair and the corpse rolled up in a sheet outside the convention center? That's ood, because that was the only thing I saw on CNN yesterday more often than Brown jerking off over what a good job he's doing...DRB said:
DRB said:
Why is that guy still around? He should have been sh!tcanned no later than Wed.
Several millions, but well worth it to save human lives. Well worth it!D_D said:
No plan is a plan for what we are seeing right now. If one life is saved, all those millions would be well spent I say.
This is the guy who needs be be incharge...
Good ****ing god. I couldn't read the whole thing. Every quote from that man makes me want to vomit.DRB said:
Usually in an urgent situation, someone steps in to act as leader, be the champion, whether it's their official position or not because they can't sit by and watch... where is that person right now? The complete vacuum of leadership up and down the chain of our government has never been so apparent.
I hope his actions speak louder than his words. If I see one more quote about it's not our fault, or grand but general phrases about us "getting through this" I'm putting a chair through a window. I don't care how or why we got here. We'll let the historians and the politicians fight over that later. Tell us exactly how you're going to fix the problem and then GO ****ING DO IT.N8 said:This is the guy who needs be be incharge...
He is the guy the Mayor was saying is badass.N8 said:This is the guy who needs be be incharge...