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Oregon Governor to pull State Climatologist title.

jimmydean

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Global warming debate spurs Ore. title tiff

In the face of evidence agreed upon by hundreds of climate scientists, George Taylor holds firm. He does not believe human activities are the main cause of global climate change.

Taylor also holds a unique title: State Climatologist.

Hundreds of scientists last Friday issued the strongest warning yet on global warming saying humans are "very likely" the cause.

“Most of the climate changes we have seen up until now have been a result of natural variations,” Taylor asserts.

Taylor has held the title of "state climatologist" since 1991 when the legislature created a state climate office at OSU The university created the job title, not the state.

His opinions conflict not only with many other scientists, but with the state of Oregon's policies.

So the governor wants to take that title from Taylor and make it a position that he would appoint.

In an exclusive interview with KGW-TV, Governor Ted Kulongoski confirmed he wants to take that title from Taylor. The governor said Taylor's contradictions interfere with the state's stated goals to reduce greenhouse gases, the accepted cause of global warming in the eyes of a vast majority of scientists.

“He is Oregon State University's climatologist. He is not the state of Oregon's climatologist,” Kulongoski said.

Taylor declined to comment on the proposal other than to say he was a "bit shocked" by the news. He recently engaged in a debate at O.M.S.I. and repeated his doubts about accepted science.

In an interview he told KGW, "There are a lot of people saying the bulk of the warming of the last 50 years is due to human activities and I don't believe that's true." He believes natural cycles explain most of the changes the earth has seen.

A bill will be introduced in Salem soon on the matter.

Sen. Brad Avakian, (D) Washington County, is sponsoring the bill. He said global warming is so important to state policy it's important to have a climatologist as a consultant to the governor. He denied this is targeted personally at Taylor. "Absolutely not," Avakian said, "I've never met Mr. Taylor and if he's got opinions I hope he comes to the hearing and testifies."

Kulongoski said the state needs a consistent message on reducing greenhouse gases to combat climate change.

The Governor says, "I just think there has to be somebody that says, 'this is the state position on this.'"
 

$tinkle

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In the face of evidence agreed upon by hundreds of climate scientists, George Taylor holds firm. He does not believe human activities are the main cause of global climate change.
and i agree w/ him: we are not the main cause, but still are a major/significant cause.

not trolling, but honestly asking, is there an accepted, peer reviewed position on whether or not humans are the main cause?

either way, if this debate is reasonably still not resolved, isn't is it rather brash to revoke a title due to what can only be linked to political leanings?
 

jimmydean

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“He is Oregon State University's climatologist. He is not the state of Oregon's climatologist,” Kulongoski said.
The issue is he is the climatologist for OSU, not the State of Oregon. So by issuing his take on things and attaching his title, it looks as if he is speaking for the state, and he's not.
 

$tinkle

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It is. Where'd you stand on the whole Ward Churchill thing?
i seem to recall he was alleged (successfully?) to have fabricated, lied, plagiarized, and hated freedom, thusly being properly de-throned.

recall CU Boulder is a liberal bastion of learning, so it's pretty telling he was axed to step down.
 

Silver

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i seem to recall he was alleged (successfully?) to have fabricated, lied, plagiarized, and hated freedom, thusly being properly de-throned.

recall CU Boulder is a liberal bastion of learning, so it's pretty telling he was axed to step down.
I'm not talking about that part. I'm talking about the political pressure that the governor was putting on the University.

I think we can agree that if Churchill had not written his now infamous essay, he's still be humming along as a professor, right? (Which doesn't speak well for the tenure track at CU Boulder.)
 

$tinkle

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I'm not talking about that part. I'm talking about the political pressure that the governor was putting on the University.

I think we can agree that if Churchill had not written his now infamous essay, he's still be humming along as a professor, right? (Which doesn't speak well for the tenure track at CU Boulder.)
while i can agree that churchill would most likely have lasted quite a bit longer had his essay not received so much unwanted attention (resulting, i remind you, in more paid lectures - yet another ethical conundrum IMO), having the governor chime in from public pressure does not forgive him of his transgressions.

after re-reading the original article, this statement troubles me:
Hundreds of scientists last Friday issued the strongest warning yet on global warming saying humans are "very likely" the cause.
so, these scientists believe there is one cause ("the cause"), and that we humans are "very likely" to be that cause.

did one of these other RM global war on climate threads cite this group statement by these scientists?
how many scientists can speak w/ authority on this topic?
 

Munster

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while i can agree that churchill would most likely have lasted quite a bit longer had his essay not received so much unwanted attention (resulting, i remind you, in more paid lectures - yet another ethical conundrum IMO), having the governor chime in from public pressure does not forgive him of his transgressions.

after re-reading the original article, this statement troubles me:so, these scientists believe there is one cause ("the cause"), and that we humans are "very likely" to be that cause.

did one of these other RM global war on climate threads cite this group statement by these scientists?
how many scientists can speak w/ authority on this topic?
It was widely reported last week. And it is 2500 scientists.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6321351.stm?ls

See Oppenheimer interview Feb 2:
http://www.charlierose.com/
 

$tinkle

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It was widely reported last week. And it is 2500 scientists.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6321351.stm?ls
beeb article said this:
Global climate change is "very likely" to have a human cause, an influential group of scientists has concluded.
compared with this thread's article
Hundreds of scientists last Friday issued the strongest warning yet on global warming saying humans are "very likely" the cause.
so, i should go home tonight & tell my wife she is "a" love of my life, which is the same as "the" love of my life.

how does this crap pass off as journalism?
 

Silver

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having the governor chime in from public pressure does not forgive him of his transgressions.
I'm not saying it should have. I'm saying that I'm uncomfortable when politicians act the demagogue with Universities. And that includes this case. This should have nothing to do with the State Legislature. At all.
 

$tinkle

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This thread isn't about global warming, it's about fraud.
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Silver said:
I'm not saying it should have. I'm saying that I'm uncomfortable when politicians act the demagogue with Universities. And that includes this case. This should have nothing to do with the State Legislature. At all.
some sort of separation of education & state? no, i don't really think you intended that. but consider that universities are heavily state/federal funded, and you begin to see that gov't deserves to have some say in the university system.

no matter: this has been long tackled, but apparently still needs some minor adjustment.
 

Silver

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?some sort of separation of education & state? no, i don't really think you intended that. but consider that universities are heavily state/federal funded, and you begin to see that gov't deserves to have some say in the university system.
Yeah, but the problem is going to be that depending on who is in power at the moment, you're going to have fights on professors all the time. This is just a small step down that road, and it's not needed.
 

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after re-reading the original article, this statement troubles me:so, these scientists believe there is one cause ("the cause"), and that we humans are "very likely" to be that cause.

did one of these other RM global war on climate threads cite this group statement by these scientists?
how many scientists can speak w/ authority on this topic?
A well known phenomena when the media meets a scientist is that the media will usually get something wrong. They will generally state something imprecisely which will lead to problems like the one you are having now. The beeb article is more precise and more accurate.
 

Old Man G Funk

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This thread isn't about global warming, it's about fraud.
Taylor has held the title of "state climatologist" since 1991 when the legislature created a state climate office at OSU The university created the job title, not the state.
The school should rename the job title and this clown should stop using it. It's certainly a misrepresentation since he does not actually speak for the state.
 

$tinkle

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The school should rename the job title and this clown should stop using it. It's certainly a misrepresentation since he does not actually speak for the state.
when i was first hired on my project 6 years ago, i was given the title "Lead Engineer".

so happens i was the only engineer, and have yet to stop using that title.