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OT but interesting non the less..Michelin Future tire innovation

Acadian

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Today at the Detroit Auto Show Michelin showcased a potential future for mobility, an integrated tire and wheel combination missing one ingredient that is vital for traditional tire performance... air. The company unveiled the first real-world fitments for its revolutionary “Tweel” – which operates entirely without air.

“Major revolutions in mobility may come along only once in a hundred years,” said Terry Gettys, president of Michelin Americas Research and Development Center in Greenville, S.C. “But a new century has dawned and Tweel has proven its potential to transform mobility. Tweel enables us to reach levels of performance that quite simply aren’t possible with today’s conventional pneumatic technology.”

Michelin’s Tweel is in production and available as an enhancement for future iBOT™ mobility systems. Invented by Dean Kamen, the iBOT™ mobility device has the ability to climb stairs and navigate uneven terrain, offering mobility freedom impossible with traditional wheelchairs. Additionally, Segway LLC´s Concept Centaur, a prototype that applies self-balancing technology to a four-wheel device, has also been equipped with Tweel to increase its performance potential.

Beyond these first real-world applications, Michelin has additional projects for Tweel on construction skidsteers and a variety of military vehicles. The most intriguing application may be Michelin’s early prototype Tweel fitment for passenger cars. The mobility company released video of promising Tweel performance on an Audi A4.

“The Tweel automotive application, as demonstrated on the Audi, is definitely a concept, a stretch application with strong future potential,” said Gettys. “Our concentration is to enter the market with lower-speed, lower-weight Tweel applications. What we learn from our early successes will be applied to Tweel fitments for passenger cars and beyond.”

Benefits of Tweel™:

The heart of Tweel innovation is its deceptively simple looking hub and spoke design that replaces the need for air pressure while delivering performance previously only available from pneumatic tires. The flexible spokes are fused with a flexible wheel that deforms to absorb shock and rebound with unimaginable ease. Without the air needed by conventional tires, Tweel still delivers pneumatic-like performance in weight-carrying capacity, ride comfort, and the ability to “envelope” road hazards.

Michelin has also found that it can tune Tweel performances independently of each other, which is a significant change from conventional tires. This means that vertical stiffness (which primarily affects ride comfort) and lateral stiffness (which affects handling and cornering) can both be optimized, pushing the performance envelope in these applications and enabling new performances not possible for current inflated tires. The Tweel prototype, demonstrated on the Audi A4, is within five percent of the rolling resistance and mass levels of current pneumatic tires. That translates to within one percent of the fuel economy of the OE fitment. Additionally, Michelin has increased the lateral stiffness by a factor of five, making the prototype unusually responsive in its handling.

Future of Tweel™ Technology:

For Michelin, Tweel is a long-term vision that represents the next step in a long path of industry-changing innovations. Fifty years ago, Michelin invented the radial tire and there is no question that radial tire technology will continue as the standard for a long time to come. Michelin continues to advance the performance of the radial tire in areas such as rolling resistance, wear life and grip. In the short-term, the lessons learned from Tweel research are being applied to improve those conventional tire performances. In the future, Tweel may reinvent the way that vehicles move. Checking tire pressure, fixing flats, highway blow-outs and balancing between traction and comfort could all fade into memory.

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bizutch

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Dec 11, 2001
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OK. My 4x4 Blazer just screamed in the window that it wants on the waiting list for a set of Mudders!!!!

Now that is technology. Real, honest to goodness, future changing technology!!!
I don't even care about that coming to bikes because it is so far away, but my truck is screaming for a set!!!!!
 

Smelly

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Jun 17, 2004
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way cool. that's some serious innovation right there. just imagine NEVER having a flat tire again! maybe i'm a nerd, but that's a really exciting thought to me.

the downside i see is that pneumatic tires can have variable pressure. how will they do that with the tweel? and, how is the tread is replaced when it's worn :think: still a pretty sweet invention
 

clancy98

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Dec 6, 2004
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THIS technology or solid tires? I've never seen a bobcat with anything like that on it.
 

zedro

Turbo Monkey
Sep 14, 2001
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clancy98 said:
THIS technology or solid tires? I've never seen a bobcat with anything like that on it.
neither have i. Although i saw video of the tech being used on one on a science show last night.

Plus the new rubber tank track system CAT uses kicks ass....the wheeled ones are useless on anything not packed down.
 

zedro

Turbo Monkey
Sep 14, 2001
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Jou said:
Gonna be a pretty stiff ride, but good idea.
actually from the footage i saw the wheel can be designed to be quite supple. The Bobcat wheels would actually deform around sharp bumps in the terrain. I think getting this suppleness was the key, unlike solid tires. Those 'spokes' in action looked like rubber themselves, buckling over under load.

The main problems they were facing with passenger vehicles was vibrations (i guess being transfered through the spokes, or caused by them) and road noise.
 

jon-boy

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May 26, 2004
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Interesting. I wonder if they are making the tyre suit current car suspension geometry or if the car manufacturers will look at what the tyre and suspension geometry could do together?

I'm sure different 'pressures' could be built into the tweel by adding or removing material.
 

jon-boy

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May 26, 2004
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The thing is though wouldn't that increase costs and the number of tweels needed for a number of models?
Right now you can have one tyre size and use it on a number of vehicles with different pressures...... and on different style wheels.
{Goes away scratching head}......
 

zedro

Turbo Monkey
Sep 14, 2001
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jon-boy said:
The thing is though wouldn't that increase costs and the number of tweels needed for a number of models?
Right now you can have one tyre size and use it on a number of vehicles with different pressures...... and on different style wheels.
{Goes away scratching head}......
but really, how much do manufacturers vary pressures? how many people actually run the correct pressure? maybe cars will hover before this thing becomes viable for that market anyways...

but no ones said: what will happen to the 'mag' market?
 

bizutch

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Dec 11, 2001
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you're not allowed to turn this into a techno-speak thread Dave....straight up ghetto pimp speak on this one.

Incidentally, my boss just shat a brick and wanted to know how much when he saw the Audi wheels. He was ready to drop $3000 this week for his BMW 5 series this week!
 

Gex

Turbo Monkey
Oct 29, 2004
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Umm can we say good bye to the spike strip. Ill take a set on a Corvette... Then have some fun on the highway driving by the state patrol.
 

zedro

Turbo Monkey
Sep 14, 2001
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kidwoo said:
.......as the "spokes" rip apart? :blah:
heh, they were interviewing the head designer for this product from Michelin and he kept saying how he felt a responsibility to end flats everytime he saw a poor soul changing a tire at the side of the road. So then i'm thinking instead these wheels will during failiure either 1) loose part of the tread creating cyclical chaos, 2) loose the whole tread, so now your on a tractionless carbon cylinder, or 3) completly disintagrate. Considering how good tires are these days, i cant see them, uhh...re-inventing the wheel as far as reliability. The other apps looked really good tho.
 

bizutch

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I'd like to be an engineer at the Michelin plant. Drive the Audi down the street and tell the attendant at the tire store you have a hole that needs to be patched and you just want to drop it off and pick it up in an hour....then go across the street and film the monkeys playing with their new toy.
 

ChrisRobin

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Jan 30, 2002
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I saw the show on Discovery last night and right away, I thought of bikes. Although if I heard right, the Michelin rep said in 15 years the 'tweel' would be a standard tire on the road.

Addressing the varying pressures: I don't think it would make a difference since the rep said 3 out of 4 cars in the US (or maybe North America) have at least one tire with too high or too low pressure. At least the tweel will make sure all four wheels are even.

I'm sure for bikes they can 'simulate' the 25psi-or so range.
 

buildyourown

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Feb 9, 2004
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Anybody else notice that that Segway has several DH parts on it.
I've seen those in video form but never in a good picture.

The wheels are cool. It would keep people from driving around with under inflated tires.
 

erikkellison

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Jan 28, 2004
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Did it cross anybody's mind that those things might pack up with mud, dirt and rocks when used in off-road applications, and possibly suffer damage when compressed when packed with incompressible debris? Seems like that almost writes off 4x4 and construction applications, and (depending on width) possibly mountain bike applications as well.