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pacifism as explained by john cougar mellencamp

RenegadeRick

98th percentile on my SAT & all I got was this tin
I didn't watch the interview, but I did read the comments. I have never been on a blog quite like that. I loved the posters that said he should shut the hell up and that he should leave the country.
Mellencamp get the hell out this country. You would not be here if if we lost WWII. The only place you would be singing would be a death camp. Who really cares what you have to say anyway. Shut the hell up!
or worse...

Mellanchump should do America a favor and eat a bullet.
I always thought Americans™ believed in freedom of speech, and freedom of thought. I guess I was wrong.

This one has helped me understand why people think that we need to be at war in the middle east:

If you have a disagreement with a reasonable person, then negotiating a reasonable solution is the intelligent, civilized thing to do.

If you have just been attacked by a brutal, ruthless, genocidal maniac who killed 3000 of your brothers and sisters, negotiating is suicide.
But what what brutal, ruthless, genocidal maniac did 9-11? The evidence is far from conclusive.

God forbid Iran gets the atomic bomb. God forbid they manage to get one into the United States. God forbid they detonate that bomb in New York City, because if they do, ten million people are going to die.
God forbid we had some actual border security in the US to prevent such a thing. For some reason, Americans™ feel more secure when their troops are thousands of miles away, instead of at home, defending us.

But if they do, God forbid we ever fight back, right John? Because as long as Mellenbrain’s life isn’t in immediate danger, then there’s no reason to fight, right? Like he said, he’s in favor of *self* defense. All of those people who lost their life on 9/11, well, they ain’t worth going to war over.
Who are we at war with? What did Iraq have to do with 9-11? Nothing. Bush said so himself.

I think John should get his butt over to Iraq pronto, and ‘negotiate’ with some IED’s. I’m sure they’ll listen.
...and more suggestions of harm for someone stating their opinions. I must learn to embrace this new American™ style of freedom.
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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I didn't watch the interview, but I did read the comments.
plz go back & watch in the interview
I always thought Americans™ believed in freedom of speech, and freedom of thought. I guess I was wrong.
what, are you serious? you think wingnuts have cornered the market on partisan vitriol?
But what what brutal, ruthless, genocidal maniac did 9-11? The evidence is far from conclusive.
i'll see your loose change & raise you one
God forbid we had some actual border security in the US to prevent such a thing.
you ever seen any stretch of inland maine? simply intractable in its current physical state. isreal has figured out - at a very hi cost - how to properly protect borders from terrorists
For some reason, Americans™ feel more secure when their troops are thousands of miles away, instead of at home, defending us.
like we did on a late summer tuesday morning 5.5 yrs back?
Who are we at war with? What did Iraq have to do with 9-11? Nothing. Bush said so himself.
ideology. our is "better".
repeat if in doubt.
...and more suggestions of harm for someone stating their opinions. I must learn to embrace this new American™ style of freedom.
you must make a point to find out the comparisons of right- vs. left-leaning speakers on college campuses & how they are distinctly received.
 

RenegadeRick

98th percentile on my SAT & all I got was this tin
Here is what I think. If you must use ad-hominems to make your point, it is likely because you lack evidence. The initial site is full of 'em.

i'll see your loose change & raise you one
I am not a believer in everything LC has to say. I have been on SLC before, and I did not find many of the arguments compelling. I took another look and felt the same way.

Here is the deal. Each claim and counterclaim must be examined independently based upon all the available evidence. There we will find the truth.

Unfortunately, most Americans™ are far too busy driving their Hummers to pick up Starbucks to be bothered with such esoterics as "truth" and "evidence." It is far easier to just tell folks to "shut the hell up." :disgust1:
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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Unfortunately, most Americans™ are far too busy driving their Hummers to pick up Starbucks to be bothered with such esoterics as "truth" and "evidence." It is far easier to just tell folks to "shut the hell up." :disgust1:
you mean like the subject of this thread & his ilk? [man, you had to see that one coming]
 

RenegadeRick

98th percentile on my SAT & all I got was this tin
you mean like the subject of this thread & his ilk? [man, you had to see that one coming]
I did, but I tempered my language with the qualifier "most." This means that I understand that not everyone does this.

Additionally, is mentioning Hummer driving and Starbucks drinking an ad hominem attack? I thought it was a symbol of American™ pride.



I'll try and watch the interview when I get home.
 

dhbuilder

jingoistic xenophobe
Aug 10, 2005
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I didn't watch the interview, but I did read the comments. I have never been on a blog quite like that. I loved the posters that said he should shut the hell up and that he should leave the country.


or worse...


I always thought Americans™ believed in freedom of speech, and freedom of thought. I guess I was wrong.

This one has helped me understand why people think that we need to be at war in the middle east:



But what what brutal, ruthless, genocidal maniac did 9-11? The evidence is far from conclusive.


God forbid we had some actual border security in the US to prevent such a thing. For some reason, Americans™ feel more secure when their troops are thousands of miles away, instead of at home, defending us.


Who are we at war with? What did Iraq have to do with 9-11? Nothing. Bush said so himself.


...and more suggestions of harm for someone stating their opinions. I must learn to embrace this new American™ style of freedom.
what are ya supposed to do when you're attacked by a car full of bachelorpartying chiorboys in n.y.c. at 2a.m. ?

pacifism ?
i think not.
 

RenegadeRick

98th percentile on my SAT & all I got was this tin
Hey, so I am watching this thing now, and the host keeps deliberately avoiding the Iraq issue.

When finally pushed Mellencamp said that even what happened in Afghanistan was wrong. He said that he did not think that we had exhausted all diplomatic options, and I tend to agree. However, Afghanistan was believed to be harboring Osama, and I can limitedly support the Afghan invasion.

Iraq is a totally different story, and the host made it clear that he thought it was too. Most people today know that we went into Iraq based on lies.

I found Mellencamp to be honest when he said that he didn't know the truth about JFK. I respect that.

He said that he is not a pacifist. He said that he is all for defending himself when there is no other choice. I support this position 100%. Iraq is even worse... it is a war of aggression. A war of choice.

God bless America™. May God have mercy on our souls.