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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5987004&page=1

Jesus. The media needs to stop being a bunch of whiney cvntbags and call the Republican party on this sh!t...I know racism has been a cornerstone of their campaign strategies for the past 30 years, but that doesn't mean it's okay, especially now. It's two thousand fvcking eight, someone tell the boomers, rednecks, and old fvckers their worthless generation is irrelevant and to GET OUT OF THE FVCKING WAY.

 

[Defenestrated]

I couldn't believe that they kept going after someone yelled "kill him" at a rally...

 

[X3pilot]

Won't find those types of folks at a Bob Barr rally, I bet.

 

[$tinkle]

I know racism has been a cornerstone of their campaign strategies for the past 30 years, but that doesn't mean it's okay, especially now. It's two thousand fvcking eight, someone tell the boomers, rednecks, and old fvckers their worthless generation is irrelevant and to GET OUT OF THE FVCKING WAY.

putting your own ageism & classism aside, you do realize a main plank of the democratic platform is that blacks can't do anything w/o the help of white liberals.

right???

and how would you measure this cute little vignette against the backdrop of this thread?

next, explain to me why as much as 90% of voting blacks in the dem primaries voted for obama instead of hillary? either they're racist, or sexist.

 

[BurlyShirley]

ageism

hehehe

 

[Defenestrated]

putting your own ageism & classism aside, you do realize a main plank of the democratic platform is that blacks can't do anything w/o the help of white liberals.

next, explain to me why as much as 90% of voting blacks in the dem primaries voted for obama instead of hillary? either they're racist, or sexist.

1. No, no it isn't. A main plank of the Democratic platform is that minorities "happen" to be prevailent in the lowest classes of American society because they are victims of socio-economic entrapment, which is unjust regardless of the color of the person whom it effects.

What you wrote makes a noble and humanistic cause sound like deceptively patronizing and malicious use of authority.

2. Yeah, they may very well be racist, I can't speak for them. I hope they didn't vote "just because" he was black but it certainly feels that way.

 

[X3pilot]

2. Yeah, they may very well be racist, I can't speak for them. I hope they didn't vote "just because" he was black but it certainly feels that way.

I've heard the argument of this put as if a white doesn't vote for him because he's black, doesn't that assume that a black voting for him because he's black is racist as well.

To me, it's simple stupidity based on voting for someone based solely on what color they are.

 

[Defenestrated]

However if you think about it, the greatest example of racism is that the institution of slavery was ended 143 years ago, and non-white voting rights were reaffirmed 138 years ago, but only now is a non-white person within realistic reach of the white house...

 

[N8 v2.0]

However if you think about it, the greatest example of racism is that the institution of slavery was ended 143 years ago, and non-white voting rights were reaffirmed 138 years ago, but only now is a non-white person within realistic reach of the white house...

what do you mean 'non-white'??

he's at least 50% white.. and has very little in common with real non-white people in this country

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

I wonder what Clayton Bigsby would say ?

 

[Defenestrated]

what do you mean 'non-white'??

he's at least 50% white.. and has very little in common with real non-white people in this country

Good point, so I guess we more racist than I insinuated...seeing as the first person who isn't 100% white has to be a little white to even be considered as a choice.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Good point, so I guess we more racist than I insinuated...seeing as the first person who isn't 100% white has to be a little white to even be considered as a choice.

donno bout that.. President James Buchanan might have had a lil sumthin in him..

 

[X3pilot]

However if you think about it, the greatest example of racism is that the institution of slavery was ended 143 years ago, and non-white voting rights were reaffirmed 138 years ago, but only now is a non-white person within realistic reach of the white house...

And what disturbs me most is the 180 degrees both major political parties have taken concerning their philosophies, considering the Republican party ended slavery....

 

[Defenestrated]

Yeah, 150 years ago the South was a Democratic stronghold (much as it is for Republicans today) and the North was Republican.

Weird how that happens hahaha...

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

Yeah, 150 years ago the South was a Democratic stronghold (much as it is for Republicans today) and the North was Republican.

Weird how that happens hahaha...

Damn flip-floppers.

 

[$tinkle]

What you wrote makes a noble and humanistic cause sound like deceptively patronizing and malicious use of authority.

so if the man isn't keeping them down, then who is? you wouldn't dare stoop to suggest that by & large people are a product of their choices, would you?

Damn flip-floppers.

so they did go back?

 

[sanjuro]

putting your own ageism & classism aside, you do realize a main plank of the democratic platform is that blacks can't do anything w/o the help of white liberals.

right???

next, explain to me why as much as 90% of voting blacks in the dem primaries voted for obama instead of hillary? either they're racist, or sexist.

My turn.

I rarely come across people who complain about how minorities, particularly blacks, are either racist, or have some inherent advantage because they are minorities.

I want to thank you, because for every asinine, baiting, upsetting comment I make, I usually have to apologize to someone for being so obnoxious. But I won't need to make any apologies about what I am going to write.

I am sure 99% of registered African-Americans are going to vote for Obama, and I am pretty sure most of them are doing so simply because Obama is black.

Is that racist? MINORITIES CAN'T BE RACIST!!!!!!!!!

Def: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

I can give you a hundred stories about how I have been treated worse, been made to feel worse, because I am Chinese-American, and I still would never, ever compare my life to any African-American of any social or economic standing.

I like making jokes about being part of a superior race, but the truth is I am two generations from the family laundry and the restaurant, the only businesses that Chinese families could own. And if I was Japanese, it would be the internment camp.

Is a black man going to represent blacks better than a Republican from Arizona (remember Evan Mecham)? Of course.

Is a white man going to represent white people better? Define white people for me. Is a Boston Irish-American the same as a Midwest farmer, a Wisconsin cheesehead, a Southern redneck, a Seattle grunge kid? And Obama is half white!

Given the lack of African-American political representation historically (and currently Obama is the only black Senator), given that we are two generations from murdering registration workers (remember Mississippi Burning?), given the attempts even today to prevent blacks from voting, I think it is great that we might have a black President.

I have been thinking about this recently, that a child of the 80's, I would never have imagined that a black man would become President while I still think of myself as a young person. Obama represents racial equality, that while he might win thanks to the minority vote, ultimately, whites care that little about race that they would elect a black man.

 

[sanjuro]

and how would you measure this cute little vignette against the backdrop of this thread?

P.S. The first thing I thought when I saw that video was the "Stepping" and the history of black fraternities.

Actually, I had to confirm these were not pledges for a black fraternity, although if you watch "School Daze", I doubt any frat would accept as many fat kids.

Unfortunately, people who know nothing about African-American culture might be afraid of paramilitary uniforms and the chants of "Because of Barack Obama, I can become an architect". Pretty incendiary to me.

 

[Defenestrated]

so if the man isn't keeping them down, then who is? you wouldn't dare stoop to suggest that by & large people are a product of their choices, would you?

I think people are products of their environment first and choices second.

This is the point of egalitarianism, everyone is given an equal opportunity to live as they see fit.

If we were to quantify "equal opportunity" I suppose the closest we could get would be economic mobility and among first world nations we rank very low as a society in that respect.

 

[$tinkle]

P.S. The first thing I thought when I saw that video was the "Stepping" and the history of black fraternities.

i've only been to one step show (tuskegee alabama - 1991), and it was pretty incredible. no one hassled the only 3 white guys (me +2) the whole time either. coming from d.c. i expected to get at least a comment

Unfortunately, people who know nothing about African-American culture might be afraid of paramilitary uniforms and the chants of "Because of Barack Obama, I can become an architect". Pretty incendiary to me.

i think even those who know even a little bit about black culture & nationalism (thanks to spike lee) might interpolate that to mean they fully rep dog tags, and by extension all blacks.

if my grandparents were still alive they would be making preparations to live like anne frank

 

[johnbryanpeters]

...you do realize a main plank of the democratic platform is that blacks can't do anything w/o the help of white liberals...

Nice stereotype, but false.

In some forgotten year, this white kid, who had just finished first grade in the Pittsburgh area, happily coexisting with black classmates (and at the time, having no reason to take note of their color), moved to Atlanta.

The overt and absolute racism was a smack in the face. I couldn't sit in the back of a bus to look out the window. My cohorts lectured me on the evil and stupidity of "niggers". The civil war was apparently still in progress. Bigotry exuded out of every pore of just about every local white person I met.

I fail to believe that many of the kids I went to school with changed their attitudes much as they aged, and I believe that the Republican party, in recruiting southern Democrats, was knowingly enlisting a racist cadre and that the agenda of that cadre was pursued actively by the Republican party.

They need to be thrown out.

 

[$tinkle]

i was with you in the first part - and had similar experiences moving from nova to the south - but not sure i'm with you that R's recruited D's. maybe it happened in significant enough numbers; i just don't know. but we see what Acorn is actively doing for the D's today, and it's far from being altruistic.

what i do know is that today the voting numbers in the south are disproportionately partisan when comparing whites to blacks. but apparently, we can't talk about that when the numbers don't support a desired worldview.

it would be interesting to find out what influence newcomers have to the region (e.g., retired whites flocking to florida).

 

[X3pilot]

Sanjuro wrote:

I like making jokes about being part of a superior race, but the truth is I am two generations from the family laundry and the restaurant, the only businesses that Chinese families could own. And if I was Japanese, it would be the internment camp.