[$tinkle]

I would like it if a genius ran the country.

 

[JohnE]

in response to transcend's list: but what has he done in those positions?! anyone can job-hop & claw their way up the corporate ladder.

and is it missed that you obamaphiles are comparing him to the veep position? rather telling.

and if they did go head-to-head she'll still beat him like a runaway slave

Thats not only a bad joke, but pretty offensive. Nicely done!

Comparisons come naturally when people are saying "He/she has plenty of experience compared to him/her".

Have you ever heard her speak? From what I have heard, she sounds like a beauty pageant runner up...

 

[MMike]

Have you ever heard her speak? From what I have heard, she sounds like a beauty pageant runner up...

Because people don't have maps......such as?

 

[vibiker]

Do you have kids by any chance?

Affirmative.

And your point was?



BTW, I think it gets down to the frustration that while those on the left are richer, the good looking women-politicians are on the right side of the aisle.

 

[Transcend]

in response to transcend's list: but what has he done in those positions?! anyone can job-hop & claw their way up the corporate ladder.

and is it missed that you obamaphiles are comparing him to the veep position? rather telling.

and if they did go head-to-head she'll still beat him like a runaway slave

What has he done? Well he certainly wasn't reporting about minor league hockey in Alaska. I'm sure she gained invaluable experience there! You know, while he was at Harvard Law School.

Juris Doctor Law from harvard or BA in journalism and minor in poli sci. from university of Idaho. I happen to know just how useless BAs in either of those fields are. Based on that alone, I would chose Obama.

Also, it was the Republican talking heads who started to compare her to Obama, not anyone else.

 

[X3pilot]

Seriously, if McCrackAss wanted to pander to the Hillary voters and put a more reasonably qualified skirt up for the VP nod, 3 words.


Kay Bailey Hutchinson...

 

[vibiker]

Also, it was the Republican talking heads who started to compare her to Obama, not anyone else.

Well the BO campaign was the first to say that she had no experience. Again, she has a near infinite more EXECUTIVE experience than 2, if not 3, of the other men in this race.

 

[Transcend]

Well the BO campaign was the first to say that she had no experience. Again, she has a near infinite more EXECUTIVE experience than 2, if not 3, of the other men in this race.

Sorry, City Council and mayor of a town with a town hall that looks like the local hotdog stand don't count as executive experience. Neither does being a sports reporter.

It's especially sad when you consider that Wassilla is a suburb of Anchorage, and is part of it's district. The heavy lifting as mayor (snow removal, sanitation etc) is all handled by Anchorage, FYI.

 

[vibiker]

Sorry, City Council and mayor of a town with a town hall that looks like the local hotdog stand don't count as executive experience.

I can't remember where, but I read somewhere that she is actually a governor of one of our 57, err, 50 states.

Yes, only for a year and a half. BTW, any number times zero, is still zero.

 

[PIN'D]

Frighteningly enough, I think it would be a mistake for the Dems to underestimate Palin and the effect should could potentially have on the election (on-the-fence voters).

I would hope that people won't consider the fact that she's a woman as some sort of "credential", and look at her gross lack of political and international experience...I mean, seriously gross lack of experience...good christ.

 

[vibiker]

...I mean, seriously gross lack of experience...good christ.

Again, compared to who? Barry?

 

[Transcend]

I can't remember where, but I read somewhere that she is actually a governor of one of our 57, err, 50 states.

Yes, only for a year and a half. BTW, any number times zero, is still zero.

Governor of a state SWIMMING in money from both federal earmarks and oil. Lots of oil. So much so that the FPD was $3000/capita.

Right, governor for 18 months. Who has left the country exactly once, in her life. To visit troops in Iraq for a photo op.

vs:

Senator for 4 years with vast foreign relations experience
Appointed to Senate Committees for Foreign Relations; Environment and Public Works; Veterans' Affairs; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. Becomes chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs.

Please, keep grasping at straws.

 

[$tinkle]

Have you ever heard her speak?

if i said obama was articulate, would that be racist? if it is, then call me joe biden

 

[Transcend]

in response to transcend's list: but what has he done in those positions?!

Oh and to add to this:

The Curtailing Lobbyist Effectiveness through Advance Notification, Updates, and Posting Act (The CLEAN UP Act) (S. 2179)
The bill aims to improve public access to information about all legislation, including conference reports and appropriations legislation, in particular after hurried, end-of-session negotiations. Conference committee meetings and deliberations would have to be open to the public or televised, and conference reports would have to identify changes made to the bill from the House and Senate versions. Finally, no bill could be considered by the full Senate unless the measure has been made available to all Senators and the general public on the Internet for at least 72 hours.

Senator Obama is a cosponsor of the Medicare Informed Choice Act (S. 1841), which would extend enrollment without penalty until the end of 2006. This bill would also allow all Part D beneficiaries to change their plan once during 2006.


He helped draft and introduce the National MEDiC Act (S. 1784), which promotes patient safety initiatives, including early disclosure and compensation to patients injured by medical errors. He also introduced the Hospital Quality Report Card Act (S. 2359), which will use federal hospital quality reporting requirements to inform and assist patients and other consumers in making their health care decisions.

He introduced the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program Efficiency Act (S. 2247), which would leverage the federal government's purchasing power to encourage increased adoption of technology by participating health plans.



Starting in March 2005, he obtained $25 million for international efforts to combat the avian flu and called for an inter-agency task force to immediately address this issue. This funding is now being used to mitigate the effects of the pandemic in Southeast Asia.

Senator Obama introduced the Attacking Viral Influenza Across Nations Act (S. 969), which calls for collaboration and cooperation at the state, national, and international level to ensure preparedness in the event of pandemic influenza. S

Senator Obama also worked to push $7.9 billion through the Senate to help the U.S. prepare for the possibility of an avian flu pandemic.

As a member of the Environment and Public Works Committee, Senator Obama pressured the Environmental Protection Agency to issue long overdue rules for home remodeling and renovation that could prevent 28,000 lead-related illnesses each year, resulting in an annual net economic benefit of more than $4 billion.

In 2005, Senator Obama introduced the Lead Free Toys Act (S. 2048), requiring the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) to ban any children's product containing lead.

He also introduced the Healthy Communities Act (S. 2047) to identify and address problems in communities that are at high risk from environmental contaminants. In addition, recognizing the contribution of housing, parks, trails, roadways, and public transportation to healthy lifestyles, Senator Obama introduced the Healthy Places Act (S. 2506) to assess and support improvements to the built environment.

In August 2006, Senator Obama introduced the Genomics and Personalized Medicine Act of 2006 (S. 3822), which would increase funding for research on genomics, expand the genomics workforce, provide a tax credit for the development of diagnostic tests that can improve the safety or effectiveness of drugs, and reaffirm the need to protect genetic privacy.


Senator Obama is also an original cosponsor of the Home Lead Safety Tax Credit Act (S. 2053), which would provide tax credits to property owners who eliminate or contain paint hazards in homes where low-income young children or women of child-bearing age live.

Senator Obama has been a strong supporter of the Great Lakes Regional Collaboration and is a cosponsor of the Great Lakes Environmental Restoration Act (S. 508).


He is a cosponsor of the Climate Stewardship and Innovation Act (S. 1151), which was introduced by Senators McCain and Lieberman.

Senator Obama introduced two bills - the Mercury Market Minimization Act (S. 3627) and the Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act (S. 3631) . These bills would significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.

Obama introduced S. 2566, which would expand the cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons.


Senator Obama cosponsored the Combat Meth Act (S. 103)


Senator Obama cosponsored Dru's Law (S. 792) which creates a nationwide sex offender database and requires greater monitoring of sex offenders upon their release from prison. The bill passed the Senate on July 28, 2005.

He also cosponsored the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act.


Senator Obama cosponsored extension of Violence Against Women Act (S. 1197), which passed the Senate on October 4, 2005, and was signed into law.

Senator Obama also joined Senator Durbin in requesting a Government Accountability Office investigation into additional steps that can be taken to protect judges.


Senator Obama played a key role in the crafting of the immigration reform bill that the Senate passed in May 2006. Senator Obama offered three amendments that were included in the Senate bill. The first amendment strengthens the requirement that a job be offered at a prevailing wage to American workers before it is offered to a guestworker. The second amendment makes it simple, but mandatory, for employers to verify that their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States. And the third amendment authorizes $3 million a year for the FBI to improve the speed and accuracy of the background checks required for immigrants seeking to become citizens.


Senator Obama, introduced tough legislation to drastically improve security at our nation's chemical plants. The Chemical Safety and Security Act (S. 2486)

Senator Obama cosponsored and voted for an amendment that would have increased rail and transit security by $1.2 billion. Although that amendment was defeated, Senator Obama remains committed to improving rail and transit security.

Senator Obama introduced legislation to establish a national family locator system for missing persons, a mobile corps of volunteer health professions, and mandatory planning for the emergency evacuation of people with special needs, including low-income individuals, the elderly, and the disabled.

Senator Obama cosponsored the extension of the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act (which became Public Law 109-144).


Senator Obama introduced the Spent Nuclear Fuel Tracking and Accountability Act (S. 1194), which would establish specific and uniform guidelines for tracking, controlling, and accounting for individual spent fuel rods or segments at nuclear power plants, including procedures for conducting physical inventories. These provisions were included in S. 864, which passed the Senate Environment and Public Works (EPW) Committee on June 8, 2005.


Senator Obama drafted an amendment, which was included in the Safe Drinking Water Act, which passed the EPW Committee on July 20, 2005.


Senator Obama has introduced the Innovation Districts for School Improvement Act (S. 2441).

Senator Obama introduced the Summer Term Education Programs for Upward Progress Act (STEP UP) (S. 2149)


Barack Obama's first bill as a U.S. Senator was the HOPE Act (Higher Education Opportunity Through Pell Grant Expansion Act) (S.697),


In September 2006, Senator Obama introduced the Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act (S. 3988)

Senator Obama has been a leader in fighting homelessness among veterans. He authored the Sheltering All Veterans Everywhere Act (SAVE Act) (S. 1180)

In June 2006, Senator Obama introduced the Homes for Heroes Act (S. 3475)


Senator Obama introduced an amendment that became law providing food services to wounded veterans receiving physical therapy or rehabilitation services at military hospitals.

He and Senator Durbin passed an amendment that has become law preventing the VA from conducting a review of cases, without first providing Congress with a complete report regarding the implementation of such review. In November 2005, the VA announced that it was abandoning its planned review.

Senator Obama passed an amendment to ensure that all service members returning from Iraq are properly screened for Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI).


Senator Obama passed an amendment that became law requiring the Department of Defense (DOD) to report to Congress on the delayed development of an electronic medical records system compatible with the VA's electronic medical records system.

In September 2006, Senator Obama introduced the Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act (S. 3988)

 

[ohio]

Well the BO campaign was the first to say that she had no experience. Again, she has a near infinite more EXECUTIVE experience than 2, if not 3, of the other men in this race.

This is the rough equivalent of promoting a highschool science teacher to head the Physics dept at Harvard, claiming that they have more teaching experience than any Ph.Ds coming out of top schools.

Or promoting your waterboy to the offensive line because he has more professional football experience than your draft picks.

Or having the kid down the street with the nifty model airplane in the copilot seat of a packed 747.

I can go on...

 

[MMike]

I can go on...

I wish you would....

 

[DamienC]

The only thing more depressing than Palin's resume for this job is the people who are falling over themselves trying to defend her qualifications.

"What is it exactly that the VP does every day?"

 

[vibiker]

Senator for 4 years with vast foreign relations experience

I guess then the reason he picked Joe Biden as veep is for his good looks.

Becomes chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs.

"He (Obama) chairs the subcommittee on Europe. ... He's held not one substantive hearing to do oversight."
Hillary Clinton on Tuesday, February 26th, 2008 in a debate in Cleveland

Please, keep grasping at straws.

 

[$tinkle]

Right, governor for 18 months. Who has left the country exactly once, in her life.

wat?

Senator for 4 years with vast foreign relations experience
Appointed to Senate Committees for Foreign Relations; Environment and Public Works; Veterans' Affairs; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. Becomes chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs.

Please, keep grasping at straws.

these are very impressive titles.
how has he used these positions to effectively do something?

i've still yet to read where he has related foreignly.

 

[vibiker]

i've still yet to read where he has related foreignly.

Well he did give a speech to a bunch of Germans out for free beer.

 

[$tinkle]

Oh and to add to this: <n8 post>

has yet to make it out of committee. did you think i wouldn't check up on it?

ALL ACTIONS:

1/18/2006:
Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.

This is the rough equivalent of promoting a highschool science teacher to head the Physics dept at Harvard, claiming that they have more teaching experience than any Ph.Ds coming out of top schools.

leave lisa randall out of this!

I can go on...

my turn:
it's like making jim thorpe run whiskey
it's like making usain bolt swim the 400IM

 

[dante]

has yet to make it out of committee. did you think i wouldn't check up on it?leave lisa randall out of this!my turn:
it's like making jim thorpe run whiskey
it's like making usain bolt swim the 400IM

Ummm, what's McCain's record? Zero for 22 bills judging by the site that you posted...

 

[$tinkle]

Ummm, what's McCain's record? Zero for 22 bills judging by the site that you posted...

wat? govtrack sez:

Statistics: John McCain has sponsored 537 bills since Jan 21, 1993, of which 340 haven't made it out of committee and 31 were successfully enacted. McCain has co-sponsored 1230 bills during the same time period.

perhaps you were referring to something else?

of all people, i'd think the first that would come to your mind would be mccain-feingold

 

[X3pilot]

Ummm, what's McCain's record? Zero for 22 bills judging by the site that you posted...

 

[dante]

wat? govtrack sezerhaps you were referring to something else?

of all people, i'd think the first that would come to your mind would be mccain-feingold

sorry, was speaking about the current congress... almost 2 years, and a whopping zero for 22. I could really care less if a Senator named McCain passed bills back in the early 90s, he bares little resemblance to today's candidate.

 

[$tinkle]

let's see if i have this all straight: when comparing parts of either mccain or palin, to all of obama, he comes out even at best.

does anyone here feel good about this?

 

[ridiculous]

so whats up with this baby? Is Palin equivalent to Mrs Spears now?

 

[vibiker]

so whats up with this baby? Is Palin equivalent to Mrs Spears now?

Huh?:huh:

 

[r464]

Bristol Palin's Baby-Daddy Revealed...

 

[ohio]

When your best endorsement is "well you don't DO anything in that job anyway..." you're proper ****ed.

 

[r464]

Yeah, like Dick Cheney did nothing at all for 8 years...

 

[Secret Squirrel]

does anyone here feel good about this?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that interacting with the international community-at-large is a pretty big part of being the top two peeps in the government.

Obama is at least smart enough to do some research about what the hell is going on if he needs to.

Now...I know McCain is well versed in fighting commie-pinko bastards and probably has vivid flashbacks to the glory days.

Ms. Palin? B*tch, please.

We've had our country represented by the absolute worst foreign relations guys for the past 8 years. And now we're gonna get some more?

I really don't want to see the u2b of our VP going to China on a visit and have her regale the prime minister about how driving to hockey games in Alaska has made her a stronger political leader and ally.

At least Biden won't ask what the chopsticks are for...

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Yeah, like Dick Cheney did nothing at all for 8 years...

He could only use one hand most of the time anyway....

 

[vibiker]

Ms. Palin? B*tch, please.

So why are you starting to call her names?

 

[stevew]

let's see if i have this all straight: when comparing parts of either mccain or palin, to all of obama, he comes out even at best.

does anyone here feel good about this?

You should have a hard on.

Just think, the world will like us now.

 

[?????]

A key aspect to Obama's campaign is based on change and how he is not deeply rooted into politics like McCain. Palin outdoes Obama in that.

Obama's mother and Palin's daughter were pregnant at the same age. If any group were to care it would be the conservatives or hypocritical liberals. A true liberal wouldn't force their social values on someone else. If it is a priorities issue, it surely shouldn't be coming from free thinking women's rights supporting democrat. Being VP is just like any other higher position job with responsibilities. Would you also say that women with children are not in a position to own their own company or provide for their family by owning a business?

 

[Transcend]

Pretty sure it isn't about the daughter actually being pregnant. It's about the glaring hypocrisy from the mother. Preach abstinence only in school, family values etc - then your daughter comes home at 17 unwed and pregnant and all of a sudden "life happens".

And you are indeed right that Palin isn't deeply rooted in politics, which is refreshing. however, she also has absolutely none of the experience needed to run the sole remaining superpower and, by extension, the entire free world.

While Obama was at Harvard getting a doctorate in constitutional law, Palin was a sports reporter in Anchorage.

 

[vibiker]

It's about the glaring hypocrisy from the mother. Preach abstinence only in school, family values etc -

So what your definition of hypocrisy? My understanding is that hypocrisy means to ask others to do as you say, not as you do. Kind of what Limousine- Liberals do with regards to the environment. If Mrs. Palin had pushed her child to abort the pregnancy, that would be hypocrisy.

Governor Palin's problem, like all of us now on this earth, is she is not perfect. That also includes her daughter. We are all flawed. Its how you handle your adversity that matters.

 

[bohorec]

And you are indeed right that Palin isn't deeply rooted in politics, which is refreshing. however, she also has absolutely none of the experience needed to run the sole remaining superpower and, by extension, the entire free world.

She would be just a doll, with very limited actual power just like anyone else in that position

And talking about "the sole remaining superpower" is funny, especially with the current global situation in mind.

Ps: what is your definition of the "free" world?

 

[sanjuro]

A key aspect to Obama's campaign is based on change and how he is not deeply rooted into politics like McCain. Palin outdoes Obama in that.

Obama's mother and Palin's daughter were pregnant at the same age. If any group were to care it would be the conservatives or hypocritical liberals. A true liberal wouldn't force their social values on someone else. If it is a priorities issue, it surely shouldn't be coming from free thinking women's rights supporting democrat. Being VP is just like any other higher position job with responsibilities. Would you also say that women with children are not in a position to own their own company or provide for their family by owning a business?

I think you forget something about politics: law.

Everyone here can have an opinion, but to become the executor of our laws, it would be helpful to have a law degree.

I see what happens when you don't: Bush subordinates have been breaking laws during his entire run.