I asked a simple question there fuzzy guy. Only trolls under bridges speak riddles.
Paris Mountain Super D/Enduro Weekend Nov. 17 & 18 2012
- Thread starter eccorp
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i gave you the simplest of answers, i will speak slowly this time: e v e r y t r a i l out there; that is "bike legal" is the course.
Understood. I will rephrase. Is the point of the race to NOT tell us what the starting and ending points of each individual leg are?
If that is the case, then I go in understanding that true locals will have a knowledge advantage of the legs. Those not quite local like myself will be at the same disadvantage (or on equal ground if you prefer) with those who have never ridden there.
Obviously there are locals who know what all the legs are and your sentence means something to them. And as with all races, there will be a group of locals who know exactly the sequence and segments as well, which I have NO issue with.
Just trying to get some morsel of familiarity with how to pace myself on what looks like a really, really long day.
No local racers know what the exact routes are; promise. just Jarret and i know 'em; that said, there will be a handful of volunteers that'll know Tuesday night when we have our volunteer meeting... Those are volunteers helping with the timing and intersection marshaling /course marking.
We decided it's not really fair to the out of State riders by posting up the Stage Routes and having the locals are ripping it up a week before the race.
Can't help you on the pacing it's gonna start with a lemans star run for your bikes with bigass climb (non timed) but there is a couple of cash grabs for the fastest up the hill so it's going to competitive. Stages are first come - first served. riders will leave the stage starts in 1 min intervals. There are two big trail climbs (a couple miles each) and a big 2 mile road climb out (the climbs are not timed)
We decided it's not really fair to the out of State riders by posting up the Stage Routes and having the locals are ripping it up a week before the race.
Can't help you on the pacing it's gonna start with a lemans star run for your bikes with bigass climb (non timed) but there is a couple of cash grabs for the fastest up the hill so it's going to competitive. Stages are first come - first served. riders will leave the stage starts in 1 min intervals. There are two big trail climbs (a couple miles each) and a big 2 mile road climb out (the climbs are not timed)
Yep, no locals know the routes. The only thing we know is they will use every downhill that is out there for the Enduro. With that being said, I like not knowing the full routes and think it will bring an element of suprize to us all. For those of you that are just under or just over an hour away from Paris Mt, you have no reason not to come ride here. Its one of the best trail systems in the South East. Its your own fault not knowing this trail system.
Can't wait for the event next weekend and hanging with great people. Please make sure to thank all the great people that made this event happen. Also the Park Rangers!!!
Cecil
Can't wait for the event next weekend and hanging with great people. Please make sure to thank all the great people that made this event happen. Also the Park Rangers!!!
Cecil
Really bummed I can't be there for this. I feel very lame.
One of the routes was posted earlier in this thread. Which will be the final stage of the Enduro. The others are on the backside of the Mtn.
As for pacing yourself start stroking slowly then give it a couple hard thumps then resume stroking slowly and repeat.
Guys and gals to the north will have the advantage as y'all have more elevation to climb and descend. Loop Greenslick 3 times and you will be fine for the Enduro.
As for pacing yourself start stroking slowly then give it a couple hard thumps then resume stroking slowly and repeat.
Guys and gals to the north will have the advantage as y'all have more elevation to climb and descend. Loop Greenslick 3 times and you will be fine for the Enduro.
Will we be able to pre-ride the stages Saturday(11/17)? I'm over 7hrs out so I'm not coming up to ride the trail system before the event.
I'm not gonna be able to attend the race, but for those who are in the Asheville/Brevard area, I'll echo the fact that if you can do most of the Bent Creek forest trail system, you'll be fine. Nothing too difficult at Paris Mtn, I routinely ride it on my hardtail. Even the descents aren't that bad at all, if you can call them that.
So any word on the total length of the race (including climbs)?
Start is a Lemans start run for the bikes at 1,064ft elevation and the end of the climb to Stage 1 is about 1,700ft. about 3 to 3.5 miles (mostly all trail - a little pavement)
This is a Non-timed Pre Stage; however, There are Cash grabs for the Fastest up the hill
Stage 1 2.19 miles (timed)
don't have profiles on the Non-timed climb outs. the Stage 1 to 2 climb is +/-3.5 to 4 miles; you do the math: you go from 1,192ft elevation to about 1,700ft. then down to 1,500ft. to start Stage 2. (climbout is all trail)
Stage 2 1.44 miles(timed)
the Stage 2 to 3 climb is ~ 4 miles; you go from 1,108ft elevation up to just over 1,700ft. to start Stage 3. (climbout is 2/3 paved road 1/3 trail)
Stage 3 1.73 miles(timed)
the Stage 3 to 4 climbout (non-timed) is ~ 5 miles; you go from 1,192ft elevation up to just about to 1,350ft., then down to 1,108ft., then up to 1,500 ft. (climbout is 1/2 trail 1/2 paved road ) to Stage 4 start.
Stage 4 2.82 miles(timed)
after stage finish, about a 3/4 mile flat road ride back to staging area.
MAP
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3oam8wkijvsqp8f/PM-Trail Map3-9-2012(1).pdf
This is a Non-timed Pre Stage; however, There are Cash grabs for the Fastest up the hill
Stage 1 2.19 miles (timed)
don't have profiles on the Non-timed climb outs. the Stage 1 to 2 climb is +/-3.5 to 4 miles; you do the math: you go from 1,192ft elevation to about 1,700ft. then down to 1,500ft. to start Stage 2. (climbout is all trail)
Stage 2 1.44 miles(timed)
the Stage 2 to 3 climb is ~ 4 miles; you go from 1,108ft elevation up to just over 1,700ft. to start Stage 3. (climbout is 2/3 paved road 1/3 trail)
Stage 3 1.73 miles(timed)
the Stage 3 to 4 climbout (non-timed) is ~ 5 miles; you go from 1,192ft elevation up to just about to 1,350ft., then down to 1,108ft., then up to 1,500 ft. (climbout is 1/2 trail 1/2 paved road ) to Stage 4 start.
Stage 4 2.82 miles(timed)
after stage finish, about a 3/4 mile flat road ride back to staging area.
MAP
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3oam8wkijvsqp8f/PM-Trail Map3-9-2012(1).pdf
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I'm gonna be so bummed when I see the results, but at least I'll have a story to tell.
we're working on that with the park management. Normally Saturday's all the trails are "hiking only", but since we're doing the Super D running on the front end of the park they might as well open the park to bikes. Nothing official yet. Note: If riding in the Super D on Saturday you'll actually be on some of the Enduro course for Sunday.
the problem we have (as organizer's) is we're not in control of the rules of the State Park. They have a No bikes Saturday Rule...they did allow us to use 1 trail for the Super D. we've asked the Park Manager "since we're already having a bike event going on 1 trail on a Saturday can we just open all the trails just this one Saturday? We'll see, as soon a they make a decision we will post it up ASAP
Just register and help support folks that are putting on an awesome event for this area. This region should have an enduro/Super D every weekend.
Prizes!!!! Prizes!!!! Prizes!!!! Its almost race time!
The Fly Racing Gear for prizes showed up yesterday. Lots of nice stuff.
www.flyracing.com
MRP has given 2 Gift Cards for your choice of Chain Guides.
http://www.mountainracingproducts.com/mrp/
Loaded USA has shipped out some goodies and Gift Cards:
www.loadedusa.com
Transition Bikes has given a TransAm 26" frame:
http://www.transitionbikes.com/2013/Bikes_TransAM26.cfm
Smith Optics has given some nice Glasses and gear to give out:
www.smithoptics.com
ODI has once again stepped up with some great prizes too:
http://www.odigrips.com/
Big thanks to all the Sponsors that stepped up to help out!!!
Cecil
The Fly Racing Gear for prizes showed up yesterday. Lots of nice stuff.
www.flyracing.com
MRP has given 2 Gift Cards for your choice of Chain Guides.
http://www.mountainracingproducts.com/mrp/
Loaded USA has shipped out some goodies and Gift Cards:
www.loadedusa.com
Transition Bikes has given a TransAm 26" frame:
http://www.transitionbikes.com/2013/Bikes_TransAM26.cfm
Smith Optics has given some nice Glasses and gear to give out:
www.smithoptics.com
ODI has once again stepped up with some great prizes too:
http://www.odigrips.com/
Big thanks to all the Sponsors that stepped up to help out!!!
Cecil
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Only if you are ninja about it. USA Cycling will not allow it unless you are registered as their insurance covers only race riders. I am all for you to ride but just be stealth about it.
Are you guys saying where the Super D will end? If it is secret that is cool, but if not, I want to know where it starts and ends.
Starting at the road , across from top parking lot>new section of Springs tr. > mountain creek tr. > Shelters A&BAre you guys saying where the Super D will end? If it is secret that is cool, but if not, I want to know where it starts and ends.
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This Event (super D & Enduro) is SOLD OUT thanks to everyone who pre-registered online.
Note: you will have to pay $2 to enter the park and pay and $5 USAC day of license for those not USAC riders.
same applies for Sunday's Enduro there will be a $5 day license fee.
the Alley Cat Friday at Chicora and the Dirt Jam at Sunrift are still open to the public, bring bikes to both events.
Note: you will have to pay $2 to enter the park and pay and $5 USAC day of license for those not USAC riders.
same applies for Sunday's Enduro there will be a $5 day license fee.
the Alley Cat Friday at Chicora and the Dirt Jam at Sunrift are still open to the public, bring bikes to both events.
we tried to work w/ USAC for the Insurance purposes. They wanted an official at the Start and Finish of every stage plus a head official (who's local) ... there was no way we could pay travel expenses and boarding for 8 officials.
so we had to get insurance through another group. that's the day of fee for the Enduro.
so we had to get insurance through another group. that's the day of fee for the Enduro.
Someone want to buy my entry? My blazer just died to the tune of $1k or more. I bought it off Will Murray, so I'm assuming eccorp will allow me to do the same. email bizutch@gmail.com
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Might wanna post up on the Paris Mtn facebook page. Saw a couple people on there wanting to register still.
Email sent
Unfortunately I'm having to cancel going to the race this weekend. So I have three entries for the super D & enduro if someone needs a slot. If interested please email me. bmccmatt@yahoo.com
email sent
FYI, my entry is for both Super D & enduro
I have an Enduro only entry for sale if anyone's looking.
Got a guy here in Asheville that wants it. Whats your cell #?
Cool, thx. 828-two7nine 8twoone8
Just a heads up for you downhillers doing the Super D. The way they have it setup it is more of a XC time trail than a Super D. It was already going to be pedally with a decent amount of uphill, but now they have it starting below the top of the course. So, out of the gate you have a solid minute or so of climbing before you even get to the start of the downhill. Then it finishes with another good climb up to the A and B part instead of finishing at 5 and 6. Time wise, you will spend more times on the ups than the down for sure. XC racers will be sporting a massive chub as soon as they ride the course.
Compared to other Super D races around here like Dark Mtn. and the full Fontana course, this one is going to have at least twice as much uphill, and the DH section while it is really fun is not going to separate us much as anybody can ride down it fast. So pedal hard and grunt and make animal noises.
Compared to other Super D races around here like Dark Mtn. and the full Fontana course, this one is going to have at least twice as much uphill, and the DH section while it is really fun is not going to separate us much as anybody can ride down it fast. So pedal hard and grunt and make animal noises.
Still have my entry for sale. I'll sell it for $50 for both days. If you don't show for the Enduro and only ride the Super D, it won't affect your Super D. 828-338-9125 Call me.