OK, so you are telling me that everyone who kills should be locked up? Regardless of the motivation? Then you better build tons of more prisons for all of the people who have killed in war efforts as well as corporations that indirectly contribute to thousands of deaths a year...oh, but do those not count?
But killing is killing, isn't it? And I'm saying you should know the difference between Leslie Van Houten and Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacy---not in the same category.
I don't understand this part of your argument...
You're a sick, sick man.
That dosen't help.
Soldiers who kill innocent civilians during a war are not viewed this way--why is that?
So you are saying that our government has been established by God, therefore the actions it takes is righteous because God is backing it? So God-->government-->death penalty ok? Is that what you are saying?
If soldiers kill outside the lines of war, then they are tried for murder.
Excuses, excuses. Isn't killing, killing DT? So what about the My Lai Massacre? 300 innocent civilians were gunned down by the 11th Brigade, and yet only 1 person, Lt. William Calley, was convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Hmmmmm, suppose he killed all 300 people? And I'm sure this isn't an isolated thing---but according to you, killing is justified if it is a war effort, regardless because some death "wasn't intended." Sounds like a cop-out to me.
ironically...every German soilder had the choice of walking away from whatever order he felt he could not handle and the commanding officer could not do anything about it. those directly involved in the mass murder of the Jews were most likely recruited, hand picked or volunteers.
Whatever.
But no one else? Why was he made to be the person to brunt all of the blame? Or were the soldiers in his command "just following orders." An innocent dead person is still an innocent dead person, regardless who killed them...but according to you, the Tate-LaBiancas were innocents who shouldn't have been killed, but the 300 civilians at My Lai were mere casualties of the war.
Wow...that really cleared it up for me. That's like me asking my mom when I was seven why I couldn't do something and she would say "Because." "Because why?" I would return. "Because I said so."
Oh, trying to uncover some deep seated psychological meaning? No, merely trying to point out that we as humans are afraid of the wrong things, and condone the wrong things. It's the same reason why I was glad Andrea Yates wasn't sentenced to death--it makes me ill when we are reduced to being on the same level as the killers by wanting to kill them or show them no mercy. We have a double standard, that's all. "Ok, well killing in this situation is okay, but in this situation it isn't." Pretty wishy-washy and self serving if you asked me...
Oh...I get it..."Leslie" was really a boy's name?
Not an insult at all, I truely believe he is a mentally ill person.
Because that is part of the responsibility of command. A commander is ultimately responsible for the conduct of those whith whom he is charged to command. He would have been liable if even one soldier had acted improperly w/o being told to do so. You know full well I am not saying that one innocent life is worth more than another. Don't put words in my mouth. You asked someone else to not do that a couple days ago.
Frusterating isn't it? It always bugged me when my Dad did that too. Especially when, like I am now, he was right.
:love: You can't understand it. I can't explain it in a way that you will. Call it whatever you want. Fear? Yeah. Iam afraid. Afraid of recitivism. If that means we keep all the murderers in jail to prevent 10% of them from killing again than so be it. They are killers I don't feel a great loss to keep a killer in jail as a means of preventing other deaths. Unfair. Probably. So is a lot of stuff. But I think it's a lot more unfair for a mom to loose their child than for a killer to stay in jail.
So the soldiers in the troop were exonerated because the commander was the one to take the blame? Doesn't sound very fair to me...sounds like he was the "fall guy."
Why won't I be able to understand it? Is there some secret knowledge that you have that I don't?
Statistics have consistently shown that out of all the criminals who have been released on parole, murderers have the lowest recidivism...
Look...
But these statistics are compiled by our government...I got them off of the Bureau of Justice Statistics website. Are you telling me that they are wrong just because of your personal experience? I had a professor once who said "Anecdotal evidence is not factual evidence." I'm just spouting what the numbers say, but because of your personal experience, you are able to refute the numbers? Hmmmm, have you told the heads of major government agencies about your abilities? I'm sure they would love to know how your experiences blow all of their research out of the water.
Did you read a thing I wrote before you puked on your keyboard?
Ah....I see. That explains it. a C.O. Got ya.
Well wasn't that Damn True's point? He was concerned that if we release murderers they will kill again?
Where was I talking about his point?
But I was responding to his point about recidivism and then you chimed in...
LOL.
Really? What does he suffer from? What is your diagnosis...uh...doctor? Because you've been to medical school, right? At least I would think as you are able to diagnose whether someone is mentally ill or not...right?
The part where I was responding to a specific post and you come in to tell me that I'm "puking" all over my keyboard because what I am talking about, and what you are trying to illustrate, are two different things.
You are reaching, but not quite there yet.
Leather Face,
Yes I have. Eleven years.
) you would know that there is not a single contraceptive out there that is full proff.
Look it up. She was involved in the whole "Manson" family. One of the "Manson Girls" convicted of multiple counts of first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder. A real model citizen.
