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Patriots: Cheating Since 2000
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POSTED www.profootballtalk.com 3:24 p.m. EST, February 15, 2008
FORMER RAMS PLAYER SUES PATS
Not long after the Patriots were caught videotaping defensive coaching signals, a class action was filed on behalf of Jets season-ticket holders. (The current status of that action is unknown.)
Now, another class action has been filed against the Patriots based on published reports of cheating in connection with Super Bowl XXXVI. And one of the plaintiffs played for the Rams, whose final walk-through practice allegedly was taped secretly by the Patriots.
According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, former Rams player Willie Gary has joined with a Cincinnati ticket broker who attended the game to file suit against the Patriots in a New Orleans federal court. Super Bowl XXXVI was played at the Louisiana Superdome in February 2002.
The action seeks a full refund for all persons who attended the game. At $400 a pop and 72,922 pops, that's $29,168,800.
Also, the suit demands payment to all Rams players of the $25,000 difference between the winners' share and the losers' share, and of the value of a Super Bowl ring.
The lawsuit alleges that the Patriots engaged in fraud, racketeering, breach of contract, and violation of Louisiana’s unfair trade practices and consumer protection act.
At a minimum, the filing of this action means that, one way or another, former Patriots employee Matt Walsh's story will come out. He will be subject to subpoena via the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii, and the subpoena will overcome the terms of any confidentiality agreement.
FORMER RAMS PLAYER SUES PATS
Not long after the Patriots were caught videotaping defensive coaching signals, a class action was filed on behalf of Jets season-ticket holders. (The current status of that action is unknown.)
Now, another class action has been filed against the Patriots based on published reports of cheating in connection with Super Bowl XXXVI. And one of the plaintiffs played for the Rams, whose final walk-through practice allegedly was taped secretly by the Patriots.
According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, former Rams player Willie Gary has joined with a Cincinnati ticket broker who attended the game to file suit against the Patriots in a New Orleans federal court. Super Bowl XXXVI was played at the Louisiana Superdome in February 2002.
The action seeks a full refund for all persons who attended the game. At $400 a pop and 72,922 pops, that's $29,168,800.
Also, the suit demands payment to all Rams players of the $25,000 difference between the winners' share and the losers' share, and of the value of a Super Bowl ring.
The lawsuit alleges that the Patriots engaged in fraud, racketeering, breach of contract, and violation of Louisiana’s unfair trade practices and consumer protection act.
At a minimum, the filing of this action means that, one way or another, former Patriots employee Matt Walsh's story will come out. He will be subject to subpoena via the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii, and the subpoena will overcome the terms of any confidentiality agreement.
You add G. Gordon Liddy, or a second shooter on the grassy knoll, to your theory and I might get on board with you.
Yeah that's the ticket.
He also fielded a strong senior citizen defense to out the use of HGH in the NFL. Next he will run for congress and show the hypocrisy in the Republican party by molesting some children.
And your point is ? You Think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone ?? No way an Italian Carcano rifle can be accuratly fired that fast . and then the Single bullet theory , what a crock.
I like how everyone feels that it's not that bad since "Everyone else was doing it". Please tell me none of you have kids. If so, try to raise them with a much higher respect for morals than you have yourselves. I suppose now we're gonna say it's ok to be a roadie since there's so many of them already. Jeez....
Maybe I chose a bad example and should have used Area 51 or something.
My point is I'm not buying into your NFL Conspiracy Hypothesis.
i plan to also raise my children so that they do not become douchebags who think that roadies are the scum of cycling...
I couldn't agree more. When all this first came out plenty of other coaches admitted to doing it or acknowledged that it was going on. Just like baseball knew guys were juicing.
Oh really? Which coaches (more than 1) specifically admitted to this?
bill cowher
don shula
tom landry
john madden
don shula
tom landry
john madden
Links? Which walktrough practices before which games did they tape? BTW, the "stealing signals" part of spygate came and went.
that chain tension around yr neck is because i'm tugging the other side.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems a lot of folks that find this football cheating thing OK are not OK with doping in cycling. It's the same thing.
it's probably just you.
i can't imagine there's much of an overlap between the fandom of the two sports.
i can't imagine there's much of an overlap between the fandom of the two sports.
You should have thrown Ditka on that list for grins.
Blasphemy!!! :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
A quote from Peter King,
Peter said it is "hard to blame Mangini" for what happened, but Many NFL coaches view Mangini as "a skunk" "a rat fink" and "disloyal". One NFL coach Peter talked to went into a profanity laced diatribe critizing Mangini. Peter said that "there is a good chance that the Jets had a camera trained on Patriot coaches last Sunday". One coach, Ravens Defensive Coordinator Ryan went on the record with King and said when Mangini comes to town they know he is going to be stealing signals and taping so they use different signals, different color bands, and different people to give the signals. Peter said many coaches believe Mangini is self righteous, a hypocrite, and is likley doing the same thing as the Pats right now, just not as brazenly as the Pats coach. Ryan went on to say that the Ravens give a lot of phony signals "because too many teams are stealing signs". Peter said that while working for Coach B, Mangini "likely knew everything" that was going on.
The other one I recall,but can't find a direct quote was Jimmy Johson who admitted to it and said everyone was.
Now I never said it was right and no I don't agree with it. I actually am disappointed by it as a Patriots fan. But the hipocracy of everyone who is villifying Bellicheck for it when hes just the only one to get caught is sad. Also to say that Bellicheck can't win without cheating is just a crock. This happened in the first game of the season and the Pats were under a microscope from that moment on and they went undefeated all the way to the superbowl. Lets see your team do that next season??
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Every knows that coaches and scouts read lips, so all coaches talk with their playsheets covering their mouths.
So if everyone cheats by taping practices, why would you ever have an outdoor practice?
I never understood "stealing signs", especially in baseball. If your signals are predictable by gametime observation, whose fault is that? But taping practices is going over the boundaries of the rules. That's cheating.
err, yeah...
Acyually , more and more teams, during the season are having indoor practices.
Considering that they are posting in this thread, I would say the overlap is great.
Hope you had fun typing all that, because like I said in the post you quoted, the "stealing signals" part of this thing was just the tip of the ice berg, and isn't an issue any longer, although the insistence of Pats' fans to try and justify it is nearly as sickening as the original action itself. Who cares if your cheater team made it to the SB? They got smashed anyway when they couldn't cheat.A quote from Peter King,
Peter said it is "hard to blame Mangini" for what happened, but Many NFL coaches view Mangini as "a skunk" "a rat fink" and "disloyal". One NFL coach Peter talked to went into a profanity laced diatribe critizing Mangini. Peter said that "there is a good chance that the Jets had a camera trained on Patriot coaches last Sunday". One coach, Ravens Defensive Coordinator Ryan went on the record with King and said when Mangini comes to town they know he is going to be stealing signals and taping so they use different signals, different color bands, and different people to give the signals. Peter said many coaches believe Mangini is self righteous, a hypocrite, and is likley doing the same thing as the Pats right now, just not as brazenly as the Pats coach. Ryan went on to say that the Ravens give a lot of phony signals "because too many teams are stealing signs". Peter said that while working for Coach B, Mangini "likely knew everything" that was going on.
The other one I recall,but can't find a direct quote was Jimmy Johson who admitted to it and said everyone was.
Now I never said it was right and no I don't agree with it. I actually am disappointed by it as a Patriots fan. But the hipocracy of everyone who is villifying Bellicheck for it when hes just the only one to get caught is sad. Also to say that Bellicheck can't win without cheating is just a crock. This happened in the first game of the season and the Pats were under a microscope from that moment on and they went undefeated all the way to the superbowl. Lets see your team do that next season??
i think either merriam and/or webster would have a bit of a discussion w/ you on yr definition of "smashed".
You ever stop to think that the reason congress is worried about this **** is that they are just trying to distract us from what they aren't doing.
Give me a ****ing break. Who cares. It's just football. It makes me lol to see people get their lifes all wrapped up in it.
Give me a ****ing break. Who cares. It's just football. It makes me lol to see people get their lifes all wrapped up in it.
Clearly the people posting in this thread are entertained to varying extents by the sport. If you dont like it, or dont care, how about going about your business instead of wasting your, and our time, letting us know how you don't care or that you "LOL" at other people? I mean it would easily be more efficient for both of us. Why do I care if you dont care? Why do post if you dont care? What makes your cares any more valid? How about STFU?
Now that we have clearly established that cheaters always end up as losers. We get to move on.. And see what next year brings us :biggrin:
Uh...So there is a "war" going on, the economy is recessed and congress is investigating if a football team is cheating?Would you please post a picture of your tinfoil hat?
Then what was going on when the Pete Rose "scandal" broke? If there is any real justification for interest who's cheating, ask the bookies in Vegas who make serious ca$h especially during big games like the Superbowl or World Series. If you can affect the outcome of an event they can lay odds on, you stand to make quite the tidy sum.Uh...So there is a "war" going on, the economy is recessed and congress is investigating if a football team is cheating?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/22/sports/football/22patriots.html?ex=1204261200&en=7b8ddff987863917&ei=5099&partner=TOPIXNEWS
BTW, Cheaters often win... it's just that they are not well liked.
BTW, Cheaters often win... it's just that they are not well liked.
I go with 2 , but if 2 is correct doesn't that make #1 true by default ?
It seems the taping started with Belicheck. If everyone was doing it seems that the Patriots were not doing it before Belicheck.
If it wasn't explicitly against the rules, then no?
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