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Paying your bill promotes terrorism!

stinkyboy

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http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=RAISEALARM-02-28-06

By BOB KERR
The Providence Journal
28-FEB-06

PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Walter Soehnge is a retired Texas schoolteacher who traveled north with his wife, Deana, saw summer change to fall in Rhode Island and decided this was a place to stay for a while.

So the Soehnges live in Scituate now and Walter sometimes has breakfast at the Gentleman Farmer in Scituate Village, where he has passed the test and become a regular despite an accent that is definitely not local.

And it was there, at his usual table last week, that he told me that he was "madder than a panther with kerosene on his tail."

He says things like that. Texas does leave its mark on a man.

What got him so upset might seem trivial to some people who have learned to accept small infringements on their freedom as just part of the way things are in this age of terror-fed paranoia. It's that "everything changed after 9/11" thing.

But not Walter.

"We're a product of the '60s," he said. "We believe government should be way away from us in that regard."

He was referring to the recent decision by him and his wife to be responsible, to do the kind of thing that just about anyone would say makes good, solid financial sense.

They paid down some debt. The balance on their JCPenney Platinum MasterCard had gotten to an unhealthy level. So they sent in a large payment, a check for $6,522.

And an alarm went off. A red flag went up. The Soehnges' behavior was found questionable.

And all they did was pay down their debt. They didn't call a suspected terrorist on their cell phone. They didn't try to sneak a machine gun through customs.

They just paid a hefty chunk of their credit card balance. And they learned how frighteningly wide the net of suspicion has been cast.

After sending in the check, they checked online to see if their account had been duly credited. They learned that the check had arrived, but the amount available for credit on their account hadn't changed.

So Deana Soehnge called the credit-card company. Then Walter called.

"When you mess with my money, I want to know why," he said.

They both learned the same astounding piece of information about the little things that can set the threat sensors to beeping and blinking.

They were told, as they moved up the managerial ladder at the call center, that the amount they had sent in was much larger than their normal monthly payment. And if the increase hits a certain percentage higher than that normal payment, Homeland Security has to be notified. And the money doesn't move until the threat alert is lifted.

Walter called television stations, the American Civil Liberties Union and me. And he went on the Internet to see what he could learn. He learned about changes in something called the Bank Privacy Act.

"The more I'm on, the scarier it gets," he said. "It's scary how easily someone in Homeland Security can get permission to spy."

Eventually, his and his wife's money was freed up. The Soehnges were apparently found not to be promoting global terrorism under the guise of paying a credit-card bill. They never did learn how a large credit card payment can pose a security threat.

But the experience has been a reminder that a small piece of privacy has been surrendered. Walter Soehnge, who says he holds solid, middle-of-the-road American beliefs, worries about rights being lost.

"If it can happen to me, it can happen to others," he said.
 

Ciaran

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That's why I don't pay my bills. Collection agencies are agents of the axis of eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil.
 

Changleen

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BeerDemon said:
You have a spare room? I'll bring beer and we can talk fusion reactors.
I have a spare basement. There are spiders though... We can talk about whatever you like if you bring beer.

What is your deal with fusion reactors anyway? Was your mum abducted and raped by one?
 

kidwoo

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BeerDemon said:
You have a spare room? I'll bring beer and we can talk fusion reactors.
Your joke is broken. Same for your signature. I remember the thread and changleen was correct. France is building a feasibility/devlopmental level fusion reactor. You'd think with all the geniune bs that gets thrown around here you could find something a little more worthy of ridicule.
 

DirtyDog

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kidwoo said:
Your joke is broken. Same for your signature. I remember the thread and changleen was correct. France is building a feasibility/devlopmental level fusion reactor. You'd think with all the geniune bs that gets thrown around here you could find something a little more worthy of ridicule.
I'm not ridiculing, I like changleen. I plan on staying at his house when I'm over there. It was funny at the time, and I don't have any interest in changing my sig more than once every six months.

Besides, he wasn't right. "Plans" to build an "experimental" reactor certainly don't make France the "site of the Worlds first fusion reactor". Changleen made it sound like they are lighting their homes with the thing.
 

ohio

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Westy said:
Reducing your debt is un'merican.
Unfortunately, so apparently is bankruptcy (see new bankruptcy law in effect as of last October)

So yes, Changleen, we're fvcked.
 

Changleen

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BeerDemon said:
I'm not ridiculing, I like changleen. I plan on staying at his house when I'm over there. It was funny at the time, and I don't have any interest in changing my sig more than once every six months.

Besides, he wasn't right. "Plans" to build an "experimental" reactor certainly don't make France the "site of the Worlds first fusion reactor". Changleen made it sound like they are lighting their homes with the thing.
If you're looking at it like that then technically I was actually wrong, because as far as I am aware, the sustained test Fusion reactions to date have not been carried out in France, they have been in Princeton (US), Oxford (UK), Ibaraki (Japan) and somewhere in Russia. More recently, some kiddies at US and European universities have been messing about with desktop cold fusion in order to produce nutrinos, which isn't really the same thing but is really cool.

However, to be a bit more literal, I said "France is the site of the world's first fusion reactor" by which I meant "France is the site of the world's first thermonuclear fusion reactor designed to produce significant amounts of power" - which is correct. France is that site. "Site" being the operative word. Although the core containment system is being built now as far as I am aware.
 

valve bouncer

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This bloke's obviously one of Osama's fellow travellers. Wouldn't a real Texan never leave Texas? He's obviously ideologically suspect and probably needs re-education.
 

BurlyShirley

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Holy ****! A guys payment was slowed? How the **** can we allow this? Let's storm the capital.
 

Ciaran

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BurlyShirley said:
Holy ****! A guys payment was slowed? How the **** can we allow this? Let's storm the capital.
Glad to see you're on board with the revolutiuon! Ready? OK... You go first! :D
 

DaveW

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Changleen said:
I have a spare basement. There are spiders though... We can talk about whatever you like if you bring beer.

What is your deal with fusion reactors anyway? Was your mum abducted and raped by one?

NO WAY MAN!! :mumble:

He might be secretly infected with American Fundamentalism! We can alow them to spread it any further, it's a bu****e plot! :hot:



:rofl: :rofl:
 

kinghami3

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BurlyShirley said:
Holy ****! A guys payment was slowed? How the **** can we allow this? Let's storm the capital.
Apparently you missed the part about our government spying on him :rolleyes:...
I'm not one to be super paranoid about my privacy, but this is ridiculous. I wonder how many databases I'm in?
 

reflux

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BurlyShirley said:
Holy ****! A guys payment was slowed? How the **** can we allow this? Let's storm the capital.
For how long was the payment delayed? Was he charged a late fee and interest? If so, I'd be pretty damn pissed if I were him.
 

MudGrrl

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reflux said:
For how long was the payment delayed? Was he charged a late fee and interest? If so, I'd be pretty damn pissed if I were him.

another good point.




we are fcked.

and we're all moving to Chang's house (I can paint, would you like some paintings in return for room and board?)
 

Changleen

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Sure! Actually since you'll all be in the half-converted basement, your painting skills might be better used tidying the place up a bit. It's currently a rather horrible shade of yellow.

I accept housekeeping chores and beer in lieu of actual rent too. :)
 

BurlyShirley

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kinghami3 said:
Apparently you missed the part about our government spying on him :rolleyes:...
I'm not one to be super paranoid about my privacy, but this is ridiculous. I wonder how many databases I'm in?
No. Apparently YOU missed the point:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Can we have an IQ test or something before we allow people to start posting in the PD forum?
 

stinkyboy

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BurlyShirley said:
No. Apparently YOU missed the point:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
I must have too. Can you explain the point of this:

"Holy ****! A guys payment was slowed? How the **** can we allow this? Let's storm the capital."
 

reflux

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stinkyboy said:
I must have too. Can you explain the point of this:

"Holy ****! A guys payment was slowed? How the **** can we allow this? Let's storm the capital."
To reiterate my prior point, interest and late penalties on a $6k credit card bill aren't exactly cheap. To sound like a broken record even moreso, I'd be pretty damn pissed.
 

ohio

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rooftest said:
That is great! can take the man out of the hillbilly but....
I have to say, that one's pretty weak. It just doesn't roll off the tongue, nor give a good visual.

I prefer:
Grinnin' like a possum eating sh!t
Hotter'n two squirrels ****ing in a wool sock
Stuck on (blank) like flies on horsesh!t
etc.