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Personally, I blame excessive government regulation...

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/health/04meat.html

Long story short: Young woman paralyzed by virulent form of e. coli. Cargill trying to shift blame to supplier. Upton Sinclair is spinning in his grave. Parts I found interesting below.

The retail giant Costco is one of the few big producers that tests trimmings for E. coli before grinding, a practice it adopted after a New York woman was sickened in 1998 by its hamburger meat, prompting a recall.

Craig Wilson, Costco’s food safety director, said the company decided it could not rely on its suppliers alone. “It’s incumbent upon us,” he said. “If you say, ‘Craig, this is what we’ve done,’ I should be able to go, ‘Cool, I believe you.’ But I’m going to check.”


And then this:

Costco said it had found E. coli in foreign and domestic beef trimmings and pressured suppliers to fix the problem. But even Costco, with its huge buying power, said it had met resistance from some big slaughterhouses. “Tyson will not supply us,” Mr. Wilson said. “They don’t want us to test.”

Followed by this:

The food safety officer at American Foodservice, which grinds 365 million pounds of hamburger a year, said it stopped testing trimmings a decade ago because of resistance from slaughterhouses. “They would not sell to us,” said Timothy P. Biela, the officer. “If I test and it’s positive, I put them in a regulatory situation. One, I have to tell the government, and two, the government will trace it back to them. So we don’t do that.”

Obviously, if we just get rid of the regulations, then we won't have to worry about slaughterhouses pushing back. Problem solved. (But wait, doesn't that mean no tests for a potentially harmful bacteria? Sure, but if enough people are paralyzed by Cargill's burgers, people will stop buying them. Invisible handjob ftw!)

Finally, this:

Dr. James Marsden, a meat safety expert at Kansas State University and senior science adviser for the North American Meat Processors Association, said the Department of Agriculture needed to issue better guidance on avoiding cross-contamination, like urging people to use bleach to sterilize cutting boards. “Even if you are a scientist, much less a housewife with a child, it’s very difficult,” Dr. Marsden said.

Actually, it isn't. You take a spray bottle, put in a tablespoon of bleach and 20oz of water, you use that on any surface that might get contaminated. It will be effective for about a week in the bottle, but I change mine out every three or four days to be safe. Bleach is cheap.
 

jonKranked

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Just being local doesn't make food any safer. It is all about how it is raised.
Generally, local meat is farm raised (at least in my experience), and not kept in a pen where animals are forced to wallow in their own filth and are fed the entrails of slaughtered animals.



On that note, I just moved a mile and a half from this.
 

Westy

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Nov 22, 2002
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Generally, local meat is farm raised (at least in my experience), and not kept in a pen where animals are forced to wallow in their own filth and are fed the entrails of slaughtered animals.



On that note, I just moved a mile and a half from this.
Check out the link I posted above. It has little to do with filthy conditions and more to do with what cows are fed. High levels of corn feed causes the cow gut to become very acidic (corn is not a natural diet for cattle). This creates a perfect environment for e-coli. Pump the cow full of antibiotics and now you have a cow full of antibiotic resistant e-coli and covered in e-coli ****. Just feed a cow grass a week before slaughter and the problem pretty much goes away. Of course that would increase costs by $.0001/lb which is unacceptable to the Americans consumer.

MORE CHEAPER FASTER and CHEAPER!
 

BurlyShirley

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Jul 4, 2002
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Is corn the devil?

I knew those indians would get us back somehow for that smallpox thing. They unleashed the plague that is corn upon us.
 

jonKranked

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Check out the link I posted above. It has little to do with filthy conditions and more to do with what cows are fed. High levels of corn feed causes the cow gut to become very acidic (corn is not a natural diet for cattle). This creates a perfect environment for e-coli. Pump the cow full of antibiotics and now you have a cow full of antibiotic resistant e-coli and covered in e-coli ****. Just feed a cow grass a week before slaughter and the problem pretty much goes away. Of course that would increase costs by $.0001/lb which is unacceptable to the Americans consumer.

MORE CHEAPER FASTER and CHEAPER!
The 2 issues are inter-related. When cattle are being mass raised for slaughter in slaughter houses, the logistics of feeding them become very complicated. For the largest slaughterhouses, imagine how many hundreds (if not thousands) of acres of grass would be required to feed cattle, even if just for one week. This becomes cost inhibitive, and again gets back to the bottom line of the business.

edit: the filth does play a role as well. If an animal is infected with e-coli, it will spread it through its feces. When packed into confined quarters (and animals standing in each other's poop), it can spread quickly.
 
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BurlyShirley

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Jul 4, 2002
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Just to chime in, those concentrated feeding lots for cows, chickens, pigs... whatever, are a real threat and problem for water resources. The sewage runoff, as Im sure everyone can imagine, is pretty substancial and will basically kill a creek and put lots of stuff in the water you don't want to be in contact with... considering these animals are pumped full of hormones and antibiotics, I dont think anyone believes their wastewater treatment practices are thorough enough.
 

kidwoo

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heh...Thanks for confirming this. There is a reason I use my micro filter everytime.
Oh yes. There's only one place on any trail ride I've ever filled up my camelback without filtering. At about 10k on top of mt freel.

Keep pumping.


And back on topic.

I love costco.

I turned down a job with cargill because of this kind of thing. They and their ilk are absolutely a scourge.
 
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skatetokil

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Jan 2, 2005
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It's really gross and I hate to think about this stuff, but I've never actually gotten sick from a Mc Burger because, if cooked thoroughly, all the bacteria should die. From my perspective, I object to the bad treatment and suffering of the animals more than the treat to my health which is minimal.

However, go to almost any developing country and you'll spend most of the time doing the green apple quickstep (or worse) despite the fact that the animals are raised with love and tenderness in the front yard of the family farm. That's because in many parts of the world, the food delivery system consists of pickup trucks filled with open cardboard boxes of assorted meat, which is then left sitting in the sun all day until you come to place your order, at which point it is cooked rare and doused in something spicy to mask the rancid taste.

From a health perspective I'll take the US system any day.
 

blue

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The 2 issues are inter-related. When cattle are being mass raised for slaughter in slaughter houses, the logistics of feeding them become very complicated. For the largest slaughterhouses, imagine how many hundreds (if not thousands) of acres of grass would be required to feed cattle, even if just for one week. This becomes cost inhibitive, and again gets back to the bottom line of the business.

edit: the filth does play a role as well. If an animal is infected with e-coli, it will spread it through its feces. When packed into confined quarters (and animals standing in each other's poop), it can spread quickly.
Mass production of animals for food is unsustainable with ANY feed.