[jonKranked]

And while we are at it...

The Type 57x frame for bicycles - Fabbro Industries, LLC — Fabbro Industries, LLC

Who wants high pivot bikes when you could have extending chainstays with a pivotless setup?

and a saddle position only chris porter would like

 

[trib]

Did they base the chainstay on a Rivendell?

 

[Subversion_Garage]

90’s DBR I rescued a while back. Yes, that is the original spoke reflectors and dork disc.

 

[DaveW]

Obscure creaky old relic.....

 

[Westy]

Obscure creaky old relic.....

Bike looks nice though

 

[kidwoo]

that was back when I'd only broken my back once!

 

[6thElement]

40mm gravel dual crown fork.

 

[kidwoo]

40mm gravel dual crown fork.

be right back...........

 

[Flo33]

that was back when I'd only broken my back once!

Isn't that a shot from your ixs helmet test on blister?

 

[norbar]

40mm gravel dual crown fork.

Inb4 someone at the industry invents a GTB (gravel trail bike) which is kind of what Leadville racers were running. A low travel mountain bike with drop bars. They will just add 700c wheels and bam, new class of bikes.

This wouldn't be as bad as it might drop the prices on gravel bikes and some of them despite the dumb hype are decent bikes.

 

[HardtailHack]

 

[johnbryanpeters]

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barf...

 

[canadmos]

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Seatpost is facing the correct way, so that can't be @Sandwich 's bike...

 

[Gary]

This wouldn't be as bad as it might drop the prices on gravel bikes and some of them despite the dumb hype are decent bikes.

What?

 

[Sandwich]

Seatpost is facing the correct way, so that can't be @Sandwich 's bike...

man, FUCK yo knees

 

[norbar]

What?

Gravel "race bikes" are dumb since that's just CX 2.0 but bikes suitable for bikepacking with a more comfortable position than most road bikes, with better tires and ones that generally work well for long trips are a decent thing. The gravel thing means you are not limited by only super nice roads. Sure it's a niche but it does exist.

 

[Westy]

Gravel "race bikes" are dumb since that's just CX 2.0 but bikes suitable for bikepacking with a more comfortable position than most road bikes, with better tires and ones that generally work well for long trips are a decent thing. The gravel thing means you are not limited by only super nice roads. Sure it's a niche but it does exist.

I think that was always just called a touring bike, but that branding wasn't working anymore.

 

[Gary]

So you like the idea of a commuter roadbike but without mudguards so you get a free enema on every wet ride?

 

[lobsterCT]

That might be closer to a bidet? I think an enema requires a bulb.

 

[Gary]

I honestly think "gravel" was thought up by bike accessory and bike luggage manufacturers rather than bike designers.

 

[norbar]

So you like the idea of a commuter roadbike but without mudguards so you get a free enema on every wet ride?

Who said no mudguards?

Also a commuter bike that can take quite a bit of extra luggage. But yeah.

 

[Gary]

Who said no mudguards?

The Industry™

 

[Gary]

How else are they ever going to get you to UPGRADE to their latest MOAR durable MOAR waterproof *insert new textile name* luggage?

 

[norbar]

The Industry™

Germans would disagree as thier companies like mudguards a bit more. Though I think the no mudguards thing is mostly because people don't like the look of them when they buy it so most dum dums need to buy a cool looking bike, realize no mudguards was a bad idea and buy aftermarket ones. The issue is also how dumb the average customer is.

Also some gravel bike have a bit better geo than commuters. Sure it's marginal but a slightly better bike is still slightly better. It's just it's not true for most gravel bikes. Imho it's a typical case of something that would probably develop into something useful if not for marketing/hype.

@Westy weirdly in Poland they were called "trekking" bikes. A drop bar is a nice addition to it and weirdly most trekking bikes in the past were really horrible 20 years ago when I've seen more of them here and only became good once you paid stupid money for them. So there is a benefit to this "everyone needs a gravel" nonsense.

 

[kidwoo]

Isn't that a shot from your ixs helmet test on blister?

vital but yes

Only helmet I've ever used that I broke in less than one season

 

[trib]

Inb4 someone at the industry invents a GTB (gravel trail bike) which is kind of what Leadville racers were running. A low travel mountain bike with drop bars. They will just add 700c wheels and bam, new class of bikes.

This wouldn't be as bad as it might drop the prices on gravel bikes and some of them despite the dumb hype are decent bikes.

Youre closer to the reality than you may realise.

 

[Gary]

Germans won't cross a completely empty street if there's a red pedestrian crossing light somewhere even vaguely close to where would be a perfectly safe place to cross. So yeah. It's no surprise that bicycles without mudguards are an uncommon sight there.
.

 

[Flo33]

vital but yes

Only helmet I've ever used that I broke in less than one season

Nice long term review

 

[Flo33]

Germans won't cross a completely empty street if there's a red pedestrian crossing light somewhere even vaguely close to where would be a perfectly safe place to cross. So yeah. It's no surprise that bicycles without mudguards are an uncommon sight there.
.

So true. Whenever I was working there, i was deemed a revoluzzer for straying off paths and taking way shorter cut offs or like you said crossing an empty street on a red sign.

 

[sethimus]

both of you never been to germany it seems

 

[kidwoo]

Nice long term review

I think the ruptured testicle really makes it relatable

So true. Whenever I was working there, i was deemed a revoluzzer for straying off paths and taking way shorter cut offs or like you said crossing an empty street on a red sign.

they're just being "good germans"

 

[kidwoo]

both of you never been to germany it seems

too many germans

 

[toodles]

both of you never been to germany it seems

Grandad flew over it but never stopped

 

[DaveW]

Grandad flew over it but never stopped

Good on him, one of my uncles flew over and unfortunately did stop.
Manchester bombers were apparently a bit more shit than the designers originally though they would be.

Ivan Fenton Waugh | New Zealand War Graves Project

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._61_Squadron_RAF

It was on their 1st mission in the manchesters to Germany over Kiel.

Beginning operations with Hampdens, the squadron converted in July 1941 to the more modern Manchesters and later (spring 1942), Lancasters. Four of its Lancasters; ED860 "N-Nan", EE176, JB138, and LL483, each became veterans of more than 100 operational sorties. Records show that in the case of the first three aircraft, the long road to their centuries included participation in the raid on 3/4 November 1943, when Flight Lieutenant William Reid of No. 61 Squadron won the Victoria Cross.

 

[slyfink]

that was back when I'd only broken my back once!

A) and your partner is still with you?!

B) is that a CG sticker on your helmet, you fanboi you!

 

[norbar]

Germans won't cross a completely empty street if there's a red pedestrian crossing light somewhere even vaguely close to where would be a perfectly safe place to cross. So yeah. It's no surprise that bicycles without mudguards are an uncommon sight there.
.

My German stepfather hates rules so much he stopped being vegan after 20 years because "lefties are vegan" and they are bad only because they like rules. Then again his bike doesn't have mudguards. Though Sethi is right. Most Germans I worked with are less prone to follow any form or organized thinking than a libertarian meth convention.

 

[kidwoo]

is that a CG sticker on your helmet, you fanboi you!

no

 

[DaveW]

no

Yes it is.

 

[kidwoo]

Yes it is.
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I like how you're arguing with the guy who actually had the helmet.

Not a sticker. Those dumb helmets had those as permanent graphics because they claimed he had something to do with designing it.

So no, I most certainly did not go out of my way to deliberately put a CG logo on it.

That was the only way they came with that first gen and I was handed one to test.

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[mykel]

I like how you're arguing with the guy who actually had the helmet.

Not a sticker. Those dumb helmets had those as permanent graphics because they claimed he had something to do with designing it.

So no, I most certainly did not go out of my way to deliberately put a CG logo on it.

That was the only way they came with that first gen and I was handed one to test.

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So you proudly displayed it instead of covering it up.

Gotcha