[slimshady]

Seems like Shimano is getting mar and moar SRAMized. They will release in the wild a new 11-46 cassette (with a rumored 11-52 XT/XTR level one in the works), a chain quick link and narrow/wide rings with moar sculpting to dodge SRAM's patents.

http://www.bikerumor.com/2016/02/29/shimano-put-their-spin-on-narrow-wide-chairings-intros-11-46t-cassette-quick-link-new-gearing-more/

 

[jonKranked]

shimano may be slow to respond to the changing market, but when they put something out its almost always ready for prime time. nothing like sram's road disc launch

 

[slimshady]

shimano may be slow to respond to the changing market, but when they put something out its almost always ready for prime time. nothing like sram's road disc launch

... or SRAM's misaligned Rock Shox stanchions..
... or SRAM's Elixir fiasco...
...
(feel free to add your bad memories to the list)

Now, back on topic, I want to see those narrow/wide multiple chainring cranks Shimano patented a while ago in flesh and blood.

 

[Sandwich]

whoa, a quick link? from shimano? that'll almost singlehandedly knock KNC's aftermarket game out of business. I cannot believe they haven't gone that way before now. sheesh.

 

[StiHacka]

Seems like Shimano is getting mar and moar SRAMized. They will release in the wild a new 11-46 cassette (with a rumored 11-52 XT/XTR level one in the works), a chain quick link and narrow/wide rings with moar sculpting to dodge SRAM's patents.

http://www.bikerumor.com/2016/02/29/shimano-put-their-spin-on-narrow-wide-chairings-intros-11-46t-cassette-quick-link-new-gearing-more/

Will we be able to buy pre-worn chains with the pre-worn rings?

 

[Westy]

... or SRAM's misaligned Rock Shox stanchions..
... or SRAM's Elixir fiasco...
...
(feel free to add your bad memories to the list)

Now, back on topic, I want to see those narrow/wide multiple chainring cranks Shimano patented a while ago in flesh and blood.

Just another reason not to go out and buy new stuff as soon as it comes out.

 

[slimshady]

Will we be able to buy pre-worn chains with the pre-worn rings?

Nope, but if you are a quick spinning guy, you'll be able to cut plywood

 

[johnbryanpeters]

Regarding quick link: About.fucking.time.

 

[Nick]

Regarding quick link: About.fucking.time.

 

[jonKranked]

now where's their 12 speed cassette?

 

[Gallain]

The feeling of "meh"...

 

[jonKranked]

hasn't been pointed out: quick link is currently 11 speed only.

 

[slimshady]

hasn't been pointed out: quick link is currently 11 speed only.

10sp release delayed until Spring 2019.

 

[StiHacka]

hasn't been pointed out: quick link is currently 11 speed only.

Great news for all fifteen guys on the planet who ride on Shimano 1x11!

 

[slimshady]

Aren't 10sp and 11sp chains the same width? I thought the extra cog gets squeezed in by overlapping it with the freehub flange, towards the spokes.

 

[HAB]

Aren't 10sp and 11sp chains the same width? I thought the extra cog gets squeezed in by overlapping it with the freehub flange, towards the spokes.

Really, really close, but not 100% identical. You could probably get away with running an 11s link on a 10s setup but putting it on might suck.

 

[4xBoy]

Great news for all fifteen guys on the planet who ride on Shimano 1x11!

Guilty.

 

[wood booger]

Seems like Shimano is getting mar and moar SRAMized. They will release in the wild a new 11-46 cassette (with a rumored 11-52 XT/XTR level one in the works), a chain quick link and narrow/wide rings with moar sculpting to dodge SRAM's patents.

http://www.bikerumor.com/2016/02/29/shimano-put-their-spin-on-narrow-wide-chairings-intros-11-46t-cassette-quick-link-new-gearing-more/

If the ring is like the picture, it directly infringes SRAM's patent. No dodging at all. Basically if there is narrow tooth, and a wide tooth it is infringing according to SRAM.
Shimano's previous design did not infringe, but it also did not work....

Going to be interesting see what happens as SRAM has already started suing people.

 

[slimshady]

Shimano might base these oneby rings on their previous patent about shiftable narrow/wide rings:

http://www.bikerumor.com/2015/07/23/shimano-files-patent-for-shiftable-narrow-wide-chainrings

Time to bring the popcorn and wait for the fireworks.

 

[Jm_]

If the ring is like the picture, it directly infringes SRAM's patent. No dodging at all. Basically if there is narrow tooth, and a wide tooth it is infringing according to SRAM.
Shimano's previous design did not infringe, but it also did not work....

Going to be interesting see what happens as SRAM has already started suing people.

Well, Ellsworth got away with it, I don't see why Shimano can't.

 

[wood booger]

Ellsworth? Didn't know they were in the drive train game....

Are you referring to them patenting something that was already patented? In any case Ellsworth was never more than a rabbit sized turd floating in the toilet compared to Shimano or SRAM clogging the whole shitter.

You usually only sue someone who is taking sales/profit from you (or you are filled with hate like the Grande Ese). Ellsworth has never fit that definition, even in the hay day of snapping Truths and Dares.

 

[jstuhlman]

who gives a fuck? there are a zillion n/w rings. they all work reasonably well. litigate on, litigators. i'll just keep riding.

 

[Jm_]

You usually only sue someone who is taking sales/profit from you (or you are filled with hate like the Grande Ese). Ellsworth has never fit that definition, even in the hay day of snapping Truths and Dares.

After he "patented" the already patented horst link, calling it "ICT", Tony E gave an ultimatum to Dave Turner: Pay me or I'll sue you for using "my" design. Dave got to use the horst link in the first place because he worked with Mr. Horst on the Amp bike and Mr. Horst said he could said design, that was also given to Specialized. Ultimately it ended up with Turner changing suspension designs because he didn't want to go through the litigation and spend all his time and effort on the lawsuit, but it was a low shot to the balls from Tony Douchebag Ellsworth. Of course, just when you think you've heard it all, a dealer tells you some new-to-you horror stories concerning good ole Tony E. There's one I'll just keep to myself that I just learned about a month ago, but it's amazing how some people are just pathological liars and just can't tell the truth, no matter what the situation. Lets just say when you start turning over rocks, after a while you aren't surprised by what you find, concerning Tony E.

 

[jstuhlman]

who gives a fuck about tony e and his ugly as fuck bikes that no one buys?

 

[HAB]

who gives a fuck about tony e and his ugly as fuck bikes that no one buys?

I didn't even realize they were still in business. Looked them up, and GOOD LORD.

 

[Jm_]

who gives a fuck about tony e and his ugly as fuck bikes that no one buys?

He has none, he done and sold it off. He got his parachute and skipped the crash. Only problem is that they are still called "ellsworth".

 

[captainspauldin]

I didn't even realize they were still in business. Looked them up, and GOOD LORD.

Good god, did he hire Cigarette boats to do the graphics?

 

[HAB]

Good god, did he hire Cigarette boats do the graphics?

Not to mention that it's a new bike, that you can buy in 2016, with a 14.65" BB height.

 

[wood booger]

The Chinese burn paper money to communicate with the dead.
Maybe the new Ellsworth owners really really want to talk with granny.....

 

[WestCoastHucker]

Basically if there is narrow tooth, and a wide tooth it is infringing according to SRAM.

but narrow and narrower is a totally different design...

 

[WestCoastHucker]

..Only problem is that they are still called "ellsworth".

i wouldn't call making it easier to spot a piece of shit a problem...