Heyyy...bullcrew, you're a beastly man!...glad to see I'm not the only one around here.
pivot phoenix build
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Too many vegetables as a kid.....lol
Lol yeah the bikes and equipment pay for it....the one good thing is I can recommend brakes, rims, shocks and chains with total confidence...also side loading from not straightening out a whip completely will tell how good a bikes gussetts and linkage is...
Yes Jon I'm back in San Diego now and been here going into the 3rd year...So when you loading the bike up and coming out?
Weathers good surfs been good, open door man...got a room, place to wrench and a lot of solid trails. No excuses man....
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sweet parts you got and gonna get 
I get inspiration from your builds.
As you maybe saw in another thread, Im juggling beween choices. Nice to hear that you like XT brakes. Enough good for brake like Saint but better modulation?
it will be interesting how Flow EX performs. still ghetto method on those?
I see you have 180 Fox Talas SC, how do you like this? any difference of 2012 and 2013? will Avalanche build kit for you ? I look at choices for SC as Fox Talas, Marzochi 55 micro switch TA, Vengeance HLR DLA. Vengeance seem get praise a lot. Your thoughts?
Sorry for asking here about gear. If you want I can send Pm.
cheers. from cold Sweden (zero degrees
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I get inspiration from your builds.
As you maybe saw in another thread, Im juggling beween choices. Nice to hear that you like XT brakes. Enough good for brake like Saint but better modulation?
it will be interesting how Flow EX performs. still ghetto method on those?
I see you have 180 Fox Talas SC, how do you like this? any difference of 2012 and 2013? will Avalanche build kit for you ?
I look at choices for SC as Fox Talas, Marzochi 55 micro switch TA, Vengeance HLR DLA. Vengeance seem get praise a lot. Your thoughts?Sorry for asking here about gear. If you want I can send Pm.
cheers. from cold Sweden (zero degrees
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Xt brakes are actually really good I'm impressed not a lot of modulation room compared to my formulas. They have a narrow modulation pull on lever before they bite, and bite they do... lots of power....sweet parts you got and gonna get
I get inspiration from your builds.
As you maybe saw in another thread, Im juggling beween choices. Nice to hear that you like XT brakes. Enough good for brake like Saint but better modulation?
it will be interesting how Flow EX performs. still ghetto method on those?
I see you have 180 Fox Talas SC, how do you like this? any difference of 2012 and 2013? will Avalanche build kit for you ?
Sorry for asking here about gear. If you want I can send Pm.
cheers. from cold Sweden (zero degrees
Love the fox talas 180 I climb sometimes like yesterday did a 8 mile ride more xc/am with some jumps and rocks on another part at the end but had to pedal and dropping the front helped.
The talas mowed through the rocks really well bars were in total control and easy to hold onto...
I hear great things about the vector stuff have a buddy who rides there stuff and it performs very well....
I do not like marzocchi 55s I bent the steer tube on one granted it took a huge mashing but even the feel wasn't up to the task. Yes it was riding more nasty and rocks but I've had fox 36s rip through the stuff no issues...
Its a good fork just not for me, don't let that sway you if you find a good deal just don't take it out of its element....
Flows will be going on the bike tonight the wheel set with Hadley hubs came in at 1960 grams with double butted spokes brass nipples. So I got my hadleys under 2000 g so I'm good....I will not be going ghetto on these because they say they are designed for the stance tape, presta valve so I want to find out....
Not too confident in it being as solid as I'm accustomed too, I like my bead glued to the ghetto rim strip for less pressure but stans knows there stuff too so I'm willing to try....worst case is I roll a tire or blow a wheel up go ghetto the next round...
In short any of the choices your looking at on this thread and the other are all solid choices I don't think you can go wrong with any of them...all quality stuff just figure out what the main riding your doing is and weight wise, do you like the feel of air or coil....
Look forward to seeing your build.....
Yes the fox talas 180 will be going to avalanche and getting a cartridge, as far as difference between 12-13 model year not on the 40s or 36 just the rest of the lines.
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Aced the hope hubs for Hadleys laced to the flow ex with db spokes
Nice choice with red 
Man, crazy how Hadley hubs are a full 100ish grams heavier than Hopes. That's almost half a pound front and back. But amazing sound, I love em.
Man, crazy how Hadley hubs are a full 100ish grams heavier than Hopes. That's almost half a pound front and back. But amazing sound, I love em.
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Most amazing part is how I just seated the bead with the dirty Dan dh tires on the flow ex rims...yes a little backpack pump. Lol
I had to know if it would seat and fill that easy, both went right up popped into place...yep just that easy...
Yeah but the drag I had on the hope with new bearings even and no adjustment just didn't cut it... I'll take a bit more weight for quality in the rolling area....
I had to know if it would seat and fill that easy, both went right up popped into place...yep just that easy...
Yeah but the drag I had on the hope with new bearings even and no adjustment just didn't cut it... I'll take a bit more weight for quality in the rolling area....
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thanks for the reply!
Interesting about Hope. I feel good about decision rebuilding on Hadleys
Do you still run single ply front and dual ply rear? I 'd like to try both single ply, hmm. I dont weigh much about 165 lbs. I need to experiment for tire choices for all-round as urban, am, dh . lol
Interesting about Hope. I feel good about decision rebuilding on Hadleys
Do you still run single ply front and dual ply rear? I 'd like to try both single ply, hmm. I dont weigh much about 165 lbs. I need to experiment for tire choices for all-round as urban, am, dh . lol
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If you need any tips on LOL riding, holler; No one gets pointed at and mocked more than I.thanks for the reply!
Interesting about Hope. I feel good about decision rebuilding on Hadleys
Do you still run single ply front and dual ply rear? I 'd like to try both single ply, hmm. I dont weigh much about 165 lbs. I need to experiment for tire choices for all-round as urban, am, dh . lol
I find tires matter little when your main contact patch is your face.
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Srs stuf: Hadley amazing - tiny bit portly : if you have em, you're nuts for thinking of anything else (unless you desperately need to shave 23g off your bike...)
Hope - nice colors and light, but use it pretty much only if you need thosw 23g bad. (or maybe a color that Hadley doesnt make......)
Indeed, I think I mostly use for AM/bikepark/urban and change to heavier tires for DH season. It is a bit weird but I use single wheel kit for both AM and DH bikes (yes two different ) and change tires often in UST is pain in ass 
but Im prepared to do change sometimes. None wants get drag down by 80% time of year with too heavy tires.
but Im prepared to do change sometimes. None wants get drag down by 80% time of year with too heavy tires.
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I got a Hope 142 hub recently cuz it was like $100 cheaper than a DT 240 and QBP listed it as only 30g heavier. Unfortunately it's 85g heavier, not a light hub. I wish I'd paid for the 240. The new Flow picked up a few grams as well so my new rear wheel is 1/4lb heavier than my old one.
On a positive note, the Hope's noise isn't as loud as I'd expected and it spins well. Also, the disc tabs aren't likely to explode like the AmClassic it replaced. The Flow EX gives the tire (2.5" Ardent) a nice profile and it looks like it'll be burlier than the Flow.
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I ride 2.5 freeride tires when i do because of my size at your size tomasis you could run 2.35 with lower pressure when needed and be good.
Also if you run any of the wider tires try and run a proper width rim too many people stuff a single ply big profile.e tire on a narrow rim...this will lead to rolling a bead off, the dh casings are a lot more forgiving with wire bead and thicker sidewall. The dh will hold better to a narrow rim really well I raced the 2.5 dh on 721 rims with no issues.... had 3 cracks 11 dents and it still worked perfect...(721 rims are amazing weight to strength).
Yeah I think the dt 240 is the lightest setup for dh hubs decent engagement with the new ring for the drive and reliable simply.e and just work....I looked at em but dang expensive for a black hub shell 36 points of engagement and not eye candy..make for a sweet light race wheel set....
I would have bought the 240s as well if they weren't so pricey, I rode 440s heavy but solid...
The new flow ex rims make swapping tires SIMPLE and inflate easy.....easiest setup I've done in 6+ years even over ghetto I've always needed a little oompf to get the tire seated sometimes as litt.e as a floor pump but never a back pack hand pump....
Also if you run any of the wider tires try and run a proper width rim too many people stuff a single ply big profile.e tire on a narrow rim...this will lead to rolling a bead off, the dh casings are a lot more forgiving with wire bead and thicker sidewall. The dh will hold better to a narrow rim really well I raced the 2.5 dh on 721 rims with no issues.... had 3 cracks 11 dents and it still worked perfect...(721 rims are amazing weight to strength).
Yeah I think the dt 240 is the lightest setup for dh hubs decent engagement with the new ring for the drive and reliable simply.e and just work....I looked at em but dang expensive for a black hub shell 36 points of engagement and not eye candy..make for a sweet light race wheel set....
I would have bought the 240s as well if they weren't so pricey, I rode 440s heavy but solid...
The new flow ex rims make swapping tires SIMPLE and inflate easy.....easiest setup I've done in 6+ years even over ghetto I've always needed a little oompf to get the tire seated sometimes as litt.e as a floor pump but never a back pack hand pump....
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Not to completely derail this thread again, but this did the trick for me. I was finally able to hear myself think this weekend while riding...pleasant thoughts like "I suck", but still, it was nice to not have to listen to the spring rattle all day.
Got a bit of ride time on rocks and drops...
Did a east county ride with plenty of fast twisty loose over hard and rocks/gardens...
Suspension was set up like total poo (yes that's the technical term) the 180 and rc4 had way to much rebound d and high speed it was like a hard tail in the rocks...(messed around with adjustments the other day and forgot to put em back) i got unlazy and dialed it back the bike opened up, it is more responsive than the Sunday to rider input as well as doesn't blow through the last bit of travel.
Thought it had a bad hang up on rocks initially on square edge then adjusted the shock and realized it was settings.
Drops are great didn't bottom on landings was super easy to manipulate in the air and whip around.it dirt jumps extremely well, corners solid I blew out a berm on a super steep section came in to hot and dove it hard back swung around and I went over...again thankfully for helmets....lol
Anyhow here's a pic of deij's Sunday and the pivot, he rode it around a little and commented on how it was more responsive...
Did a east county ride with plenty of fast twisty loose over hard and rocks/gardens...
Suspension was set up like total poo (yes that's the technical term) the 180 and rc4 had way to much rebound d and high speed it was like a hard tail in the rocks...(messed around with adjustments the other day and forgot to put em back) i got unlazy and dialed it back the bike opened up, it is more responsive than the Sunday to rider input as well as doesn't blow through the last bit of travel.
Thought it had a bad hang up on rocks initially on square edge then adjusted the shock and realized it was settings.
Drops are great didn't bottom on landings was super easy to manipulate in the air and whip around.it dirt jumps extremely well, corners solid I blew out a berm on a super steep section came in to hot and dove it hard back swung around and I went over...again thankfully for helmets....lol
Anyhow here's a pic of deij's Sunday and the pivot, he rode it around a little and commented on how it was more responsive...
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^ Dude Im this close to dropping it for the Van/Float 180. Thanks for the rep, now I really wanna try a Pivot, or any dwl dh bike.
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The fork rips....handles stuff really well....
When you get sometime on the flow ex's report back. Please
Definently, I slammed some pretty nasty rocks the other day and going to keep riding them hard.
Yeah there's not a lot of Phoenix's out there, very small production runs...no real reviews or solid DH/FR info regarding it....
Thankfully it rides like a sunday that moved forward and progressed. Didn't want to put it on the chopping block right away it rides as good as it looks...
^ Crew have you ridden a DHR? How does it compare to your Phoenix and the Sunday?
Buddy has a small so any ride time wouldn't be fair. If i can get ahold of another buddies ill put some runs on it.
I am definitely curious to hear the results of that comparison. Thanks for bike whoring it up and sharing your thoughts with the rest of us!
No worries I was hoping there were others with the Phoenix who would chime in lol no biggie I don't mind the small crowd.
Yeah I am curious to run a dhr after I get some time on this, for a side by side. I will call him in the next week or so. We are wheeling calico gatekeeper this weekend coming up along with Johnson valley so after we try and destroy the jeep I'll go beat on his bike...
Nice setup you guys are building up there look forward to seeing the end result...hopefully this spring I can make a run there on the way up to the northwest...
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I'll swap for a run or two with you.
That's right I forgot you had one fred....there it is.....
We can hit a few trails and compare....
Its on. Nice!
Here's the drop and fred I'll text you to hook up I'll. Throw the fox 40 back on to match your suspension....
Take off is where the bike is at up top and the helmet is where landing starts...
Lol lots of massive roots all the way to the landing, it had ruts and vertical as well as a bigger rut which made it perfect for a drop. Found unusable and made it usable.
The dhx 5.0 just got back from Avalanche modded with extended reservoir for the phoenix, the rc4 is on its way back to avy now.
Take off is where the bike is at up top and the helmet is where landing starts...
Lol lots of massive roots all the way to the landing, it had ruts and vertical as well as a bigger rut which made it perfect for a drop. Found unusable and made it usable.
The dhx 5.0 just got back from Avalanche modded with extended reservoir for the phoenix, the rc4 is on its way back to avy now.
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It's interesting you mention this, because a lot of test riders expressed the same issue with the CCDB on the Sunday many years ago. They couldn't get the rebound 'fast' enough.
Based on your riding notes, it does indeed sound like a refinement of the Sunday and pretty much is in line with what dw once told me. He had a Phoenix proto at the US Open and after a bit of Q&A I said: "So I guess this is like the Sunday version 3.0" and he just looked at me and said "Haha - yeah it is I suppose..."
I haven't had the chance to really rip on one... yet, but I'd be interested to see how the two compare for my own edification.
Sweet build BullCrew!
BTW - the AVY Cart you had fitted to your 40; it converts the chassis to an open bath system, correct? If so, any issues with leaks?
Been a while man, the thing accepts more rider input then the sunday did. They both rip corners extremely which is a great thing, the Sunday would land and occasionally bottom out and no last minute ramp to handle the bigger hit which wasn't a bad thing. I like the last little ramp on the phoenix a bit more its not much but enough that it feels like a little more supple deep into it...It's interesting you mention this, because a lot of test riders expressed the same issue with the CCDB on the Sunday many years ago. They couldn't get the rebound 'fast' enough.
Based on your riding notes, it does indeed sound like a refinement of the Sunday and pretty much is in line with what dw once told me. He had a Phoenix proto at the US Open and after a bit of Q&A I said: "So I guess this is like the Sunday version 3.0" and he just looked at me and said "Haha - yeah it is I suppose..."
I haven't had the chance to really rip on one... yet, but I'd be interested to see how the two compare for my own edification.
Sweet build BullCrew!
BTW - the AVY Cart you had fitted to your 40; it converts the chassis to an open bath system, correct? If so, any issues with leaks?
Make sure your shock has the rebound backed off a little more like a Sunday setting...
Love the way it rides.
The 40 cart is a semi sealed 2 chamber self leveling system with a spring pre load on the oil so no air rampup or orings to increase stiction...you can get the different springs and upper internals to totaly transform certain setting features...
The part with the spring on upper assemble has different spring options and needle options for it internally with it you can tune the blow off or threshold of high speed..this is a work of art tuning and settings. Its a pretty amazing unit.
(The new production models are anodized black on upper tube and lower as well as center adjustment up top is blue now. This was a early unit)
Here's a better link to explain and show it
http://www.avalanchedownhillracing.com/Fox 40/Fox 40 RC.htm
Got the i9s laced up to so e new magic ex721's
They are 20 grams heavier than my flow ex/Hadley combo (i9 hubs are lighter)
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Had a crap ride today, lol haven't ridden something that steep and nasty in a while matched with a really bad trim job on the dirty dans made it feel like I was skating on mud, hit the brakes and the rear would break out and go sideways every time...
Lol pics and video do not do that trail justice, that thing is a beast...
Fred very very nice trail, I need to go back and run it, called schwalbe new tires are on the way...man I told you that step down had wash out written all over it....I think all the rain did was knock down silt and leave all the kitty litter exposed...between that and the cut on my rear tire I'm glad I opted out then you washing out on landing confirmed it....lol
Even with scoping it and riding my pedals and cranks got worked pretty good, that is a very sick run...
Was a good time thanks, we will hit up the other spot and swap runs...
Slapped the avy dhx 5.0 on it performed flawless...
The dhx 5.0 feels poppy in the slow speed and I was a bit concerned about it being to progressive craig said to just ride it and see...WOW I was wrong the poppy feel made it easy to whip around and swap lines but it did not translate to a harsh ride. It blew off on the nasty stuff leveling it out the shock worked flawless..
Its a weird thing suspension sometimes feels weird and not right but when you ride it everything works spot on...
Lol pics and video do not do that trail justice, that thing is a beast...
Fred very very nice trail, I need to go back and run it, called schwalbe new tires are on the way...man I told you that step down had wash out written all over it....I think all the rain did was knock down silt and leave all the kitty litter exposed...between that and the cut on my rear tire I'm glad I opted out then you washing out on landing confirmed it....lol
Even with scoping it and riding my pedals and cranks got worked pretty good, that is a very sick run...
Was a good time thanks, we will hit up the other spot and swap runs...
Slapped the avy dhx 5.0 on it performed flawless...
The dhx 5.0 feels poppy in the slow speed and I was a bit concerned about it being to progressive craig said to just ride it and see...WOW I was wrong the poppy feel made it easy to whip around and swap lines but it did not translate to a harsh ride. It blew off on the nasty stuff leveling it out the shock worked flawless..
Its a weird thing suspension sometimes feels weird and not right but when you ride it everything works spot on...
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Thanks but I can't take credit for that trail. I've seen 2 other people do the same exact thing on the same step-down... like marbles on concrete, glad I didn't get hurt.
Anyways, we'll hit it again, this time no spikes... this is SoCal... gotta ditch those Schwalbe for some real tires... I got an old worn-out DHF that I can throw you, prob hook up better than those spikes!
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Ha. Ha.Thanks but I can't take credit for that trail. I've seen 2 other people do the same exact thing on the same step-down... like marbles on concrete, glad I didn't get hurt.
Anyways, we'll hit it again, this time no spikes... this is SoCal... gotta ditch those Schwalbe for some real tires... I got an old worn-out DHF that I can throw you, prob hook up better than those spikes!
No I called jeff at schwalbe and had some tires shipped down. Going to my big Betty rear muddy marry front. I trimmed the spikes flat on the top center and went and wiggled it around, its a lot stiffer and should have done that beforehand...ohwell....
Yeah just got off the phone with canfield trying to get him down here, told him about it and he's pumped...
I'll look into it I forgot I even had that there...-lol
Its a fun bike for sure...I had been looking at em for a while as well just busy with other things, opportunity came up and I'm glad I jumped on it...
Wow! Apparently not I haven't even thought about that and I would have noticed if there was on today's trail for sure...
When the suspension moves you do not feel the pedals move at all, brake jack wasn't an issue either it was neutral under braking and my feet did not move during the chutes on the brakes.
The bike is detached from suspension and pedal interferences from it, I have literally noticed nothing so far...
This bike is smooth cool for sure!
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