[BadDNA]

This happened at Kingdom Trails in VT, but could just as easily be anywhere else. Don't act like an entitled prick.


Sadly yesterday I had an encounter with a biker that makes me question why we allow access on any of our property...maybe the Burringtons have it right...I’m hoping the biking community proves me wrong.
Overnight a biker (from New York) decided they needed to break our gate to gain access to our parking area. They parked up there, slept in their car and went for a ride like it was no big deal...
Most likely this was done to avoid answering questions about their quarantine.
Fixing the gate is cheap...reaffirming my belief that this is the exception and not the rule is going to be tough.
We are tired of the illegal parking, the sense of entitlement and now the damage to our property. As a mountain biking family we just don’t have any answers for this ongoing behavior.
This is the warning that we shouldn’t have to give.
Respect the trails, respect private property and be good human beings. Rise up to the basic level of respect we all ask from each other.
RIDE WITH GRATITUDE...because when the trails are all closed and land isn’t accessible there will be no coming back from it.

 

[canadmos]

People are just assholes and idiots.

What normal thinking person would break through a locked gate and expect no consequences?

When you see no trespassing signs, it's usually not a good idea to go ahead and trespass.

 

[Sandwich]

I thought the KT thing would blow over after the landowners got some concessions from the KTA organization...now I think this might be the death knell for KT in general. I guess I better get up there before they close for good.

 

[johnbryanpeters]

I thought the KT thing would blow over after the landowners got some concessions from the KTA organization...now I think this might be the death knell for KT in general. I guess I better get up there before they close for good.

I doubt that they'll close for good, but I think it unlikely that I'll return. The strongest attractor for me was being able to put in a forty or fifty mile day without too much retracing of paths.

 

[Sandwich]

you're probably right that they won't close, but even now you cannot complete a top or bottom loop, even on VAST or the fireroads near the river. You're stuck climbing out, heading down the road, then ducking back in....add to that a couple more pissed off landowners who realize they are letting terrible people on their land for nothing, and you're on shaky ground.

I still maintain that the best trails aren't really on darling hill, but it's part of what makes KT so great.

 

[BadDNA]

Yeah, have you seen the map for this season? Darling hill got decimated on both sides of the road.

That said, the White School loops are still pretty fun and there is/will be a connector from town all the way out to East Haven called Flower Brook that looks good for people chasing mileage.

 

[johnbryanpeters]

Yeah, have you seen the map for this season? Darling hill got decimated on both sides of the road.

That said, the White School loops are still pretty fun and there is/will be a connector from town all the way out to East Haven called Flower Brook that looks good for people chasing mileage.

Are there other trails in East Haven?

 

[Adventurous]

I doubt that they'll close for good, but I think it unlikely that I'll return. The strongest attractor for me was being able to put in a forty or fifty mile day without too much retracing of paths.

I need to find more places that offer that kind of mileage without retracing ones steps.

 

[SkaredShtles]

I need to find more places that offer that kind of mileage without retracing ones steps.

You should come out to Colorado. We have lots of that.

 

[Sandwich]

I don't mind repeating trails provided they don't suck. Thankfully much of kt doesn't

 

[johnbryanpeters]

You should come out to Colorado. We have lots of that.

And they can be ridden once a year, maybe.

 

[jonKranked]

having never ridden KT, they should just shut it all down completely for a year or 2 to get the point across.

 

[SkaredShtles]

And they can be ridden once a year, maybe.

 

[BadDNA]

Are there other trails in East Haven?

Right now just the up-down stuff they call Moose Haven. It's good for enduro style laps, but not going to get much mileage out of it before your legs are blown from all the climbing.

 

[johnbryanpeters]

And now, a possible similar development at Green Mountain Trails...

 

[jstuhlman]

And now, a possible similar development at Green Mountain Trails...

tease. gonna need a link or more info...

 

[johnbryanpeters]

From the Green Mountain Trails Facebook page...

"One of my biggest fears surrounding these trails that so many people have worked so hard to build and put on the map came to fruition today. Some riders blundered into some clearly posted private property and instead of apologizing and doing an about face, they chose to berate the landowners. Not just any landowners, but ones that have been so gracious with their property, that there is a trail bearing their name. We are trying our best to make amends, but trail closures could be imminent. Yup, it’s happening again."

 

[Westy]

From the Green Mountain Trails Facebook page...

"One of my biggest fears surrounding these trails that so many people have worked so hard to build and put on the map came to fruition today. Some riders blundered into some clearly posted private property and instead of apologizing and doing an about face, they chose to berate the landowners. Not just any landowners, but ones that have been so gracious with their property, that there is a trail bearing their name. We are trying our best to make amends, but trail closures could be imminent. Yup, it’s happening again."

It has been a long time since I have lived in the North East, I kind of remember there being a lot of giant throbbing assholes. Perhaps I am not too far off.

 

[jonKranked]

From the Green Mountain Trails Facebook page...

"One of my biggest fears surrounding these trails that so many people have worked so hard to build and put on the map came to fruition today. Some riders blundered into some clearly posted private property and instead of apologizing and doing an about face, they chose to berate the landowners. Not just any landowners, but ones that have been so gracious with their property, that there is a trail bearing their name. We are trying our best to make amends, but trail closures could be imminent. Yup, it’s happening again."

see my suggestion

having never ridden KT, they should just shut it all down completely for a year or 2 to get the point across.

 

[canadmos]

Shut down or not, these types of idiots will just ignore it anyway. I mean engaging people on private property? Fuck off and go home, we don't need you in the biking community.

 

[Sandwich]

Shut down or not, these types of idiots will just ignore it anyway. I mean engaging people on private property? Fuck off and go home, we don't need you in the biking community.

quite a shock to have ungrateful trolls in the mtb community. I guess as it grows you get some of those...

 

[Sandwich]

I keep seeing this thread title and can only think of the sandler skit on "respect"

 

[rideit]

I blame Trump.

 

[johnbryanpeters]

see my suggestion

Your suggestion ignores operational realities.

KT has an operations staff - shut down the trail crew and the patrollers for two years and you're not going to fire it back up easily.

Similarly, take Matt away from GMT for the same period and you're not just going to fire back up.

 

[jonKranked]

Your suggestion ignores operational realities.

yes but its petty and vengeful. and it would get the point across.

i certainly get what you're saying regarding logistics. i never thought it'd be feasible, just effective at conveying the message.

 

[SkaredShtles]

I blame Trump.

I suspect this is somewhat tongue-in-cheek... but there's some truth to it. Fuck up? Double-down on your fuck-up and give the person pointing out your fuck-up a bunch of undeserved shit.

This type of SHIT behavior is being modeled.

Goddam a lot of people SUCK.

 

[Jm_]

I keep seeing this thread title and can only think of the sandler skit on "respect"

I'm crippled with it.

 

[OGRipper]

quite a shock to have ungrateful trolls in the mtb community. I guess as it grows you get some of those...

As cycling continues to grow, it's less of a community and more a reflection of society as a whole, and society as a whole has more than enough clueless assholes to go around. Sadly, it's another lesson in "be careful what you wish for".

I grew up in NE but left more than 20 years ago and don't really ever get back, but I've heard good things about the Kingdom Trails and would love to check them out some day. Hope it works out.

 

[StiHacka]

but I've heard good things about the Kingdom Trails

It is popular among the masses for a good reason. Not a single rock to be found for miles and miles.

 

[jstuhlman]

It is popular among the masses for a good reason. Not a single rock to be found for miles and miles.

 

[Pesqueeb]

This type of SHIT behavior is being modeled.

Ding ding.

The "base" has been given permission to let out their Id. The social consequences of this behavior now get a pass by pretending it's political.

 

[Jozz]

I will trendily blame ebikes.

 

[KMBC]

Respect always goes a long way.

 

[Jm_]

Respect always goes a long way.

Unless you are crippled with it.