They’re very, very expensive. 50% failure rate is irrelevant if everyone pays for 2 frames right upfront.
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At least they are well engineered.
To be fair, you could probably ensure reliability by wrapping the frame in Gorilla Tape™
It Sunday arvo and I've been on the post-ride beers a bit so forgive this but why in the fuck aren't at least some major manufacturers taking the geo tech that Pole and Nicolai have been pushing at punching out an affordable and reliable version, even just as an experiment? Like I agree that stuff isn't for everyone, and its not suited to the average punter, but surely its more suited than some of the other niche shit that makes it to production.
The new Commencals are probably the largest manufacturer putting out a rig with those kind of numbers and they still fall a long way short on a couple of metrics. Is it a case of brand reputation or something?
The new Commencals are probably the largest manufacturer putting out a rig with those kind of numbers and they still fall a long way short on a couple of metrics. Is it a case of brand reputation or something?
nicolai is still cheaper than what most companies ask for their carbon frames?
My guess - most of the larger bike companies are selling to bike shops, not end-users. The bike shop business is generally pretty shitty - you essentially buy inventory on credit and hope you'll sell enough to turn a profit during the summer. Bike shops typically avoid anything they worry they may have a hard time selling - i.e. things that are radically different. Direct-to-consumer niche brands don't need to worry about that, plus their small size and comparatively low overhead makes experimentation easier. The big brands can just wait and copy something that takes off or iterate slowly.
This is a double bladed sword, because being "safe" and "conservative" leads to a wall of 100mm+ stems that will never be sold. The trick is predicting the trends and what will be sell-able, but I've seen both sides, the shops that over-extended with "cool stuff" and the ones that were too afraid to break out of what they were used to doing, both out of business.
I get that, but from what I've seen there is a decent demand for the newer geo trends. Over here, the brands that gave that stuff a go sold out faster than the more traditional designs by far.
I guess Trek/Giant etc aren't gonna risk anything too crazy with their volumes and safe market spaces. I just don't know why they don't occasionally throw out a random boundary pushing model now and then to see how it goes. I mean if Trek saw the Stache as a viable model to put out there, surely a Nicolai rip-off could sneak through.
what makes you believe a trek frame would be more „affordable“ than one from nicolai?
Retail pricing might be similar, but there's a waaaaay better chance of getting a deal on a big brand than a Nicolai.
Fair point though. The RRP on the new Stumpjumper Evo frames here is the same as a Santa Cruz, Yeti or Transition.
alu stumpjumper evo was affordable AND from a big brand
1. Experiments are expensive.
2. Super long bikes with super steep STAs and super slack HTAs aren't for everyone, even if the bike media needs you to believe otherwise.
I picture the Daisy Hill carpark full of Geometrons and Privateers and it makes me happy.
Totally underbiked for Daisy with a Geometron.....
Honestly you'd laugh so hard if you saw that place now. It is just an e-bike freeway for corporate types.
Well yeah, but my point is that big brands have such a model spread of weird and wonderful shite that I'm surprised they can't shoehorn in a slightly exciting model in between their full suspension fat-bike singlespeed and their gravel-cross specific upduro flat bar bike.
Obviously I'm pretty out of touch with what is selling worldwide, but can't see why they don't dip their toes a bit more. I guess Spesh did it with the aluminium-at-first approach with the Stumpy EVO, which it has now gone full hog with after they sold well.
And if it was like my E29, non-replicable bearings in the rear horst link part, yay for maximizing profit.
I'm not even sure what that is, but I assume it involves both a tunnel and tolls.
is there a similar post from pole?
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ACTOFIVE® - CNC machined frames on Instagram: "Built to last. The P-TRAIN CNC is ready for the roughest trails out there. It passed the EFBE TRI-TEST®, consisting of the three modules: fatigue tests, maximum load tests and overload test in various load cases. The vertical overload value is 9.000N (≈900 Kg). . Thanks to EFBE Prüftechnik GmbH for giving me the valuable knowledge. . . #actofive #thePtrainCNC #bicycledesign #bicycleengineering #engineering #cncmachining #metznerengineering #bikesmadeingermany #locaproduction #efbe"
1,282 likes, 32 comments - actofive_cycles on December 1, 2020: "Built to last. The P-TRAIN CNC is ready for the roughest trails out there. It passed the EFBE TRI-TEST®, consisting of the three modules: fatigue tests, maximum load tests and overload test in various load cases. The vertical...
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Rear end was not developed to ride in muddy conditions I reckon:is there a similar post from pole?
ACTOFIVE® - CNC machined frames on Instagram: "Built to last. The P-TRAIN CNC is ready for the roughest trails out there. It passed the EFBE TRI-TEST®, consisting of the three modules: fatigue tests, maximum load tests and overload test in various load cases. The vertical overload value is 9.000N (≈900 Kg). . Thanks to EFBE Prüftechnik GmbH for giving me the valuable knowledge. . . #actofive #thePtrainCNC #bicycledesign #bicycleengineering #engineering #cncmachining #metznerengineering #bikesmadeingermany #locaproduction #efbe"
1,282 likes, 32 comments - actofive_cycles on December 1, 2020: "Built to last. The P-TRAIN CNC is ready for the roughest trails out there. It passed the EFBE TRI-TEST®, consisting of the three modules: fatigue tests, maximum load tests and overload test in various load cases. The vertical...
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHx6tapnpLO/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
The bike looks incredibly nice, though.
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Privateer was at least a good deal (was since the price went up) given the parts it had on it.
how much did it went up?
The frame price is the same. The complete was always $3700ish USD so if it went up it was under $100.....
Nope. EU Price was 3100E now is 3900E. 800E Difference
Weird the US price hasn't changed at all I don't think. Or our exchange rate maybe made up the difference?
Ludicrously long lead times on the Privateers currently. My co worker was supposed to have his by now and delivery date just got bumped to June.
When did he order it?
I'll need to ask, but I think 6 to 8 weeks ago. Maybe he was exaggerating as he was trying to justify the Hightower frame he had just purchased instead.
You are looking at the 141, I'm talking about the 161.
still costing £2,989.00 GBP, that’s around 3320 eur right now, mtb-news.de in may said the price would be 3399eur. dunno what you are complaining about again...
Neues Privateer 161: Viel Enduro-Bike für wenig Geld! - MTB-News.de
Das neue Privateer 161 ist ein Vollgas-Enduro-Bike für den schmalen Taler: 161 mm Federweg, 27,5" oder 29", Alu-Rahmen und progressive Geometrie!
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The price on their site is different. UK Price is 2989 GBP but EU Price is not 3330E. Their EU Shop lists the price as 3979still costing £2,989.00 GBP, that’s around 3320 eur right now, mtb-news.de in may said the price would be 3399eur. dunno what you are complaining about again...
Neues Privateer 161: Viel Enduro-Bike für wenig Geld! - MTB-News.de
Das neue Privateer 161 ist ein Vollgas-Enduro-Bike für den schmalen Taler: 161 mm Federweg, 27,5" oder 29", Alu-Rahmen und progressive Geometrie!
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i would guess this is the answer then:
post brexit price
post brexit price