I should neg. rep. you for your level of evilness.In 26 years of driving I've been pulled over by the police 3 times & got a ticket each time.
30 in a school zone and 2 10+ over on a rural highway.
I'm a bad ass rebel.
Police, firefighters and "professional courtesy".
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I wish you worked in my town, the cops hate anyone under 18 in my town, that may be because many of the kids are very spoiled and complete tool bags. Along with the incidents stated in my previous post the cops in my town have wasted my time and tried to get confessions out of me for crimes I didn't even know about. I'm positive that if the Madison Police stopped one of their own for DUI they would let it slide. I'm not a cop hater I just hate the lazy slobs who patrol the streets of wonderful Madison, CT.
Maybe if you paid them more they wouldn't have to steal... just sayin"
Trust me, they get paid more then most towns in CT and they don't do anything from September-May. And I mean they do nothing, most of their time is spent investigating their own for the most recent thing they stole or banged.Maybe if you paid them more they wouldn't have to steal... just sayin"
So in the laws you CHOOSE to enforce, how many of them include the words "to be enforced at the officer's discretion"?
... I'll wait ...
Look, I am not saying that using human judgment in a given situation is a bad thing. I am just stating that it is important to recognize that using your discretion results in an uneven application of the laws. Laws that your elected officials decided were important enough to write in the first place.
From reading your posts, I understand that you recognize this manimal, so don't taze me 'bro...
Even application of rules without discretion is called bureaucracy.
That is all.
That is all.
So you're all for mandatory sentencing?
As long as it doesnt apply to him...
wow..we agree on something?
agreed, discretion does open the doors to ethical issues that robotic cut and dry policing would eliminate. ...but i'd still rather live in a world of human decision than none at all.
I thought this thread was about "professional courtesies" not discretionary law enforcement.
To me there is a difference in that discretionary enforcement is merely a rationalization of professional courtesy.
To me there is a difference in that discretionary enforcement is merely a rationalization of professional courtesy.
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Professional courtesy falls within discretionary enforcement, I'm not particularly fond of professional courtesy in general, but it depends on the cop in question. I'm sure there are some cops that would nail anyone for any reason for blowing a .09, but if it was a cop that did it, they would let them go.
Discretionary enforcement should be more than what the person's occupation is. Professional courtesy is really a case-by-case thing, there are cases where a cop gets off while completely wasted, but if it is a 6 mph speeding ticket and the guy's late picking up his/her kid from school, that's different.
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It goes on in all proffessions folks...it just gets a bad rep in law enforcement.
What if it where in a school zone, 10 over and I was on my way to Starbucks... would you cut me a break?
In their case it's called professional pity.
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Human discretion applies at every other level of the justice system, as well. Prosecutors can unilaterally decline to prosecute any crime for any reason (possibly risking their jobs, I suppose), juries can nullify, discretion can apply at sentencing, etc. It's not only about cops. And it's not only cops who get the benefit of discretion.
I think Sanjuro said it the best, frankly.
But I live in a country where the national police, or people wearing (renting, actually) their uniforms and carrying their weapons commit home invasions with AKs and grenades most nights, so I may not see getting out of a speeding ticket as such an eggregious abuse of power.
Sure, but just because someone else is doing something worse doesn't excuse your own incorrect behavior.
Abuse of power is just that... abuse of power, and when humans have the ability to choose who they enforce the laws upon and in what situations, prejudices will enter into that consideration and that power will be abused. It is simple human nature.
Again, I am not saying that discretion is wrong, just that it is highly subjective. I am mostly beating this dead horse so people understand that the idea that all men are created equal is pure bull****. Some are more equal than others.
I don't think you read me. I didn't say the rest of the justice system was wrong, only that it employs discretion.
Edit: And i didn't read what you quoted.
I was merely making a statement that although the world's not perfect, having the ability to make a big deal over an authority figure getting out of a DUI puts you in a pretty good place in the world, relatively.
Edit: And i didn't read what you quoted.
I was merely making a statement that although the world's not perfect, having the ability to make a big deal over an authority figure getting out of a DUI puts you in a pretty good place in the world, relatively.
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Get used to this early on:
There is no such thing as a rational decision. The closest approximation is a subjective decision tinged with what we call rationality.
Hippie. :biggrin: