PORN....Degrading to women? Bad for Kids?
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I just proved your point rediculous, and this is what you come back with? Get addicted myself? Sorry, Im not that weak minded.pnj said:shirley, your wrong about addictions.
get some, then come back and do some talking on the subject....ink:
WTF are you even talking about? I didnt say that coke and an orgasm affected the body differently. Learn to read.Andyman_1970 said:
And even after you "rephrase" sex can be as addicting as cocaine and a bee sting can be as deadly as a gun shot, but that doesnt make bee stings equal to gun shots becuase it doesnt apply to everyone, or even most people. Being chemically addicted to a substance is a physical matter that would happen to anyone if they took enough. Porn doesnt do that. Therefor CNN, you and PNJ are all wrong.
wow. you get smarter by the post, dont you? Exactly where did I say that Porn addicts dont exist?pnj said:
Ill be waiting on your reply.
shirly you're wrong, they've already explained that the probability of addiction to porn is not necessarily as high as the probability of an addiction to cocaine but it is equally difficult to overcome for one who is predisposed to have the addiction. Calling names and using bitting sarcasm won't make you any more right.
No one has proven a damn thing. The statement was made that "Porn is as addictive as Heroin and Alcohol" and that is completely incorrect.Kornphlake said:
Lets say I take 100 guys and give them heroin every day. Then a hundred guys and show them porn every day.
100% of the Heroin guys WILL have a chemical addiction, a much less % will occur with the porn guys, therefor, Porn is not AS addictive. Its that freaking simple.
uh, not everyone that does smack is addicted.
how long does it take to be addicted to a given substance?
some people are addicted to booze upon their first drink. others drink for years and never get addicted.
google, it's your friend.
how long does it take to be addicted to a given substance?
some people are addicted to booze upon their first drink. others drink for years and never get addicted.
google, it's your friend.
there are a number of variables here, and Im sure you know that, but if you give a person a shot of heroin every day for 6 months, they WILL be chemically dependant upon that to some level. The addiction WILL be there. Now some may overcome it more easily than others, but that is not the point. Porn does not work like this. Its not as addictive.pnj said:
Google all day long and you wont come up with anything substantial telling me that porn is AS addictive as Heroin, which, if you remember, was your original claim.
You're right if you show 100 guys porn for 10 days straight maybe 80% will have an addiction, if you give a group of 100 guys heroin every day for 10 days straight maybe 95% will have an addiction, I really don't know I'm not going to take the time to search for actual numbers, and frankly I'd be suprised if actual numbers existed as heroin is an illegal drug. I'd expect the addictive properties of heroin to be slightly higer than for porn, but the dependance (which is the word that escaped me in my previous post) for either is the same, as it triggers the same reaction in the brain, rather the trigger is chemical or mental.BurlyShirley said:
I dont think your numbers are even REMOTELY close for one, but also, the dependence is not the same. Please explain porn withdrawls to me.Kornphlake said:
There is a difference between chemical addiction and psychological addiction, as any good pothead knows. Porn is quite obviously a psychological addiction as is pot, whereas herion and alcohol are chemical addictions. The point that "porn is as addictive as herion" is refering to the fact that some people are born predisposed to addictions, and for these people it may only take one shot or one magazine to start a lifelong addiction. The addictive gene seems to affect both kinds of addiction, which is why alcoholism tends to run in families. I havent seen any info on whether or not porn/sex addiction is hereditary, but certianly it is a topic that has recieved much less study than drug and alcohol addiction (anyone a psych major? here's a good study).
Im not trying to deny that Porn is addictive at all. What bothers me is the assertion that, since it is, its as equally dangerous as heroin or something which as we all should be able to see, completely rediculous. People dont overdose of porn and die. Its not dangerous. People get addicted to all kinds of things in this world, that doesnt mean its as bad as heroin. Some people get addicted to the computer, should they outlaw those too? Are the mental shortcomings of a few, reason enough to ban something that is by and large harmless to the masses? Is that any reason to paint it as some form of heroin of the soul?TheInedibleHulk said:
No. Absolutely not.
You're right, I wasnt really disagreeing with you just throwing some info out there.
um, this may well be true since there are only a handful (or two handfuls) of neurotransmitters, but it's an empty statement. nerves fire, and release neurotransmitters when they synapse on their target. big deal.Andyman_1970 said:
ok, this statement goes a bit farther. please provide a reference. i'm interested in reading about this research.Andyman_1970 said:
i have read that cocaine addicts often have sexual dysfunction, but making the jump from that to your statement requires much more evidence, as lots of things cause sexual dysfunction, such as depression.
now this kind of statement definitely needs a reference, from a peer-reviewed journal. it is outrageous.Kornphlake said:
i think you have the correct "handle" on the situation here.... hehegschuette said:
seriously porn is not that big of a deal, but those that rely on it for their sexual pleasure i do feel sorry for. i think of it like the fast food of sexuality.
as far as addiction is concerned i believe people are susceptible to obsessive/compulsive behavior in porn, just as drugs, and church too. People incapable of balancing certain aspects of self and abuse a medium to compensate. it's pretty simple stuff but complicated because everybody is different, and usually you are your own worst judge if you are immersed within an addiction.
as far as exploiting women. yes i believe it's a form of exploitation, but let's understand that this exploitation is variable. The level would be on par with my job in my opinion. As i sit here coughing from the hot tar i choked on all day, my pockets are lined, and somebody has to do it. We pay young men to go out and die, noble or not, while we live to jerk off to some porn vid. Tell me THAT isn't exploitation of some kind. It's all in how you look at it, but ulitimately we all choose what job we have.
Slavery is when you don't have a choice.
Andyman_1970 said:
I am pro-porn and pro womens equality. I don't see it (as a whole) being degrading to women.Andyman_1970 said:
I also don't see supporting both being a contradiction. If one sees women in porn as mere "objects" then your theory may hold true, but that is not the case for everyone. I personally don't see them as objects. They are actors and acrtresses putting on a show for the audience to enjoy.
Sex seems to bring jout such a negative vibe out of people that I just don't understand. It's a perfectly natural activity to partake in that doesn't have to be "dirty" or "degrading" or "immoral"....people should just relax and "enjoy the ride"
me - raises handAndyman_1970 said:
Also, Velocity Girl, wanna come over?
Isn't being pro-porn similar to being pro-women's equality in a way? If you are pro-women's equality then you feel that they should be able to do anything that a man can do, or that men used to only do. Didn't it used to be (some time ago) that men were the center of everyone's attention and were seen as the sex symbols of society....now women are achieving greater sexual freedoms, and it is the woman's choice if she wants to express that freedom in front of millions of porno-gazers.
So I feel that being pro-porn is, in a way, the same as being pro-women's equality and vice versa.
So I feel that being pro-porn is, in a way, the same as being pro-women's equality and vice versa.
As for kids, it is something they will learn/hear about sometime in life, and the action itself is natural, (although some porno flix show some stuff that doens't seem natural sometimes), but the society as a whole should attempt to not make porn readily available for younger children to stumble across, and legal restrictions on distribution, as there currently are.
Andyman_1970 said:
speak for yourself.
I read the first 1/3 or so of this post, then things seemed to start repeating themselves, so here's my thoughts...
Porn is degrating to women just the same way it is to men. The difference is the societal (is that even a word???) sterotypes... women are sluts, men are studs. THAT'S the difference. And that's not an issue with the industry, that's an issue with society - much the same way (though on a different scale), men aren't supposed to cry, talk about feelings, etc.
BTW - I am pro-equal rights/women's equality/whatever you want to call it, and I do go to hooters. I also have no problems with dancers/stippers/etc. (male or female). I just choose not to look at the males, but that's due to my hetero nature... not some double standard.
Consider Jenna Jamison. She made a conscience decision to sell her body via the porn industy. She is ok with that, as is her husband. She has proved to be tremendously successful marketer and business person. She is running damn near an empire... much the same way George Steinbrenner is with the Yankees. Every chick in porn wants to be her, every person in porn want to bang her. Remember back in high school the captain of the football team or the captain of the cheerleaders... the prom king/queen... who ever it was at your school - that's what Jenna is now.
She hasn't cheated any one. She hasn't scammed or lied to get to where she is. She had sex. That was her business. I'm not saying it's highly moral... but I'm not saying she should be condemmed for it either. Hell - IMO, she was pretty damned smart. She saw a product that had massive appeal and she marketed the crap out of it and sold it. Now she's got more money than she knows what to do with and is running an empire. To me, that's a successful business person.
Porn is degrating to women just the same way it is to men. The difference is the societal (is that even a word???) sterotypes... women are sluts, men are studs. THAT'S the difference. And that's not an issue with the industry, that's an issue with society - much the same way (though on a different scale), men aren't supposed to cry, talk about feelings, etc.
BTW - I am pro-equal rights/women's equality/whatever you want to call it, and I do go to hooters. I also have no problems with dancers/stippers/etc. (male or female). I just choose not to look at the males, but that's due to my hetero nature... not some double standard.
Consider Jenna Jamison. She made a conscience decision to sell her body via the porn industy. She is ok with that, as is her husband. She has proved to be tremendously successful marketer and business person. She is running damn near an empire... much the same way George Steinbrenner is with the Yankees. Every chick in porn wants to be her, every person in porn want to bang her. Remember back in high school the captain of the football team or the captain of the cheerleaders... the prom king/queen... who ever it was at your school - that's what Jenna is now.
She hasn't cheated any one. She hasn't scammed or lied to get to where she is. She had sex. That was her business. I'm not saying it's highly moral... but I'm not saying she should be condemmed for it either. Hell - IMO, she was pretty damned smart. She saw a product that had massive appeal and she marketed the crap out of it and sold it. Now she's got more money than she knows what to do with and is running an empire. To me, that's a successful business person.
why dont you read the rest of the posts I made? That should clear it up for you.scurban said:
BUT on the other hand, you have to ask yourself that all-important question:
Would you want your daughter in porn? **** No.
Maybe that means something.
Would you want your daughter in porn? **** No.
Maybe that means something.
Ooh. I bet she'd be hot.ohio said:
I AM PORN-HOLIO!!!! NEED T.P. FROM MY JIZ HOLE!
jizzzzzzhole....
jizzzzzzhole....
Without porn the internet would not have grown nearly as fast as it has - I read somewhere a few years ago that the overwelming majority of search terms were sex related... anyhow, don't kill babies. Its not cool.
You know, we've had a lot of fun here tonight. But you know what's not funny?
Killin' strippers.
See, strippers are people too. Naked people, who may be willing to pleasure you for a price you determine later behind the doors of a V.I.P. room.
Besides, there's no need to kill 'em. 'Cause most of 'em are already dead inside.
~The Family Guy
Killin' strippers.
See, strippers are people too. Naked people, who may be willing to pleasure you for a price you determine later behind the doors of a V.I.P. room.
Besides, there's no need to kill 'em. 'Cause most of 'em are already dead inside.
~The Family Guy
This doesn't really deal with the topic directly, but I thought the story was too good not to tell people I don't even know.
Last week friends invited me out for dinner at 9pm. I show up, they're already eating, I patiently wait for the waitress to show up. A few minutes pass until finally I hear the waitress over my shoulder ask me what I want to drink. I turn around to ask for a drink and get out "I'll have a Vod....." I knew this girl from somewhere, but where? I spend the next several minutes racking my brain. College, no. biking, no. Friend of a friend, no. Finally it dawns on me. That porn DVD my buddy 'loaned' me, that's where I know this chick. Turns out her name is Serena South. WTF is she doing waiting tables in MY brewery??!! Of course, I spent the rest of the night overtly checking her out and fantasizing about various scenarios.
I forgot to ask if she felt degraded, but if you guys want, I'll go in tonight and ask.
Last week friends invited me out for dinner at 9pm. I show up, they're already eating, I patiently wait for the waitress to show up. A few minutes pass until finally I hear the waitress over my shoulder ask me what I want to drink. I turn around to ask for a drink and get out "I'll have a Vod....." I knew this girl from somewhere, but where? I spend the next several minutes racking my brain. College, no. biking, no. Friend of a friend, no. Finally it dawns on me. That porn DVD my buddy 'loaned' me, that's where I know this chick. Turns out her name is Serena South. WTF is she doing waiting tables in MY brewery??!! Of course, I spent the rest of the night overtly checking her out and fantasizing about various scenarios.
I forgot to ask if she felt degraded, but if you guys want, I'll go in tonight and ask.
have you guys all seen the girl next door? it's quite funny and on topic.
rm review thread on it: http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95798
rm review thread on it: http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95798