[sanjuro]

And to cover my ass:

Chinese American Citizens Alliance (based in SF):
C.A.C.A. KATRINA RECOVERY FUNDS URGENTLY NEEDED (great acronym, btw).

http://www.cacanational.org/2005-katrina-fund.html

 

[Andyman_1970]

While both Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton embarass me (they consider themselves Christians) - it was very interesting to see Sean Penn out really helping people, in the trenches as it were............

 

[Andyman_1970]

Westboro Bapist Church: Thank God for Katrina. New Orleans, symbol of America, seen for what it is: a putrid, toxic, stinking cesspool of fag fecal matter.
http://www.godhatesfags.com/featured/20050831_thank-god-for-katrina.html

I wish Jesus would do His clearing the Temple "kung fu" on these folks...........

 

[N8 v2.0]

You liberal morons do realize that the majority of southern black folk have very strong ties to their (mostly baptist) churches. Their church and their everyday lives are totally entwined with each other. They happen to enjoy living their lives this way.

So, are you really a racist..???

 

[Westy]

You liberal morons do realize that the majority of southern black folk have very strong ties to their (mostly baptist) churches. Their church and their everyday lives are totally entwined with each other. They happen to enjoy living their lives this way.

So, are you really a racist..???

Who are you talking to?

I don't think anyone here was blasting the church and their work, just tearing apart a fake email that completely ignored facts motivated by purely political reasons. Your observation clearly explains why from a casual observation so much releif effort was done by churches, it is an integral part of the region. I think it is great when you actually try to think and generate original thoughts, you just may want to try and have them make more sense.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Who are you talking to?

I don't think anyone here was blasting the church and their work, just tearing apart a fake email that completely ignored facts motivated by purely political reasons. Your observation clearly explains why from a casual observation so much releif effort was done by churches, it is an integral part of the region. I think it is great when you actually try to think and generate original thoughts, you just may want to try and have them make more sense.

Blasting churches/christianity on this board is a almost hourly liberal pastime on here.

It so bad, that I feel sorry for those who are religious and I'm an avowed heathen.

 

[Andyman_1970]

Blasting churches/christianity on this board is a almost hourly liberal pastime on here.

While some of it is justified (see Pat Robertson) it does get a bit old, althought I have built up quite a tolerance to it thanks to the PD forum.

I chalk it up to general ignorance of what Christianity is really all about and a few very visible individuals who totally skew the perception.

 

[Westy]

Blasting churches/christianity on this board is a almost hourly liberal pastime on here.

It so bad, that I feel sorry for those who are religious and I'm an avowed heathen.

I'll admit it does get bad here, and I feel bad about it too but only because there are not any hardcore prostheletisers(sp?) that post here. At least from my experiences my church bashing comes from a lifetime of having people from the church try and cram their ideas down my throat. From getting cornered by people at work, door to door preaching and when I was a kid getting invited by friends families to go water skiing or similar activities that actually turned into locked door day long soul saving sessions. Legally I can choose to believe whatever I want but in certain areas society does not seem to allow this. I have had neighbors tell me I am going to hell when I politely turned down their invitations to go to church. The original post in this thread basically insinuates that non-Christians are bad people. Personally I am sick of it and have no problems bashing organizations that bash my beliefs.

 

[DirtyDog]

I'll admit it does get bad here, and I feel bad about it too but only because there are not any hardcore prostheletisers(sp?) that post here. At least from my experiences my church bashing comes from a lifetime of having people from the church try and cram their ideas down my throat. From getting cornered by people at work, door to door preaching and when I was a kid getting invited by friends families to go water skiing or similar activities that actually turned into locked door day long soul saving sessions. Legally I can choose to believe whatever I want but in certain areas society does not seem to allow this. I have had neighbors tell me I am going to hell when I politely turned down their invitations to go to church. The original post in this thread basically insinuates that non-Christians are bad people. Personally I am sick of it and have no problems bashing organizations that bash my beliefs.

Yup. If goddies would get out of our business we wouldnt be criticizing them.

 

[Westy]

Yup. If goddies would get out of our business we wouldnt be criticizing them.

I have no problems with the 99% of them that leave me alone. I wouldn't harbour and ill feeling for the organizations as a whole if they didn't encourage the actions of the 1% that drive me nuts, not to mention forcing their hands in the political world. How many people have been elected on single issues such as abortion that never have had any actual affect on such issues, answer: a whole bunch.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Yup. If goddies would get out of our business we wouldnt be criticizing them.

Generally the other way around on here.

 

[Westy]

Generally the other way around on here.

Aren't we here to discuss world politics and not RM politics?

 

[N8 v2.0]

Aren't we here to discuss world politics and not RM politics?

Translation: The US/Bush sucks, all non-anglo non-christian countries good...

 

[Westy]

Bush sucks

Fixed neaky:

 

[N8 v2.0]

Fixed neaky:

Don't forget Wal-Mart!!!!!

 

[Slugman]

I'm really a racist.

Fixed.

Blasting churches/christianity on this board is a almost hourly liberal pastime on here.

It so bad, that I feel sorry for those who are religious and I'm an avowed heathen.

Did you even read what you posted... it's an attack on non-christian and liberal (albiet 'misguided') black leaders. So what do you expect to happen...

It was great troll that resulted in plenty of responses, but don't act like it's others that are on the attack - you're post (which has been pretty much shown to be BS ReichWing propaganda) was the attack.

 

[Andyman_1970]

At least from my experiences my church bashing comes from a lifetime of having people from the church try and cram their ideas down my throat. From getting cornered by people at work, door to door preaching and when I was a kid getting invited by friends families to go water skiing or similar activities that actually turned into locked door day long soul saving sessions.

It’s sad to hear tales like that. Deception and high pressure sales is not what the Gospel is all about. I absolutely hate presentations of the Gospel where the word “vacuum” can be substituted for “Jesus” and it fundamentally not change the presentation.

Please know these are not accurate representations of what the whole Jesus deal is all about.

I have had neighbors tell me I am going to hell when I politely turned down their invitations to go to church.

Interestingly Jesus never presents the Gospel in this kind of language – He never says “you don’t want to go to Hell do you?” – He always frames it as the best way to live, as a way of life, not as an alternative to being “extra crispy”.

The sad thing is most Christians (at least evangelical ones and especially fundamentalists) either choose to ignore this fact or are ignorant of it. Which flies in the face of additional Scripture which say “test everything hold on to the good” instead of just swallowing uncritically what the pastor spouts on a Sunday morning.

A question for you would be: once you declined their offer did your neighbors treat you different?

Legally I can choose to believe whatever I want but in certain areas society does not seem to allow this.

You sure can. Jesus when asked by the rich young dude how one inherits eternal life answers in a way the rich young dude doesn’t want to hear and walks off – Jesus didn’t chase him, Jesus didn’t send a visitation team after him, Jesus didn’t say “Hey you know if you don’t follow me you’re going to Hell” – Jesus let this guy make his own decision.

The original post in this thread basically insinuates that non-Christians are bad people.

The funny thing is, that the Paul says in Romans 2 that even those who don’t know God sometimes do what is required by the Torah – so the idea that non-Christians are “bad” is not totally Biblically accurate. Once again we have a “wonderful” case of as I like to call it “cut and paste” theology…………

 

[Westy]

It’s sad to hear tales like that. Deception and high pressure sales is not what the Gospel is all about. I absolutely hate presentations of the Gospel where the word “vacuum” can be substituted for “Jesus” and it fundamentally not change the presentation.

Please know these are not accurate representations of what the whole Jesus deal is all about.



Interestingly Jesus never presents the Gospel in this kind of language – He never says “you don’t want to go to Hell do you?” – He always frames it as the best way to live, as a way of life, not as an alternative to being “extra crispy”.

The sad thing is most Christians (at least evangelical ones and especially fundamentalists) either choose to ignore this fact or are ignorant of it. Which flies in the face of additional Scripture which say “test everything hold on to the good” instead of just swallowing uncritically what the pastor spouts on a Sunday morning.

A question for you would be: once you declined their offer did your neighbors treat you different?



You sure can. Jesus when asked by the rich young dude how one inherits eternal life answers in a way the rich young dude doesn’t want to hear and walks off – Jesus didn’t chase him, Jesus didn’t send a visitation team after him, Jesus didn’t say “Hey you know if you don’t follow me you’re going to Hell” – Jesus let this guy make his own decision.



The funny thing is, that the Paul says in Romans 2 that even those who don’t know God sometimes do what is required by the Torah – so the idea that non-Christians are “bad” is not totally Biblically accurate. Once again we have a “wonderful” case of more as I like to call it “cut and paste” theology…………

Good stuff as usual Andy. We need more people around like you.

 

[reflux]

Good stuff as usual Andy. We need more people around like you.

 

[sanjuro]

You liberal morons do realize that the majority of southern black folk have very strong ties to their (mostly baptist) churches. Their church and their everyday lives are totally entwined with each other. They happen to enjoy living their lives this way.

So, are you really a racist..???

The email you posted was a bit silly. Yes, the ACLU is not opening their war chest for Katrina relief, and I have not heard from Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton about Katrina. Can you pick some more random organizations or personalities?

As for my racism, that is another discussion.

 

[MMike]

The email you posted was a bit silly. Yes, the ACLU is not opening their war chest for Katrina relief, and I have not heard from Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton about Katrina. Can you pick some more random organizations or personalities?

As for my racism, that is another discussion.

SPCA? NTSB? PLO? FLQ? NAMBLA?

 

[Westy]

SPCA? NTSB? PLO? FLQ? NAMBLA?

WTF? LOL? ROTFLMAO? STFU?

 

[Andyman_1970]

Good stuff as usual Andy. We need more people around like you.

: thanks.................

I’m just trying to do my part (even if it’s just one or two people here or there) to change the perception that a very vocal and very misguided minority have put forward.

 

[Westy]

: thanks.................

I’m just trying to do my part (even if it’s just one or two people here or there) to change the perception that a very vocal and very misguided minority have put forward.

I understand the difference between what the faith is supposed to be like and what certain groups/individuals have turned it into. My mother was a pretty devout Christain, when she came to this country she was horrified by what she heard in most churches.

 

[Andyman_1970]

My mother was a pretty devout Christain, when she came to this country she was horrified by what she heard in most churches.

Sadly I'm not surprised. We American evangelical/fundamentalist have created a unique animal as far as sect's of Christianity go.

 

[freeridekid]

my dad is very atheist and liberal and he left our nice 4,000 sq. ft house to sleep on a navy ship off new orleans so he could help. he's been gone for two weeks and counting, and hasn't complained a bit. this is all after donating a few hundred dollars and sending a whole costco-load of food supplies.