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Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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One of those streets is just one block next to me. Kind of annoying when trying to avoid people and the city is channeling them into your back yard.

Will be nice post Covid I guess. But will not make much difference, with street parking on both sides and only one lane for two way traffic it was a pain to drive down and there are main thoroughfares on either side.
 
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canadmos

Cake Tease
May 29, 2011
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New temporary bike lanes are being put up around some parts of Toronto.

I've heard news that bike lanes and paths that were under proposal before shit hit the fan are going to be pushed through in the near future.

 

CrabJoe StretchPants

Reincarnated Crab Walking Head Spinning Bruce Dick
Nov 30, 2003
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I'm hoping WFH becomes much more the norm, or at least the option to if the type of work at any given time allows. If I'm just doing number crunching or writing reports, I can spend the hour I'd otherwise be in the car doing so. And in my underwear. And drunk.
 

eaterofdog

ass grabber
Sep 8, 2006
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People are going to realize they've been working their asses off for shit they didn't really need and no longer want. They've been driving us like dogs for decades.
 

CrabJoe StretchPants

Reincarnated Crab Walking Head Spinning Bruce Dick
Nov 30, 2003
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People are going to realize they've been working their asses off for shit they didn't really need and no longer want. They've been driving us like dogs for decades.
I don't know about that...in fact, probably the opposite, at least for me. Being home so much has made me realize how many toys/gadgets I enjoy having, that otherwise go unappreciated or underutilized when the typical work/family grind is going on. Guitars, patio furniture, sporting goods stuff, etc.

Which is, of course, sad in its own way.
 

mykel

closer to Periwinkle
Apr 19, 2013
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I might be pessimistic, but I'm pretty sure everything will be back the same within a year.
Naw, I don't think so. I think it will be worse. There will be more power and money consolidated in fewer hands. If that makes you pessimistic, then what am I?
 

jdcamb

Tool Time!
Feb 17, 2002
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Yeah, I like the taste of sourdough a lot. I am not saying I won't be baking regular pizza, but I will be making a few sourdough pizzas/breads each month.

A realist?
The effort to cultivate enough Yeast to add to your reward seems faulty based on my experience.
 

StiHacka

Compensating for something
Jan 4, 2013
21,560
12,508
In hell. Welcome!
The effort to cultivate enough Yeast to add to your reward seems faulty based on my experience.
I have an active starter that will grow fast when I feed it and keep it warm. The only complication with sourdough is that you have to plan ahead - I started with the dough today for a pizza I will make tomorrow.
 

canadmos

Cake Tease
May 29, 2011
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Naw, I don't think so. I think it will be worse. There will be more power and money consolidated in fewer hands. If that makes you pessimistic, then what am I?
It's already happening....

If there wasnt a pandemic, just look at what's happening...

We all have to walk the same direction no matter where we go...
You get looked at weird if you even so much as sneeze or sniffle in public...
We're being aligned and represented by numbers at work places...
Police and bylaw officers are timing you how long you stop for and other things...

Pretty soon the government is going to extend the election periods... they will delay and delay until everyone conforms...

Before you know it, crop dusters are overhead spraying everyone, everyone is assimilated into one being, everyone has a bar code...

Oh shit...I better take off my tin foil hat.

But seriously, I dont know what will happen. I work in the auto industry and I'd be an idiot if i wasnt scared that shit could flip and sink into the ocean in the near or far future. The government will continue to bail us out, but where is that money going to come from?

How will our government continue to pay for police and fire fighter salaries that are in excess of 110k per year?

How will they support our health care?

How will they support the common folk who cant find a job?

Putting down this beer now...

:tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil:
 

AngryMetalsmith

Business is good, thanks for asking
Jun 4, 2006
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Yeah........sorry about that.

But outside is not good right now.
Yup, the outdoors are currently occupied with obvious non-outside people.

Since you don't post in the Lounge often and probably didn't see the thread, I was supposed to start a thru hike of the Appalachian Trail on April 10. So now I've got 5 months to twiddle mah thumbs...indoors.
 

kidwoo

Artisanal Tweet Curator
Yup, the outdoors are currently occupied with obvious non-outside people.

Since you don't post in the Lounge often and probably didn't see the thread, I was supposed to start a thru hike of the Appalachian Trail on April 10. So now I've got 5 months to twiddle mah thumbs...indoors.
I'd honestly be torn. On one had it's the PERFECT year to do it. Just ignore the chaos that happens in this failed state.

But the problem is you have to drop into towns to get food..and will subjected to possibly worse chaos out of your control.

I'd probably do it if you'd already had it in mind. You can buy cattle prods.
 

AngryMetalsmith

Business is good, thanks for asking
Jun 4, 2006
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I'd honestly be torn. On one had it's the PERFECT year to do it. Just ignore the chaos that happens in this failed state.

But the problem is you have to drop into towns to get food..and will subjected to possibly worse chaos out of your control.

I'd probably do it if you'd already had it in mind. You can buy cattle prods.
My parents are in their 80s and one is disabled. Can't leave them to fend for themselves during this. I was working feverishly towards my goal of starting NOBO in April up until about 3 weeks prior to the start date when the shit hit the fan and I decided to pull the plug.

Angry's hiking thread

I'd love to have a cattle prod for grocery shopping. Almost no one respects 6 feet and fewer wear masks.
 

ICEBALL585

Bacontard
Sep 8, 2009
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My dept at work has already decided that we're gonna switch to WFH from this point on. The company is looking into that option for many other depts as well. Less gas and wear & tear on my car means more money in the bank. Plus won't need after school care for our son. So I guess there is a slight silver lining for me during all this craziness.

Just hope that once things go back to normalish that all the dog walkers stay off our mtb trails again :disgust:
 
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Muddy

ancient crusty bog dude
Jul 7, 2013
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Once possible, it'd be a given some of the US Population will migrate away from this period of political gridlock at the cost of lives and everyone's future. Much more ugliness on the way. State Level political ads recently in Florida are abhorrent and check all the boxes for massive depression era looming on the horizon.
I'd like to prepare for the exact opposite. The goon acting as President never demonstrated abilities to provide a future for anyone and, now we're all the same. Literally - everyone on the damned planet is now exposed to the elements yet this has to be accepted as the response?

Long Term Change is Trump last day in Office and the entire Trump Clan gets to be first in the Secret Service driverless motorcade stretch-Tesla and it drives into a brick wall at Ludacris Speed.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Commercial aviation as we know it is a dead industry walking, and I'll be for realz unemployed by this time next year.







I'm not convinced either of those things are bad.
 
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dump

Turbo Monkey
Oct 12, 2001
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I might be pessimistic, but I'm pretty sure everything will be back the same within a year.
Meanwhile, with all the noise about restarting, Quebec infections and deaths accelerate.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
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Why is that? Tell us more.
Well, at least in the US, baring significant amounts of socialism for the rich government bail outs, the industry pretty much has no cash on hand after years of significant accounting fuckery. I happen to work for the airline that is currently "best" positioned with current cash on hand to operate for just slightly less than a year, but our business model is such that our fate is significantly tied to the fates of the more "major" carriers. TSA reported a 96% drop in travelers last month. Every airline is parking significant portions of it's fleet. Every major carrier is already saying out lout that after they throw off the shackles of the CARES act in mid September, the layoff canon goes brrrrrrr........ Barring SIGNIFICANT change for the positive in the next quarter I fully expect every major carrier to enter bankruptcy by the end of the year. Air travel might still exist when this is over, but it will be almost unrecognizable.
 

dump

Turbo Monkey
Oct 12, 2001
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Seems pretty stable to me, at a too high level I admit. But what is the alternative?
Numbers do not seem stable to me, unless stable means not slowing down. An alternative would be to figure out how to live with this long term. Flinging the doors open seems unwise and will likely lead us back to where we are now. In Montreal, the « opening » dates have been pushed back repeatedly. I’m wondering if the government used to work in the bike industry. Two more weeks...
 

Jozz

Joe Dalton
Apr 18, 2002
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Numbers do not seem stable to me, unless stable means not slowing down. An alternative would be to figure out how to live with this long term. Flinging the doors open seems unwise and will likely lead us back to where we are now. In Montreal, the « opening » dates have been pushed back repeatedly. I’m wondering if the government used to work in the bike industry. Two more weeks...
Stable does mean not slowing down. 100 deaths, 1000 cases. Facts are that almost all cases are in old folks home. Those should be the priority. The amount of deaths for people below 70 is, for a lack of a better word, negligible.

Finding a way to live with it, is living with it. It's a first for our governments to deal with this situation. Mistakes were made and will be made, over and over. Hopefully the repercussions of those mistakes will be socially acceptable. In the end, it is to each of us to take the necessary (to the amount of each fear level) precautions when we go about our daily lives. One day there will be a vaccine, or maybe not (not vaccine were ever effective against any for of coronavirus).
 

dump

Turbo Monkey
Oct 12, 2001
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Stable does mean not slowing down. 100 deaths, 1000 cases. Facts are that almost all cases are in old folks home. Those should be the priority. The amount of deaths for people below 70 is, for a lack of a better word, negligible.

Finding a way to live with it, is living with it. It's a first for our governments to deal with this situation. Mistakes were made and will be made, over and over. Hopefully the repercussions of those mistakes will be socially acceptable. In the end, it is to each of us to take the necessary (to the amount of each fear level) precautions when we go about our daily lives. One day there will be a vaccine, or maybe not (not vaccine were ever effective against any for of coronavirus).
In Montreal, the majority of deaths have been in old age homes as you state. This is shifting however and there is a lot of community and unknown transmission happening.

What puzzles me is: we are in a state of confinement, there is a certain infection and death rate, we don’t have a handle on transmission, we haven’t seen a dip, we are going to leave the state of confinement.

My question is, how do we do that without making the situation worse? Are people properly informed? If it does get worse, does it land us back into a state of confinement? If it does get worse, are we saying we are ok with that situation and can handle the repercussions?

There is a level of individual choice here, but we also live in a society where my actions affect others.

Just checked the news and there is a new report out echoing my concerns: https://www.ledevoir.com/politique/montreal/578638/un-deconfinement-a-haut-risque-pour-le-grand-montreal