i lub my rwd . . . but one wonders what that would look like with AWD/winter tires vs. RWD/winter tires. rwd can always to MOAR DONUTS and get MOAR SIDEWAYS though! 
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AWD would win, but stopping at turning would be the same. At the end of the day a car that can go faster but stops and turns the same when conditions suck isn't the best idea. Whenever we get snow around here the ditches are full of people with subarus and AWD SUVs. Just because you can get out of your driveway doesn't mean you should.i lub my rwd . . . but one wonders what that would look like with AWD/winter tires vs. RWD/winter tires. rwd can always to MOAR DONUTS and get MOAR SIDEWAYS though!
Snow tires rule by the way. They also work better in good condition winter driving, rubber compound has better traction at lower temps.
I pulled a guy out of a ditch twice in 25 feet when I drove tow truck. He was in a lifted Dodge Ram 3500 rolling 22's and street tires. He said "Dodge doesn't know how to build a truck for snow", I said, "No, you don't". And he sure as hell couldn't drive. 
I know fuck all about snow driving (and fat snow biking for that matter), but I would've assumed an AWD car equipped with said snow rubber could turn better in theory if the front wheels didn't slip as much.
Yes if you were accelerating around said corner. AWD would handle much better for performance applications but for driving in snow on public roads, don't accelerate around said corners. AWD would also climb hills better, but will not descend any better. Most folks are better off not going up hills that they can not descend in a controllable manner..
This assuming that a 2wd car has a good traction/stability control system. AWD in its own adds a level of stability as it shouldn't allow any wheel to spin much faster than others which can happen cornering on patchy ice.
So basically for just getting around in bad weather there isn't really much of an advantage with AWD, it in fact can allow you to get in trouble quicker. If you want to go hoon in the snow. AWD all day. But all the soccer moms thinking they need AWD so they can stay home with the kids on snow days are much much better off with good winter tires. My 2WD GTI is much more capable in bad weather with its snow tires than my old WRX was with all seasons.
4wd trucks and SUV can handle better in the snow with all seasons due to their sheer weight and the fact that truck tires often have more open and off-roady tread patterns.
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But bikes are all about going downhill in an uncontrollable manner, and why those 2wd bikes are dumb
Counterpoint: How many soccer moms have done this in their kid-haulers?
Most modern "SUVs" are really station wagons with AWD, so even if said moms had the inclination they couldn't do this.
I agree with Westy wrt utility of winter tires, though. I have Nokians planned for next winter.
Most modern "SUVs" are really station wagons with AWD, so even if said moms had the inclination they couldn't do this.
I agree with Westy wrt utility of winter tires, though. I have Nokians planned for next winter.
did something very similar with a 15 passenger van while in Sedona a few years ago. It was priceless to see the faces of all those tourists who had rented their pink jeeps thinking they were hardcore passed by a bunch of bikers in a white, rear wheel drive 15 passenger van. I wouldn't have driven it, but my buddy is quite experienced, and we were with a local guide who knew the lines, which made it possible...Counterpoint: How many soccer moms have done this in their kid-haulers?
Most modern "SUVs" are really station wagons with AWD, so even if said moms had the inclination they couldn't do this.
I agree with Westy wrt utility of winter tires, though. I have Nokians planned for next winter.
gotta agree with you about the SUV's though: glorified station wagons. I have one, and what I really wanted was a station wagon, but there are few options out there.
I Hooned a rental minivan on some dirt roads going to the 24 hours of pueblo years ago. The roads were navigable for road cars, but not at 60mph. I pinch flatted both front tires going through a wash.
A fate every single one of those hateful vehicles should have met.
Parking lot of a Phish show in Las Vegas, broke the trunk latch on a Chrysler Cirrus trying to smash beer bottles by slamming the boot lid on them. The only way to keep the trunk closed was to tie an empty handle of tequila to it as a counter weight (was my rental but I was not driving). Every time I hit a bump the trunk bounced open displaying the bottle.
you can do that road with most compact suvs.... might even be able to squeeze it out of a FWD suv.
some of my mellow "off-road" on some of the soccer-mom steeds i´ve had thru the last few years...
this one was 4wd
did this road several times...
on this (2wd)
ocasionally, it ended like this (flimsy tires had a penchant for pinch flats)
heck, even the good ol´ yaris I had back in the day; was up for stuff like that (40+ miles of this, btw)
i once drove said yaris in the roads pictured above too, btw. didnt get a picture though.
now, this is the truck i use for "true" off road. (hooning dirt roads at 60mph)
and ocasionally; i´ve met with taxis (!) driving up and down on those narrow rocky roads...
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You did note the big rock step that's causing my left rear tire to be full stuffed in the wheelwell, right? Those are 32" tires for scale, so that's at least 10", maybe 12"? I'll be damned if any passenger car can handle that, and would be highly impressed to see something without two driven axles clamber up it, either.you can do that road with most compact suvs.... might even be able to squeeze it out of a FWD suv.
did this road several times...
Re: quoted photo, having buses navigate it renders it probably a nicely graded road unless we are talking bus trips that involve passengers building makeshift wooden bridges here and there.
you´d be surprised about the stuff i´ve seen small-town drivers do with limited equipment around here
many times i reached a place in the hilux, thinking how did I get there with a stock suspension... only to meet with a 20 years old 2wd trucklet, or a small 2wd nissan station wagon.
many times i reached a place in the hilux, thinking how did I get there with a stock suspension... only to meet with a 20 years old 2wd trucklet, or a small 2wd nissan station wagon.
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Those people are f***ing nuts. And insanity will get you quite a long ways...
Old one but still amazing. Love how even an elephant knows when to back away
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I'm assuming that wasn't filmed in Oz
I'm assuming that wasn't filmed in Oz
