Yah, guess their numbers are like Giants... on paper they say 14.3 and 65 but, actually lower and slacker. I have my fork height about as low as it can go so maybe a little steeper than 63. But 64 is an educated guess. My Giant Glory was 64.5 last year and the Trek is noticeably slacker but not by a lot. So prob. 63.5-64 which feels real good!