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Look through the "BMW porn" thread... Theve got most of ours in there 
though the welding may not be the prettiest, i've never heard of a weld-related failure. i've got an older tmx, and while the welds lack machine-like precision, they do look structurally sound. the fact that these frames are still out there, running strong after 2-3 years of abuse is a testament to their integrity. i like to think of them as utilitarian/industrial - a burly tool meant to survive years of abuse rather than be hung on the wall of a gallery. i wouldnt worry about the welds - they add character!grimm said:make sure you get an estethically sound weld before you do.. the one brooklyn frame i saw had awful looking welds
like i said, its an estethic matter. i dont think a 3000+ frame should have such bad looking welds.. since what you pay for is the craftmanship and not the material.xy9ine said:
i know a thing or two about welding, and i didnt doubt they were strong either when i saw the frame, but if i had done the welding, i wouldve put some pride in my work and do them as nicely as i could. i know that a good welder can do nicer welds than a regular machine too. that said its up to each and everyone to have their own opinions about their looks, but personally i think the "industrial" looking welds on my JFC is much nicer than the bmw had, and they are both hand welded.
personally i want my burly tools to have nice welds too. cant hurt, and as for your bike holding up, thats what its supposed to do
Well doesn't steel tend to look less pretty than aluminum as far as welds go? I'm somewhat concerned now as I have a FQ coming. I don't care if the welds look kinda crappy. Is this going to affect the structural integrity of the frame? I know nothing about welding.grimm said:like i said, its an estethic matter. i dont think a 3000+ frame should have such bad looking welds.. since what you pay for is the craftmanship and not the material.
i know a thing or two about welding, and i didnt doubt they were strong either when i saw the frame, but if i had done the welding, i wouldve put some pride in my work and do them as nicely as i could. i know that a good welder can do nicer welds than a regular machine too. that said its up to each and everyone to have their own opinions about their looks, but personally i think the "industrial" looking welds on my JFC is much nicer than the bmw had, and they are both hand welded.
personally i want my burly tools to have nice welds too. cant hurt, and as for your bike holding up, thats what its supposed to do
Knuckle
dont worry, the frame will no doubt be structurally sound like mentioned above. im only talking about the LOOKS of the welds here, not the strength.Knuckleslammer said:
and yes, steel is harder to have look nice cos of the generally smaller beeds, at least thats my own experience, but thats no excuse for the particular frame _I_ saw.. hope yours look nicer, and again, dont worry its sure to be strong
tmx said:
Well I guess if it were that much of a problem more than 1 person would have mentioned it. I'm not gonna worry about it.
Knuckle, this is what your welds will look like. i know because I stripped my bmw down to the raw metal and I was very pleased with the color and pattern of the weld. All of the weld was held right at the surface which means that the weld penetrated deep into the tubeset. Likewise, one other frames, you see the bead sitting up high, creating a bump or ridge.
As for Litespeed or Seven, those Ti frames are in a league all their own. Those welds are flawless.
As for Litespeed or Seven, those Ti frames are in a league all their own. Those welds are flawless.
Well, for steel, I have to say that that looks like some pretty sweet welding. I'm definitely not worried now. Thanks mang for the BMW support. We all need a little help from the support group now and then. As for the other guy who mentioned the crappy welds, where's the pics man?
Knuckle
Knuckle
Get grip people. If you look around in the forums, the only people complaining, are the people who don't own BMWs. Knucks - this is what your bike will look like. If that doesn't melt your heart, you are made of rock my friend.
http://www.imfour.org/icepeeps/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=473
http://www.imfour.org/icepeeps/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=473
word to big bird, my friend.
On aluminum bikes, you have to use a lot of filler to keep the puddle under control. This leads to the very uniform ridges. On steel, if you use to much filler, your weld is gonna be cold and have poor penetration. Using less filler means that you can see more irregular "ugly" lumps. One way to make them look nice is to double pass them. (cough merlin cough) You take a hot lap to get your penetration and then a colder second lap to make them look good. The problem with this is that you double your chances of introducing contaminates into the weld. I'll take my strong, ugly, single pass welds any day.
ah, so that's where you're coming from.grimm said:personally i only complain about welds that look tacky on a 3000+ frame. I dont care enough about BMW to complain about them specifically. just face it, not everyone loves those overbuilt tanks, no matter how good or excellent they may be.
no one said all the world must love brooklyn's. sure isn't very nice, nor is it true what you say about them being overbuilt tanks. but it's a free-speaking world, so have at it.
i find it extremely hard to believe you really don't care enough about brooklyn to complain....while spending your valuable time posting several negative comments about the quality of their work.
Now that's what I'm talking about. Welp, for this type of bike, such as the FQ, what else is there out there? I haven't found anything remotely awesome to what I see in the above photo. I don't like ordinary bikes. I'm a real messed up dud, and my bicycles reflect my disturbed cortex. So, I found nothing better suited to my internal cerebral chaos than the FQ. I fall asleep at night thinking about it. I'm sick I say, sick. Usually when getting a new bike I can't sleep. However getting this thing has brought an inner peace that I usually don't find. Now I have to figure out where I'm gonna get the other 2k to finish it once I get it :mumble: I'm torn between ripping apart my hardtail to set this thing up, but I prefer not to lose a bike to make another one, so for once in my SAL (sorry ass life) Ima gonna try to exhibit a little patience. I'm dreaming of king hubs, 2005 forks
Knuck
Hold out as long as you can. it took me along time to build up my bmw and I am glad I waited. Rolling it out that first day made the wait well worth it. Just keep dreamin about rolling your FQ out for the first time for that massive street ride. People are gonna freek out.Knuckleslammer said:so for once in my SAL (sorry ass life) Ima gonna try to exhibit a little patience. I'm dreaming of king hubs, 2005 forks
what color are you getting? what color King parts are you getting? That 66 fork would look sweet!
joel
PS. God damn my FQ was sexy when I first got it ( see the photo above). I remember the sights and smell so clearly. Alas, it is not new anymore. Still crazy in love with it, but that first day when I took it out of the box - I was the happiest guy alive.
Knucks - It took me a month or too to build mine up at first. Like Joel said, it's definitly worth the wait.
LOOK AT THAT HOT FRAME ABOVE. My knees are giving way... Arrgg....
Knucks - It took me a month or too to build mine up at first. Like Joel said, it's definitly worth the wait.
LOOK AT THAT HOT FRAME ABOVE. My knees are giving way... Arrgg....
so you consider a 55lbs TMX NOT a tank? face it, most guys who buys these bikes are not after light race bikes.. it IS a tank.. coz its heavy, and will hardly ever break.tmx said:
tank is not an insult coming from me, it just means that its heavy and wont break easily. and im only posting the same comment, and ive clearly stated that its directed to the frame i _saw_, not towards every god damn frame they build.. do stop taking it so personally. you could bash gt and px all you want and i couldnt care less, coz its a free world as you yourself put it. now drop it, i know i will coz im not going deeper into the sandbox with you.
it is heavy because it's chromoly. Which is stronger. And because it's stronger it is better, especially for DH. It doesn't break.
If you have ever tried a racelink, you will know that it pedals even better than an alu DH bike half it's weight.
By the way, the racelink frame, minus the shock and cranks, weighs only 1 pound more than a normal weight alu DH frame, so there.
And have you ever seen a parkbike? It weighs 6.2 punds which is as much as most lightweight freestyle BMX frames. And it's much bigger. And just as much as most dj alu frames, but stronger. I think that's pretty impressive.
If you have ever tried a racelink, you will know that it pedals even better than an alu DH bike half it's weight.
By the way, the racelink frame, minus the shock and cranks, weighs only 1 pound more than a normal weight alu DH frame, so there.
And have you ever seen a parkbike? It weighs 6.2 punds which is as much as most lightweight freestyle BMX frames. And it's much bigger. And just as much as most dj alu frames, but stronger. I think that's pretty impressive.
have a chill pillmacmx said:
on a side note. have i mentioned ANYTHING about function? no. also, what you've said is no news to me anyway. here, have another chill pill and drop it already, bmw doesnt need you to "defend" them like this, you are only blowing this out of proportion taking things where it doesnt and shouldnt need to go.
: doesnt matter what you say, i will never want be in the "in" crowd and love everything BMW spits out. they are prolly good bikes, but i dont care as there are other just as good bikes out there that doesnt cost a fortune.
My problem with BMW is not the odd bad looking weld job, its that they actually have the nerve to RELEASE a bad looking weld job. at their prices ALL welds should look good, unless the customer actually WANTS a bad looking weld. ive never ever heard a person say "hell this weld looks too nice, now i dont want this frame". so why sell a frame with bad lookign welds at full price?
and about the weight issue, yes, they have finally come to their senses bringing the weight down, but its still heavier than it could be. and dont come running around saying its coz its steel. the bike is overbuilt to take abuse. A steel bike doesnt need to be heavy, you said so yourself.
im entitled to my opinion, so just respect that like im respecting yours, without you getting so worked up about it.
edit: my final reply here btw, say what you will *shrugs*
I'd be interested to see the ugly welds on that TMX we're debating about. Before i could jump to conclusions. I personnaly haven't yet noticed a SINGLE flaw in my mini link, being functional or aesthetic, nor did I in the short period of time i owned Joel's TMX. I think their work is huber top notch.
As far as i'm concerned Brooklyn have always from day 1 been in a league of their own. So it's kind of besides the point to compare them to other frames and/or manufacturers.
As far as i'm concerned Brooklyn have always from day 1 been in a league of their own. So it's kind of besides the point to compare them to other frames and/or manufacturers.
so just stay away already sheesh!
I said i'd be interested to see that weld. If its not flawed how can it be ugly? Did it not have a cute ass?
I said i'd be interested to see that weld. If its not flawed how can it be ugly? Did it not have a cute ass?
Will you please shut up with telling me to chill!?
I am defending BMW because I defy what you are saying. Have not seen any bad welds from BMW! And what makes you such an expert anyway?
You don't have to be "in the crowd" to like BMW. As it ever acurred to you that there may be a reason for people liking BMW?
As for "the nerve" to release a bad welding job, I am sure that has never happened. You have an opinion about everthing don't you? You think you know all too well that is good and what is bad. You alone know the thruth and know all about what BMW's are. I would like to know why you are so cocky.
Yes, by all means stay away from this thread. then all off us, who actually know about BMW's can be happy. You're probably just some internet geek, trying to stir things up. "Take a chill pill." Gees....
PS: Some guy actually tried to make a copy of the FQ. Maybe that was the bike he saw.
I am defending BMW because I defy what you are saying. Have not seen any bad welds from BMW! And what makes you such an expert anyway?
You don't have to be "in the crowd" to like BMW. As it ever acurred to you that there may be a reason for people liking BMW?
As for "the nerve" to release a bad welding job, I am sure that has never happened. You have an opinion about everthing don't you? You think you know all too well that is good and what is bad. You alone know the thruth and know all about what BMW's are. I would like to know why you are so cocky.
Yes, by all means stay away from this thread. then all off us, who actually know about BMW's can be happy. You're probably just some internet geek, trying to stir things up. "Take a chill pill." Gees....
PS: Some guy actually tried to make a copy of the FQ. Maybe that was the bike he saw.
sheesh already, is right!Shortbus said:
i too was interested in seeing those welds until it became obvious this guy was coming from a very skewed pre-determined view of the company with an out-dated notion of their bikes. he's going to challenge me about the TMX being a tank when my point of expressing displeasure at his "overbuilt tank" comment had nothing to do with that one frame, it had to do with his erroneous accusation that brooklyn's are overbuilt tanks. hell yeah, 55 lbs is alot of weight for a bike, but i still wouldn't call it an overbuilt tank. given the amount of times that bike took a beating so i could be spared leaves me feeling that nothing was wasteful in that design. is the TMX heavy, hell yeah! especially for a scrawny chick such as myself. not my race link though, and certainly not the fq. key elements that make his attempt at a valid point mute to this dialogue: A.) the TMX is now five years old and no longer in production. B.) we were originally talking about this mysterious FQ he says he saw so why he'd bring up a five year old frame made for an entirely different purpose than the newer FQ seems misdirected. C.) the TMX wasn't built to be a race bike (even though i raced fairly successfully on mine for three years) so it makes no sense to slam it's weight in regards to a race frame.
it is perfectly fine to not care for brooklyn's. it's understandable to be as annoyed by it's fans and supporters as i am (yes, i annoy myself sometimes). but to negatively and repeatedly chime in that he saw one frame with less-than perfectly beaded welds in more than one thread seems a bit malicious to me.
it would be amazing though, if marcus was right and he actually saw the fake fq. if he saw this fq in sweden and it wasn't marcus's then it has to be the attempted duplication because there aren't any other mini's in that region. okay, changed my mind. i wanna see the pictures now. oh wait that's right....he won't be back here. damn.
neaky: 
Allright, ill give you what you want this once, just becouse you all try so hard to talk bs behind my back, knowing id at least look back to see if thats what you would do. ill give you that much.
now..
B, It was the FQ bike yes, and ive only ever mentioned the WELDS, nothing about the design, so all this crap about me not knowing how they pedal, ride or whatever is totally irrelevant.
C, Why is this even brought up? Like i said, ive only ever commented on the WELDS.
as for the copy, no. I saw the stickerd frame at a proffesional bike builders shop in stockholm. Dr Spoke. Stockholmers and swedes will now Phil and the people there wouldnt build up a copy. give me a break, i think i know a BMW when i see it..
its appearent that i will need to say this again: I DONT MEAN "TANK" AS AN INSULT, so stop getting so worked up about it. Tank is something thats hard to destroy, you know this dont you?
As for the frame i saw, which is the only bmw example ive talked about when it comes to welds and you know this, jump onto www.swebikers.se and ask the user "orm" for close ups of all the frame's welds and you will see what im talking about.
you treat me like im someone who doesnt know **** about bikes or welding only cos i dont share your love for BMW or that i have a desire to see NICE welds on a really expensive frame... as you can see, the ONLY people on this forum that has tried to ridicule me, patronize me and in fact outright insult me are bmw-owners.. now, what does that tell you? get out of the sand box, open your eyes and find some respect towards other people and their different opinions.
its a cliché to say this, but ill say it anyway, grow up...
now..
A, it was the best example, apart from the super trucker, that they never focused on light bikes, but bombproofness and function.tmx said:
B, It was the FQ bike yes, and ive only ever mentioned the WELDS, nothing about the design, so all this crap about me not knowing how they pedal, ride or whatever is totally irrelevant.
C, Why is this even brought up? Like i said, ive only ever commented on the WELDS.
as for the copy, no. I saw the stickerd frame at a proffesional bike builders shop in stockholm. Dr Spoke. Stockholmers and swedes will now Phil and the people there wouldnt build up a copy. give me a break, i think i know a BMW when i see it..
its appearent that i will need to say this again: I DONT MEAN "TANK" AS AN INSULT, so stop getting so worked up about it. Tank is something thats hard to destroy, you know this dont you?
As for the frame i saw, which is the only bmw example ive talked about when it comes to welds and you know this, jump onto www.swebikers.se and ask the user "orm" for close ups of all the frame's welds and you will see what im talking about.
you treat me like im someone who doesnt know **** about bikes or welding only cos i dont share your love for BMW or that i have a desire to see NICE welds on a really expensive frame... as you can see, the ONLY people on this forum that has tried to ridicule me, patronize me and in fact outright insult me are bmw-owners.. now, what does that tell you? get out of the sand box, open your eyes and find some respect towards other people and their different opinions.
its a cliché to say this, but ill say it anyway, grow up...
You gave us what we want allright.grimm said:
Everything breaks. If steel is "better" (in what aspect), why isn't every DH bike made of it?macmx said:
Are you comparing it to a normal weight bike that has the shock in it?macmx said:
Because my big bike without wheels is as light as a cross country bike.
Before you "own" someone, make sure you aren't blurring the details in your favour.
By the way, I'd say 55lb's is a tank of a bike. It's heavy, compared to almost everything else on the market. But is that entirely a bad thing? You can get insulted by it, but 55lb's is tank-like when you compare it to bikes 10-15lb lighter. Tank=big, heavy, plough over everything, strong as hell. But wait, that's an insult! :eviltongu
edited.Rik said: