I had a 26/24 setup on my TMX when I had it and really liked it. 24s accelerate real well, but unfortunately you do do run out of gears more often when riding fast. Not that I do much of that.stussy2k said:
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It's not an insult. I don't care if bikes are heavy, but then again I'm a big guy. I am just trying to give yoy a feeling of how much the racelink weighs. Just because a lot of people think that the racelink weighs A TON! Which really isn't true. I think the racelink weighs in at something like 11,5 lbs. Now take that weigh and compare it to a "normal" alu dh fram, add chromoly cranks chainwheels and chainguide.Rik said:
Not that heavy compared to how stronger it is. And personally chromo frames just "feel better", but that's just my own fetish.
I have no idea...Rik said:
Dude, to say cromo "feels" better when you've got a few inches of suspension travel, says something. Sorry, but this is where I draw the line, you're imagining reasons why your bike is "better".
The "steel feel" you get in hardtails is FLEX. Do you want your SUSPENSION bike to FLEX?
Since we've got the suspension taking care of up and down movement, the "feel" you get from cromo is left to flex side-to-side. Not good in any situation.
I love a good cromo hardtail, but "steel feel" in duallies is a load of tripe.
The "steel feel" you get in hardtails is FLEX. Do you want your SUSPENSION bike to FLEX?
Since we've got the suspension taking care of up and down movement, the "feel" you get from cromo is left to flex side-to-side. Not good in any situation.
I love a good cromo hardtail, but "steel feel" in duallies is a load of tripe.
go your ride your XC-lightweighted BIG full suspension bike and shut the hell up already.Rik said:
And the fact that you're using the word flex in a brooklyn thread just goes to show how ignorant you are.
Well I guess I'm lucky. I suck so bad I don't feel anyting flex.
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I wasn't the one that said cromo frames "feel better" in context of dual suspension bikes.Shortbus said:
What gives it that feel? Hrm
I will answer you what I answer every ignoremous of your kind.Rik said:I wasn't the one that said cromo frames "feel better" in context of dual suspension bikes.
What gives it that feel? Hrm
RIDE ONE. (a brooklyn)
Have you ridden a brooklyn before? Probably not. Then what gives you the insight to bash them and say they flex? You're obviously a moron.
Brooklyn Machine Works are amongst THE stiffest frames out there. Your generalizations mean either 1- you're 11 years old, or 2- you're a tool or even 3- all of the above
Ummm...Talk about generalisations, note that I haven't commented on the stiffness of a BMW bike at all in this thread? My comment about flex was in relation to hardtails.
Please, feel free to insult me, but firstly read and understand what I say, then justify your insults.
Please, feel free to insult me, but firstly read and understand what I say, then justify your insults.
You have demonstrated to me that justifying anything to you is a complete and utter waste of my keyboard.
No, I'd like to know about this.
A steel bike "feels better". But Brooklyn Machine Works make one of "THE stiffest frames".
So, how does this bike feel better due to the materials it's made out of? What makes a really stiff steel bike feel better than an aluminium bike, when there's a suspension system taking care of shock absorbing?
The supposed damping/flex that steel is known for is a non issue in this case, so why should a steel dually feel better?
I know I've taken two riders statements, but they seem to conflict a bit here.
I am just trying to piece together what makes a BMW so good. They're a bike, yes, an exotic bike, yes. I won't cast judgement until I ride one, but it's interesting to read different riders opinions, and many can't come to make an objective statement about the bike, it's always a "you won't know until you ride one" type of line.
Would you like to cast insight on the above? Or is my trying to making sense of the things a waste of your keyboard?
Oh, and sorry to you monkeys for this offtopicness... but then again, how many threads stay on topic these days?
A steel bike "feels better". But Brooklyn Machine Works make one of "THE stiffest frames".
So, how does this bike feel better due to the materials it's made out of? What makes a really stiff steel bike feel better than an aluminium bike, when there's a suspension system taking care of shock absorbing?
The supposed damping/flex that steel is known for is a non issue in this case, so why should a steel dually feel better?
I know I've taken two riders statements, but they seem to conflict a bit here.
I am just trying to piece together what makes a BMW so good. They're a bike, yes, an exotic bike, yes. I won't cast judgement until I ride one, but it's interesting to read different riders opinions, and many can't come to make an objective statement about the bike, it's always a "you won't know until you ride one" type of line.
Would you like to cast insight on the above? Or is my trying to making sense of the things a waste of your keyboard?
Oh, and sorry to you monkeys for this offtopicness... but then again, how many threads stay on topic these days?
anyone know what the hell this guy is trying to stir up? I sayd nothing about flex, I just said I like the feel of Chromoly bikes better. Don't tell me you can't tell the difference between a chromo and and alu DH bike. I sure can.
But anyway, I don't get why everyone is hating right now. Jesus relax, I never insulted anyone.
But anyway, I don't get why everyone is hating right now. Jesus relax, I never insulted anyone.
I have no idea i gave up.macmx said:
Now ask yourself... what gives it that feel?macmx said:
Hint, it's a four lettered F word...
No hating, no **** stiring, just legitimate questions.
We can only say again - ride a BMW, and try to have an open mind.
You said chromo flexes. I defy this statement, as for the build of the bike, and why Brooklyns are good - I don't think any of us have the knowledge of bike bulding to judge this. Let's leave that to the pros.
I can only talk out of experience: All the DH'ie bikes I have tried, Banshee, Yeti, R9, Nicolai, GT, Orange, Giant, Santa Cruz V10 and Bullit, Bighit and many otheres, the BMW still came out on top.
PS: The owners and rides of the Yeti, Banshee, Bullit, R9, Orange, Santa Cruz all agreed that they would rather have a Brooklyn than the bike they themselves had.
You said chromo flexes. I defy this statement, as for the build of the bike, and why Brooklyns are good - I don't think any of us have the knowledge of bike bulding to judge this. Let's leave that to the pros.
I can only talk out of experience: All the DH'ie bikes I have tried, Banshee, Yeti, R9, Nicolai, GT, Orange, Giant, Santa Cruz V10 and Bullit, Bighit and many otheres, the BMW still came out on top.
PS: The owners and rides of the Yeti, Banshee, Bullit, R9, Orange, Santa Cruz all agreed that they would rather have a Brooklyn than the bike they themselves had.
Fair enough, that's your opinion. I have trouble comprehending how the subtle ride qualities of a cromoly bike are noticeable on a big dual suspension DH/FR bike. But everyone has their own perception of how the bike rides.
You've raised another issue with your PS line though. There are bikes for every purpose. Some are better than others at specific tasks. People, being people, all have personal preferences too. It's a very subjective matter, but I don't know what your PS line is in aid of. Some riders prefer BMW, yes, they do, and you claim that alot of people you have come in contact with prefer your BMW. But is that point made for a reason? I don't think anyone is bagging the bikes or the company.
Oh well, so be it, I'm going to bed.
Happy riding, whatever you choose as your steed.
You've raised another issue with your PS line though. There are bikes for every purpose. Some are better than others at specific tasks. People, being people, all have personal preferences too. It's a very subjective matter, but I don't know what your PS line is in aid of. Some riders prefer BMW, yes, they do, and you claim that alot of people you have come in contact with prefer your BMW. But is that point made for a reason? I don't think anyone is bagging the bikes or the company.
Oh well, so be it, I'm going to bed.
Happy riding, whatever you choose as your steed.
couldnt really say she's of the racing breed.. considering the 24 on front and back, did u run w/this setup or w/26 front?
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I cant see anywhere where Rik bagged BMWs. He was simply asking the effect having a thick wall steel frame on a dh rig as cromo hardtails are usually known for their more subtle ride over 'harsh' alloy frames. Is this noticable while you've got 3" sag under your butt?
And no- Not bagging your bikes! geez talk about a security problem
jk, hehe
And no- Not bagging your bikes! geez talk about a security problem
jk, hehe
hey, macmx stated that his notions of it feeling better stemmed from a fetish.Rik said:I wasn't the one that said cromo frames "feel better" in context of dual suspension bikes.
What gives it that feel? Hrm
fet·ish also fet·ich ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ftsh, ftsh) n.
1.) An object that is believed to have magical or spiritual powers, especially such an object associated with animistic or shamanistic religious practices.
2.) An object of unreasonably excessive attention or reverence: made a fetish of punctuality.
3.) Something, such as a material object or a nonsexual part of the body, that arouses sexual desire and may become necessary for sexual gratification.
4.) An abnormally obsessive preoccupation or attachment; a fixation.
i hope that helps clear things up for you.
edit: blah! deleted by this this edit is a load of me yapping out my dooley. pardon me please. if anyone caught the comment about zero flex on the bikes in question, it wasn't true across the board. i've been reminded of the dancing that goes on through hectic quick terrain on the race link. i think it's in a good way though. (is that blasphemus to even consider?) seems to keep it tracking even though it stutters or hops til settling back in on the mainline. mainline? i've no idea correct terms, just how it feels. i remember thinking when i switched bikes i thought the shock wasn't valved right in the new one but the rear was always right where it needed to be. gonna spend some QT with it this w/e and will pay extra special attention to this matter.
on the personal side of things, IMO rik did come in somewhat challenging in his skeptical line of questioning, but he had some valid questions. mac's a passionate guy, he's admitted his affinity for brooklyn goes beyond reason and it seemed to me rik was zeroing in on that. maybe not. hopefully it's all good though, or not.
(i'm kidding! c'mon.)
sorry rik's all the way on the other side of the planet because i would like to let him borrow my bike so he can experience it himself.
on the personal side of things, IMO rik did come in somewhat challenging in his skeptical line of questioning, but he had some valid questions. mac's a passionate guy, he's admitted his affinity for brooklyn goes beyond reason and it seemed to me rik was zeroing in on that. maybe not. hopefully it's all good though, or not.
(i'm kidding! c'mon.)sorry rik's all the way on the other side of the planet because i would like to let him borrow my bike so he can experience it himself.
Steel is inharently stiffer than aluminum. The inferior strength of alum means the frame tubes have to be really big to be strong and stiff enough.
A steel frame with medium sized tubes will be much stiffer and stronger than an alum frame with large tubes (all else being equal, of course)
And it would be repairable to boot, if it were to break.
99% of suspension frames are made out of alum because it is very expensive to produce a reasonable weight steel suspension bike. Hence the cost of a BMW.
Marketing is the reason people think aluminum is better for dh bikes
A steel frame with medium sized tubes will be much stiffer and stronger than an alum frame with large tubes (all else being equal, of course)
And it would be repairable to boot, if it were to break.
99% of suspension frames are made out of alum because it is very expensive to produce a reasonable weight steel suspension bike. Hence the cost of a BMW.
Marketing is the reason people think aluminum is better for dh bikes