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jonKranked

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so here's the best thing. he has until midnight to drop out. he is refusing thus far. he was already behind by a lot. yet nc often votes for a democratic governor and republican president, other than obama. kamala was closing ground. trump wanted him to drop out and to cut ties. he stays in or can't get out, all the kamala ads will tie them together and quote trump's support and all the people that come out to vote against him will for sure swing nc to kamala. LOLOLOL

@AngryMetalsmith @jebfour does this seem about right?
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AngryMetalsmith

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so here's the best thing. he has until midnight to drop out. he is refusing thus far. he was already behind by a lot. yet nc often votes for a democratic governor and republican president, other than obama. kamala was closing ground. trump wanted him to drop out and to cut ties. he stays in or can't get out, all the kamala ads will tie them together and quote trump's support and all the people that come out to vote against him will for sure swing nc to kamala. LOLOLOL

@AngryMetalsmith @jebfour does this seem about right?
It gets kind of complicated when you consider the mental gymnastics that your average Confederate Flag toting white supremacist has to accomplish to support a “Black Nazi”.
 

chuffer

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Eff Lindsey Graham.

Yeah, but also fuck the election law experts on the Dem side for not seeing this coming. The R side “wants it more.”

It is no longer good enough to play fair and win based on merit. Even if the Ds want to play fair themselves, they should be exploring all of the possible avenues for this kind of shit and actively shutting them down.

It is a combo of naivety and arrogance on the part of the Ds that will see the orange shitstain back into office.
 

jonKranked

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It is no longer good enough to play fair and win based on merit. Even if the Ds want to play fair themselves, they should be exploring all of the possible avenues for this kind of shit and actively shutting them down.
i can't find the link offhand, but it's been (quietly) reported that the Ds/harris campaign are in the process of staffing up with lawyers in anticipation of "election challenges)
 

chuffer

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More on the arrogance of the Trump opposition: it is fine to (strongly) dislike him, but it is a mistake of arrogance to think he is stupid.

The fucking guy got elected president. He also lives rent free in the head of (damned near) EVERY human being on this planet. He swindles hundreds of millions of people out of billlions of dollars on the regular. Stupid people are not capable of this.

Sociopathic? Surely. On the spectrum? Likely. Pathological liar? He’s in politics for fucks sake. The word salad coming out of his mouth is more likely a result of adhd or ocd of some kind. In fact, if you take the time to consider his speeches as a whole, the logical connections and jumps between thoughts are traceable. He talks like Jack Kerouac wrote…

To believe he is an idiot makes oneself the idiot.
 

SkaredShtles

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More on the arrogance of the Trump opposition: it is fine to (strongly) dislike him, but it is a mistake of arrogance to think he is stupid.

The fucking guy got elected president. He also lives rent free in the head of (damned near) EVERY human being on this planet. He swindles hundreds of millions of people out of billlions of dollars on the regular. Stupid people are not capable of this.

Sociopathic? Surely. On the spectrum? Likely. Pathological liar? He’s in politics for fucks sake. The word salad coming out of his mouth is more likely a result of adhd or ocd of some kind. In fact, if you take the time to consider his speeches as a whole, the logical connections and jumps between thoughts are traceable. He talks like Jack Kerouac wrote…

To believe he is an idiot makes oneself the idiot.
Agree to disagree.

He's a just a fuckin' rich moran. 'Merkins LOVE rich morans. For some reason... :disgust:
 

Changleen

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The Fantasy of Having Agency
by Joshua Drummond


The hills frame the rising sun. As it paints the clouds with pastel shades of orange and red and pink, you stand on the precipice of a great cliff. A wide green land lies before you. Yet it is bespoiled. A blight rises above the castle, and evildoers terrorise as they march. Your hand goes to the hilt of your sword.

You run.

You leap.

You fly.


Most days, before starting work, I need to quite intentionally shake off a Sadness so deep and profound it warrants a capital letter.

I’m not depressed, not in the medical sense. And I have a wonderful family and a nice home and a good life. I feel like an inherently cheerful person who would be quite happy-go-lucky were it not for:

I think any of those are fairly normal things to be Sad about.

And yet, there are cynics among us. “Oh Josh,”you, an intellectual – probably an economist – reassure me. “There have long been bad things in the world! War will always be with us. Now, sit down, have a drink, and forget about all those dead Palestinian children.

But that’s just it. I’ve made every effort to just shake it all off.

I do what everyone else does. I escape into unreality.

I read books. I watch movies. I play videogames.

The reason I am still Sad is that, for my whole life, the juggernauts of pop culture told me a bewitching, powerful lie.

Practically all the most popular media and mega-franchises, across movies, books, TV shows and videogames, contain at their core the ultimate desire. One that I think may be poisoning our minds and destroying the possibility of climate action in ways both obvious and subtle.

We are being sold a fantasy of agency.

A young person – usually male, but thanks to Big Woke, now sometimes female – finds out they have a destiny. Their task is to destroy a great evil. Despite hardships and complications, they achieve their goal. Sometimes they sacrifice themselves in the process, but usually they survive the quest, often to retire quietly, bearing the scars of their great journey.

Anyone who’s dabbled in media studies or just TV Tropes will recognise this structure: it is the monomyth, as articulated by Joseph Campbell in The Hero With A Thousand Faces.

As befits a myth, the monomyth is not true. But its influence in media is impossible to overstate. When it comes to popular culture, it’s not just a structure, it’s the structure. Nearly every juggernaut franchise, be it book, movie or videogame, hews to it.

In Star Wars, the chosen one destroys a great evil

In Harry Potter, the chosen one destroys a great evil.

In the The Legend of Zelda games, the chosen one… you get the idea.


The structure is so ubiquitous and well-known I wonder if it’s made us miss some of what's going on. It’s not necessarily that the monomyth itself is what appeals – indeed, we frequently see criticism of movies that adhere to the same tired formula even as audiences flock to see them – but the fantasy of freedom that lies at the monomyth’s heart.

The appeal of agency explains the success of media that has nothing to do with the monomyth. For every Legend of Zelda where you play as the world’s saviour, there’s an Animal Crossing or a Sims or a Stardew Valley; “cosy” games where you get to act out the increasingly rare, highly agential activities like having time for meaningful projects or owning your own home.

It’s present in other media as well. The children in the Enid Blyton books I devoured as a kid have all the agency in the world; they roam the British countryside at will during their endless school holidays, solving crimes and putting the world to rights. Today, as my son watches Paw Patrol, I think the talking dogs might be the least unrealistic part. Far greater is the fantasy that adults, let alone children, have any agency at all.

Over and over again, from childhood onwards, we are sold the vision of a world where radical choices that make a positive impact on the world — in other words, heroism — is an option. Consequently, we all want to be heroes.

Unfortunately, being a hero is mostly illegal.
 

Changleen

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You sit bestride a mighty steed. You were able to name it, so its name is Horsey von Horseface. Its name makes it no less mighty.

Atop a hill, you watch as the sun sinks behind a distant, muttering storm. The wind ruffles the sheepskin fringes of your greatcoat and sighs through the trees, followed by a light scatter of raindrops.

On the plain before you, little dapples of light spring from the homesteads and campfires of fellow travellers. One of them belongs to the gang who kidnapped your friends. They do not know it yet, but they will soon play host to rough justice.

Unconsciously, your hand goes to the hilt of your gun. The other gently tugs the reins of your steed. Horsey von Horseface whickers, eager for the battle to come.

You ride into the gathering night.


You could still try heroism. But it probably wouldn’t go well. Any attempt to emulate the heroes of popular media franchises would almost certainly see you in jail, or shot. The unrealism of heroics might be more tolerable were we not beset by overt Saurons, Palpatines, Voldemorts and Lex Luthors; evil emperors waging vicious war on defenceless civilian populations and mad billionaires intent on colonising Mars. We have villainy to spare, on a scale that screenwriters would consider cartoonish.

Meanwhile (I am correctly assuming no-one reading this is a billionaire) our actions never seem to have mattered less. In fact, for most people, they seem increasingly restricted to two options: to consume, or not to consume. Is your university investing in oil companies? Write them a polite letter asking them to stop.Is your coffee company sponsoring genocide? Don’t buy Starbucks.

I’m not mocking boycotts and divestment campaigns, as they have real effects - but they seem a poor substitute for more direct justice, which world leaders have decided cannot be allowed. And even this paltry power, to use what little agency we have left to decide what to buy, is often threatened or outright outlawed.

Attempts to be more heroic, even in the mildest ways imaginable, are meeting with more and more repression. All over the purportedly democratic world, non-violent protest is being violently outlawed.

In the UK, both Labour and the recently-ousted Conservatives are aligned in their furious opposition to people putting paint on the glass protecting paintings, or chalk dust on rocks, to highlight the very real danger of climate change; Attempts by (again, non-violent) protestors to highlight the ways in which humanity is unwisely challenging the laws of physics are increasingly being met with draconian jail sentences, after the traditional police beating.


The only actions permitted, according to fossil fuel’s political enablers, are to sign petitions, or vote — either for the Bad Party or the Worse Party. On special occasions, we may walk down a road with a few like-minded people at an appointed time, as long as we inconvenience no-one.

With protest neutered, we are taught to mock and deride those earnest enough to persist. Silly schoolchildren, striking for their futures! Don’t they know that all we need to do is create carbon credits, and let the market work its magic? Scolded sternly by our economic betters, we are told to take individual action, and consume our way to a stable climate.

And there is always the stultifying, inert, impossible fantasy of heroic agency to distract us from the real horrors that beset us.

Sad, isn’t it? Now, now. Don’t be upset! Here is a video game in which you’re the hero and your actions matter. Agency can be yours for just $110.

(Or $150 for the premium edition. It comes with a unique set of armour for your horse.)

You stand on the shores of a great still lake, the moon rising swiftly above the scudding silver clouds. The lake reflects, and so do you.

You wish none of this had happened, but that is not for you to decide. All that you get to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you. There’s a Dark Lord that needs defeating. If you don’t find a way, no-one will.

A boat glides out of the shadows, and ripples spread out ahead of it, marrying your reflection.

Your hand goes to the backpack sitting by your side, which contains your weapons. Bottles, rags, petrol, a lighter.

Your companions help you into the boat, and you take an oar. Your destiny awaits.


Getting the world hooked on time-consuming heroic fantasies that are impossible to live out in real life isn’t some conspiracy by the fossil fuel industry. But it may as well be, because we now have a broken society that has been given faulty instructions for how to fix itself.

There are two problems. One is that when heroism is called for, few are willing or able to make the sacrifices that heroism demands. And there’s a great danger that those who do see themselves akin to the heroes of pop-culture and are willing to sacrifice others often act in the most villainous ways possible.

I don’t have to reach to find examples, and neither do you.

The second problem is that while villains might be real, heroes mostly aren’t — at least not the ones we’re presented by mainstream entertainment. I argue that, while heroism has never been more necessary, real heroism is so far removed from popular motifs that being heroic will require some concentrated unlearning.

To my mind heroism is activism, it is journalism, it is mutual aid; it seeks justice and avoids violence; it recognises that individual action alone cannot win the day, but that collective actions are made of many individual ones.

The reason superheroes are given superpowers in movies is because it’s a screenwriting shorthand for people power, of investing the strength of tens or hundreds of people in one person. When struggles against injustice were won in the past, it happened because of mass movements. (Of course movements have talented figureheads and leaders who are later held up as heroes, but plenty of that is post-hoc justification.)

Where our popular conception of heroism is correct, it is that it is anti-hegemonic, pro-justice, pro-diversity, anti-Empire. The problem remains that, when held up against mass-media templates, real heroism is also fallible, bureaucratic, boring. It is organisation and committees and funding drives and arguments over meeting minutes rather than pulse-pounding action.

If we rediscover a crucial fact – that true heroism lies in the many small individual actions that add up to a collective movement – then maybe we’ll still be able to take down the very real villains that are destroying the Earth.

If it works, there might still be a civilisation around one day that might make a heroic movie about it.

-Joshua Drummond

(I don’t know who Joshua is, I just liked this).
 

mandown

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More on the arrogance of the Trump opposition: it is fine to (strongly) dislike him, but it is a mistake of arrogance to think he is stupid.
I suppose there’s layers to this. He is stupid, by at least some definitions and measurements. However, it has to be acknowledged that he has been successful in certain endeavors as evidenced by his achievements. That provides a basis for arguing he possesses some type of intelligence, even if that intelligence relates to the navigation and manipulation of corruption. To me, the real mistake is the assumption by many that an opponent with values, morals, policies, and a grasp of the English language will be an attractive alternative to his voting base. We have already seen that if the public votes between a plate of carrots and a dog turd there is a significant number who vote against carrots even if that means voting for the turd. We cannot simply replace the carrots with an apple and assume the voting public will suddenly pivot based simply on the merits of an apple.
 

Toshi

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sundaydoug

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That provides a basis for arguing he possesses some type of intelligence, even if that intelligence relates to the navigation and manipulation of corruption.
Bingo. The guy knows how to manipulate people. That, combined with a complete and utter lack of any semblance of a moral compass is what makes him so dangerous.
 

Changleen

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The entire time line since 2016 has made me reconsider the plausibility of the "it's all a simulation" theory. None of this is real, it's all in your head, and we are being fucked with. It's the simplest explanation.
Yeah we’re a member of an ensemble model for the end of capitalism when a crazy dictator emerges.
 

mykel

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Hears something about Texas(?) only caught a bit of it, but....

...that one risk is that married women who have taken their husband’s surname (about 90% of them) may be turned away from polling booths if the name on their ID doesn’t match that on their birth certificate.
 

mandown

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Hears something about Texas(?) only caught a bit of it, but....

...that one risk is that married women who have taken their husband’s surname (about 90% of them) may be turned away from polling booths if the name on their ID doesn’t match that on their birth certificate.
This looks to have been discussed for a while.
Story from 2013…

Snopes said the birth certificate thing is false.
 

mandown

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Policy nonsense.

I don't subscribe but assume similar points are raised.

This seems like it is effectively trying to replace income tax with sales tax (the foreign country pays the tariff but it gets passed along and increases the actual cost to consumers). This looks simple, and seems fair to some since the more you buy the more tax you pay, so people with more money to spend also pay more tax. However, it ends up being punitive on lower income earners, since a greater portion of their income is spent on consumption. Higher earners can afford to invest and the investment earnings will go untaxed until spent.
 
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