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Bob the Builder
Aug 24, 2004
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Hey @Brian HCM#1 your graph supports @Changleen argument. A spike in encounters could mean unhinged crossings but maybe it also means that the enforcement is working harder/catching more??
Guys, this is actually perfect for someone who follows the scientific method like Trump!
Remember: “There can’t be any covid cases if none are reported”.

Same.
Fucking.
Logic.
 

Sandwich

Pig my fish!
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May 23, 2002
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You guys are making a fatal flaw in your arguments: you think that Brian or any other MAGAt gives a shit about facts or reason. They think that Trump is the second coming of Christ.

Brian makes a fair point, even if it’s made in an objectively retarded manner: illegal immigration did increase during Biden compared to Trump. https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2024/02/11/trump-biden-immigration-border-compared/. And that’s coming from the WaPo. Of course, enforcement increased as well as did deportations: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-biden-immigration-border-record-charts-data-1925985

A normal person would say “That’s an interesting point that illegal immigration went up under Biden- I wonder why that is.” A democrat might say “Immigration may have gone up, but so did deportations”. Apparently, the GOPpers will say “THE FLOODGATES WERE OPENED AND NOW MY CAT IS GONE, IT’S ALL BIDENS FAULT”.

Anyways, I’m genuinely curious why immigration went up. Was it a policy shift? A fear of Trump? Did COVID make an impact on who was traveling? Also, God I hope we don’t have to go back to the world of Muslim bans and all the other retarded shit trump tried to do.
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
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Hey @Brian HCM#1 your graph supports @Changleen argument. A spike in encounters could mean unhinged crossings but maybe it also means that the enforcement is working harder/catching more??
Biden rolled back Trumps boarder policies. He opened the boarder to ones “seeking asylum” so basically they cross and turn themselves in knowing they won’t be kicked out and given a court date to show up. None have really showed up, they just played the asylum card to get in. There are now over 500K known got away that eluded boarder patrol and thousands on the terror watch list. DHS, just released their report yesterday and it’s alarming! Since Biden took office there has been well over 10m illegal crossings. The left media did not talk about this forever until Trump decided to run then boasted about the “comprehensive boarder bill” that he turned down.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/biden-immigration-executive-orders-daca-reverse-trump-policies/
 

AngryMetalsmith

Business is good, thanks for asking
Jun 4, 2006
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Biden rolled back Trumps boarder policies. He opened the boarder to ones “seeking asylum” so basically they cross and turn themselves in knowing they won’t be kicked out and given a court date to show up. None have really showed up, they just played the asylum card to get in. There are now over 500K known got away that eluded boarder patrol and thousands on the terror watch list. DHS, just released their report yesterday and it’s alarming! Since Biden took office there has been well over 10m illegal crossings. The left media did not talk about this forever until Trump decided to run then boasted about the “comprehensive boarder bill” that he turned down.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/biden-immigration-executive-orders-daca-reverse-trump-policies/
From the article above:

One memo signed by Mr. Biden ordered the Departments of Homeland Security to safeguard the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program that offers works permits and deportation relief to more than 640,000 undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. as children.

Mr. Trump's attempts to suspend DACA were all blocked in court, but a federal judge in Texas has yet to rule on a lawsuit filed by Republican state attorneys general who are asking for the program to be declared unlawful.
Tell me how protecting children is bad. Tell me mutherfucker !
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
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You guys are making a fatal flaw in your arguments: you think that Brian or any other MAGAt gives a shit about facts or reason. They think that Trump is the second coming of Christ.

Brian makes a fair point, even if it’s made in an objectively retarded manner: illegal immigration did increase during Biden compared to Trump. https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2024/02/11/trump-biden-immigration-border-compared/. And that’s coming from the WaPo. Of course, enforcement increased as well as did deportations: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-biden-immigration-border-record-charts-data-1925985

A normal person would say “That’s an interesting point that illegal immigration went up under Biden- I wonder why that is.” A democrat might say “Immigration may have gone up, but so did deportations”. Apparently, the GOPpers will say “THE FLOODGATES WERE OPENED AND NOW MY CAT IS GONE, IT’S ALL BIDENS FAULT”.

Anyways, I’m genuinely curious why immigration went up. Was it a policy shift? A fear of Trump? Did COVID make an impact on who was traveling? Also, God I hope we don’t have to go back to the world of Muslim bans and all the other retarded shit trump tried to do.
https://homeland.house.gov/2024/05/22/startling-stats-factsheet-biden-administration-on-track-to-reach-10-million-encounters-nationwide-before-end-of-fiscal-year/
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
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From the article above:



Tell me how protecting children is bad. Tell me mutherfucker !
The Biden administration has lost track of 10’s of thousands of children that came on their own. Many now in the hands of child traffickers. So that’s good, motherfucker? Why the profanity? All you guys do is use profanity and insults when talking to me. That typically shows a sign of weakness, because that’s all you got. It’s the far left’s only ammo when talking to someone who sees things another way. The name calling speaks volume about yourself. Sad you can’t just have a conversation without getting all sideways.
 

jonKranked

Detective Dookie
Nov 10, 2005
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He’s boarderline illiterate.
Which is highly, highly unusual for a Jew that made it through being Bar-mitzvah’d.
Maybe he was taught spelling is for loosers?
Proper spelling and grammar makes you a liberal, apparently. Just like the ability to correctly communicate a complete thought.
 

AngryMetalsmith

Business is good, thanks for asking
Jun 4, 2006
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I have no idea where I am
The Biden administration has lost track of 10’s of thousands of children that came on their own. Many now in the hands of child traffickers. So that’s good, motherfucker? Why the profanity? All you guys do is use profanity and insults when talking to me. That typically shows a sign of weakness, because that’s all you got. It’s the far left’s only ammo when talking to someone who sees things another way. The name calling speaks volume about yourself. Sad you can’t just have a conversation without getting all sideways.
Still didn’t answer the question.

But yeah it is sad that we can’t have a conversation. You are just a useless fucking troll that contributes nothing and only impedes conversation. Fuck off already !
 

binary visions

The voice of reason
Jun 13, 2002
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Just a note on the Trump-era border restrictions...

The US, along with most other rich nations in the world, have legal guidelines in place for asylum. You can disagree with these laws or not, but legally, we are obligated to provide protections to certain types of asylum-seekers.

This is not the same thing as an open border or whatever stupid bullshit the right wing talking heads are screaming about. These laws have been on the books for decades, and the practice has been around even longer. People show up, they're interviewed, if they are deemed credible they're provided with a hearing date.

One major thing that the Trump-era restrictions did was just to fuck with this process. Ramp down personnel that provided these services, tangle up the processes providing support and supplies, ensure leadership is pressuring their employees to avoid granting asylum. Something the "party of law and order" has always done - if the law doesn't suit your preferences, ignore it and fuck with the system until something breaks.

Asylum seekers have a legal framework for seeking entry into the US. The fact that Trump aggressively tried to undermine this legal framework isn't the positive trait you think it is @Brian HCM#1.
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
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That’s legal. Are you opposed to immigration?

I think the total number of undocumented immigrants living in this country is under 12M. Do you believe that almost all have arrived in under 4 years?
I'm not opposed to "legal" immigration. Wait your turn and follow the proper procedures. The majority of illegals "seeking" asylum just say it to get in, that's the loophole being used to get in. Problem is, they aren't showing up for their court dates. So if you're legitimately seeking asylum wouldn't show up to court on time to plead your case?

DHS has said its over 10M + in the last 4 years, so much more than originally stated. Yes they have deported thousands, but its the known got away are the ones we need to worry about. I believe over 12K of the "got away" are on the terror watch list and are somewhere in this country. With all the shit going on in the Middle East nothing good can become of this.
 

SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
Sep 21, 2003
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Just a note on the Trump-era border restrictions...

The US, along with most other rich nations in the world, have legal guidelines in place for asylum. You can disagree with these laws or not, but legally, we are obligated to provide protections to certain types of asylum-seekers.

This is not the same thing as an open border or whatever stupid bullshit the right wing talking heads are screaming about. These laws have been on the books for decades, and the practice has been around even longer. People show up, they're interviewed, if they are deemed credible they're provided with a hearing date.

One major thing that the Trump-era restrictions did was just to fuck with this process. Ramp down personnel that provided these services, tangle up the processes providing support and supplies, ensure leadership is pressuring their employees to avoid granting asylum. Something the "party of law and order" has always done - if the law doesn't suit your preferences, ignore it and fuck with the system until something breaks.

Asylum seekers have a legal framework for seeking entry into the US. The fact that Trump aggressively tried to undermine this legal framework isn't the positive trait you think it is @Brian HCM#1.
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-Brain, probably
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
32,237
381
Bay Area, California
Just a note on the Trump-era border restrictions...

The US, along with most other rich nations in the world, have legal guidelines in place for asylum. You can disagree with these laws or not, but legally, we are obligated to provide protections to certain types of asylum-seekers.

This is not the same thing as an open border or whatever stupid bullshit the right wing talking heads are screaming about. These laws have been on the books for decades, and the practice has been around even longer. People show up, they're interviewed, if they are deemed credible they're provided with a hearing date.

One major thing that the Trump-era restrictions did was just to fuck with this process. Ramp down personnel that provided these services, tangle up the processes providing support and supplies, ensure leadership is pressuring their employees to avoid granting asylum. Something the "party of law and order" has always done - if the law doesn't suit your preferences, ignore it and fuck with the system until something breaks.

Asylum seekers have a legal framework for seeking entry into the US. The fact that Trump aggressively tried to undermine this legal framework isn't the positive trait you think it is @Brian HCM#1.
But you have to have a legit case to "seek asylum". So what are they seeking asylum for? Coming here for a better opportunity isn't one of them. Anyways, technically ones seeking asylum are supposed to go to the neighboring country, not bypass several to reach the US. If one is escaping war, then its the next closest country not involved in conflict. Again, it's the loophole being used to bilk the system.
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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moreover there's a non-negligible chance that Trump has mentally conflated asylum seekers with people in mental asylums. see his idiocy re Hannibal Lecter and all.
 

AngryMetalsmith

Business is good, thanks for asking
Jun 4, 2006
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I have no idea where I am
Ok, I'm scared! You win! All that swearing, I can see what I'm up against! LOL!
You are that dude at the bar who gets a little too full of himself, pokes the bouncer in the chest and gets bitch slapped in front of his friends. Then decides to call the police only to find out the bouncer has a good case for self-defense and might press charges for assault.

lol
 

jonKranked

Detective Dookie
Nov 10, 2005
88,915
27,100
media blackout
Hey remember that time there was a bipartisan border / immigration bill teed up and ready to pass, then Donnie 2 scoops got his toadies in congress to sink it because his fragile ego couldn't handle Biden succeeding? Pepperidge farms remembers.
 

binary visions

The voice of reason
Jun 13, 2002
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NC
But you have to have a legit case to "seek asylum". So what are they seeking asylum for? Coming here for a better opportunity isn't one of them.
Congrats, you have determined the entire point of the interviews and court cases.

Asylum seekers are not obligated to seek asylum in another country except as specifically outlined in US law, which includes Canada (i.e. an asylum seeker who finds themselves in Canada needs to seek asylum there and isn't supposed to try and come to the US).

We have no such agreements with other countries that typically contribute to the crossings at the southern border.

The fact that you believe that this is simply a loophole has no bearing on the law. You can disagree with the law if you like, but Trump was simply flouting the law. Many of his immigration policies were likely flat-out illegal, but our legal system works slowly and he was a one-term president so a lot of the cases simply never got completely resolved.

The border policies of Biden and Harris are actually in line with our legal asylum obligations. Your argument that they are doing something wrong is a rather dim one. Even if you preferred Trump's outcome, it was not the correct legal path. Also one of the major impacts of Trump's presidency was the de-prioritization and discouragement of tracking facts/figures (see also: COVID response), so it's not entirely clear that the numbers from the Trump era are correct. But we'll ignore that for the time being.

Note that CIS and Statistica both seem to peg the population of illegal immigrants in the US as relatively static (note, data only available up to 2022 since gathering real facts is hard, but that includes 2 years of Biden's presidency and includes the upswing at the end of Trump's time):

Which is actual data that suggests your hand-waving about a flood of millions of illegal immigrants living in the US is likely wrong. Do you have alternative actual data about illegal immigrants living in the US, not simply border encounters?

Also the facts do not support that there is some kind of unhinged flood of asylum seekers actually getting permanent residency based on lies. There are caps on the maximum numbers of asylum seekers that we will allow:

And the number of green cards granted hasn't fluctuated that wildly since we enacted some formal policies in the 80s:

Where's your data?
 
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chuffer

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Sep 2, 2004
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Edited because of Squeeb’s comments below. Bad faith arguments and actors should be ostracized. Also, added the first person ever to my ignore list…

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Jean-Paul Sartre.
 
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Jm_

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Jan 14, 2002
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I can’t fucking WAIT for Trump to claim that if he had been president, the North Carolina/Helene deaths would never have happened, and that he would have given a million dollars to every resident within the first day. And that it would be cleaned up on his ‘first day’.
I hear they have tremendous mops in the amazon to mop up the rain, why doesnt Florida and the Carolinas mop up their coasts?
 

Pesqueeb

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I'm impressed that you guys engage Brain when he comes in here trolling.

But you really should just invoke Brandolini's Law and move on with your day. :homer:
I've quoted Sarte here before, directly referring to Brian. You guys really should quit engaging him. He's not here to argue in good faith, he has no facts, no statistics, no empirical evidence. He has all but admitted he would eat a gallon of Trump's shit if he thought a lib-tard might have to smell his breath. Even worse, when you engage with him, you legitimize the very worst things about MAGA/Trumpism/human nature by acting like it's just another side of a political position. It's not splitting hairs on policy, it's the most evil kind of fascism and vitriol and there really is no excuse. Either put him on ignore or ban him.

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Jean-Paul Sartre.
I know Brian will be quick to say "bUt iM jEwIsH!". The quote serves as analogy (Brian: that means two things that are alike) to maga and trump. It's the same play book. We forget that at our own peril.
 
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Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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I have him on ignore

I'm just replying to the wind in principle, not reading his actual posts :)