The Jon Stewart video I linked above recently commented on the undecided, kicked in the head by a horse contingent.
POTUS Election '24...you heard it here first!
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It appears that inflation is the one that is really sticking for the GOP...
Can you imagine trying to have a substantive discussion with an "average" voter on how inflation is a trailing indicator and most of the aberrant inflation we saw could be a result of the pandemic shitshow? Supply chain disaster, COVID policies to distribute large quantities of cash so the economy had a *chance* of not going straight into the shitter.
I get the impression that there are a not-insignificant number of people who place the blame for this squarely on Biden's shoulders. Which is probably not where the vast majority of the "blame" lies.
But the average voter doesn't give a shit - they just know that eggs are $7/doz and Biden's the president... so it must be Biden's fault (not the avian flu issue, which is the culprit for most of this particular one).
Just wait until they get a load of the price of bananas over the next 2-3 weeks.
The democrats are causing hurricanes to stop the vote. I do believe we are past talking.
Repubs need to step up their own weather attacks.
Repubs need to step up their own weather attacks.
Remember when Kushner decided to let blue state voters die of COVID?
How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air”
This spring, a team working under the president’s son-in-law produced a plan for an aggressive, coordinated national COVID-19 response that could have brought the pandemic under control. So why did the White House spike it in favor of a shambolic 50-state response?
Seriously. inflation is dropping which means that the controls and policy that are in place are working and are largely successful. We wish it was more of a *snap* and things are fixed, but the insanity of 4 years of 0% interest rates and the COVID disaster was a pretty obvious storm we were headed for.It appears that inflation is the one that is really sticking for the GOP...
Can you imagine trying to have a substantive discussion with an "average" voter on how inflation is a trailing indicator and most of the aberrant inflation we saw could be a result of the pandemic shitshow? Supply chain disaster, COVID policies to distribute large quantities of cash so the economy had a *chance* of not going straight into the shitter.
I get the impression that there are a not-insignificant number of people who place the blame for this squarely on Biden's shoulders. Which is probably not where the vast majority of the "blame" lies.
But the average voter doesn't give a shit - they just know that eggs are $7/doz and Biden's the president... so it must be Biden's fault (not the avian flu issue, which is the culprit for most of this particular one).
Just wait until they get a load of the price of bananas over the next 2-3 weeks.
Average voter doesn't understand and doesn't care. They just know that their usual cheap beef isn't as cheap any more.
They also don't understand that just because the *rate* of inflation is now back down under control, the price of shit is *not* going to go down to previous levels. That's not how inflation works. But they don't care. It's Biden's fault.
While I can understand that prices don’t move across the board in the same direction and amount as a single inflation number, I also understand that there are a significant number of people who believe in some form of supernatural supreme being or force and if those people can believe that some such entity controls the universe, then they guy in the White House should at least be able to control the price of eggs.
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what do you expect from they entity who allegedly could’ve gotten Trump out of harm’s way at any time but only managed to move him at the last moment and only just enough for the bullet to graze his ear?Not even God can control inflation.
That’s REALLY bad news for people praying to get a boner.
Trust in science!
Trust in science!
Or the people praying someone else doesn’t get a boner.
I think an 'undecided voter' is more of a characterization for an individual that traditionally doesn't vote at all or is unmotivated to vote. Hence why politicians speak to the same old shit year after year... fracking, abortion rights, some war, energy independence, housing, health care, the outsiders, etc. They are merely trying to mobilize the unmotivated (perhaps not the best descriptor but lets just role with it) within the swing states.
unmotivated voter = works 3 jobs just to try and stay afloat and ain't got time for this shit. perpetually one paycheck missed away from homelessness.
Just after the 12 minute mark we get a truth bomb.
The same people who are terrified of Harry Potter because they also believe another book with talking snakes is direct transcript of God's will.
I am in CA. We have the Highest of fucking Everthing. Our State is Shit! It is run by Dems. Do not ask me about Newsom. They are a click that stay together to make money. Pelosi’s husband got the contract for the High Speed Rail. How is that possible? It is a Nightmare of being over budget and Decades late,with no real date as to when it will be done.
You can steal 950 dollars of anything and not get in trouble. The Dems said this will help our prison’s that are to crowed. Every fucking store you go to is locked up behind plastic with a lock. We have gangs of people going in to Any store and stealing everything in sight. Why? Cause they can and get away with it.
Our Roads and Highways are Shit. We pay the highest Car Reg., so why are the Roads Shit? We have motherfuckers Living on the Freeway. Starting Fires,walking onto the Freeway. Getting hit by people trying togo to work. Many,many time’s a week. We have our Homeless Fund of 24 Million that cannot account for the last three years of what they spent the money on? Newsom has said or done nothing regarding this matter. Are you kidding?
These are just off the top of my thinking,with no homework done. I am at a loss of words as to any good the Dems have done for CA Full Trucker. So,if they can’t handle the 5th largest economy in the World,then I have no Faith they can run the Country.
Avy
And you think ANY of that would be better under a Republican regime? Especially one with a massive population, and good weather?
I mean…Florida, anyone? (Good weather…heh)
I mean…Florida, anyone? (Good weather…heh)
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You talking to me rideit?
You need to understand what you are talking about. With that response to me,you do not. You want to throw sand in my Face.
Full Trucker said “it goes both ways Avy”. Tell us what is wrong with them. So I did.
Then You jump to the conclusion that I am speaking For the Republicans. Wrong.
Avy
I'm going to do something that's bound to be controversial, with the 
crew, and defend California as a 4th generation Coloradoan, because I spent two of the best years of my life living on the coast between Santa Barbara and Lompoc and my formative years in what would become the congressional district to one Devin Nunes. There are still many areas of the state that hold special meaning to me, and should I ever accidentally become independently wealthy, I might consider moving back to.
California is both the most populous state in the union, and the 5th largest economy, in the world . It is in essence, its own country. Surely they are doing something right to have come upon these sorts of numbers.
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The state also produces 1/3 of all the vegetables consumed in the US, and 2/3 of the fruit. Fake Fucking Farmer Devin Nunes, obviously excluded.
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Of course it is not without it's flaws. It's gigantic, in terms of area, populace, and economy. It is expensive, even in the backwoods parts. It is as much if not more of the "American Melting Pot" than possibly any other state in the Union. It also has one of the most unique systems of government. Early in the 19th century the good people of the state decided that it was a great idea to make themselves, essentially, a fourth branch of government.
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While initially successful, the initiative system depends on an active, engaged, and informed populace and could never have seen the flood of money that would come with a modernized state. Unfortunately as is so often demonstrated, both on this forum and in the world in general, the populace is compromised mostly, of fucking morons. This has made modern California almost completely ungovernable. To act as if the governor is some sort of King, granted with the powers of the Almighty, to wave his royal scepter and make magic happen is as ridiculous as expecting the president to have the same sorts of powers. Especially in California.
The beauty of the system though, is that you, @Avy are free to leave it, any time you wish. The world is large, explore other countries. There are 49 other mostly amazing states to see and live in just in this country alone. (Except Nebraska, fuck that place.). Gavin Newsom isn't holding you hostage. Kamala Harris won't know if you leave.
Viva La Republic!
crew, and defend California as a 4th generation Coloradoan, because I spent two of the best years of my life living on the coast between Santa Barbara and Lompoc and my formative years in what would become the congressional district to one Devin Nunes. There are still many areas of the state that hold special meaning to me, and should I ever accidentally become independently wealthy, I might consider moving back to.California is both the most populous state in the union, and the 5th largest economy, in the world . It is in essence, its own country. Surely they are doing something right to have come upon these sorts of numbers.
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The state also produces 1/3 of all the vegetables consumed in the US, and 2/3 of the fruit. Fake Fucking Farmer Devin Nunes, obviously excluded.
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Of course it is not without it's flaws. It's gigantic, in terms of area, populace, and economy. It is expensive, even in the backwoods parts. It is as much if not more of the "American Melting Pot" than possibly any other state in the Union. It also has one of the most unique systems of government. Early in the 19th century the good people of the state decided that it was a great idea to make themselves, essentially, a fourth branch of government.
Source.
While initially successful, the initiative system depends on an active, engaged, and informed populace and could never have seen the flood of money that would come with a modernized state. Unfortunately as is so often demonstrated, both on this forum and in the world in general, the populace is compromised mostly, of fucking morons. This has made modern California almost completely ungovernable. To act as if the governor is some sort of King, granted with the powers of the Almighty, to wave his royal scepter and make magic happen is as ridiculous as expecting the president to have the same sorts of powers. Especially in California.
The beauty of the system though, is that you, @Avy are free to leave it, any time you wish. The world is large, explore other countries. There are 49 other mostly amazing states to see and live in just in this country alone. (Except Nebraska, fuck that place.). Gavin Newsom isn't holding you hostage. Kamala Harris won't know if you leave.
Viva La Republic!
@Avy
Good on you for airing your grievances. I thought you’d talk more about your opinions on Harris, but I guess I kinda understand your view here: that California is shit and it’s run by Democrats, so how can a Democrat be trusted to be president. Do I have that right?
I don’t live in CA, so I don’t know what’s going on from a first person perspective. But I have a few thoughts, some may be pulled out of my ass:
Good on you for airing your grievances. I thought you’d talk more about your opinions on Harris, but I guess I kinda understand your view here: that California is shit and it’s run by Democrats, so how can a Democrat be trusted to be president. Do I have that right?
I don’t live in CA, so I don’t know what’s going on from a first person perspective. But I have a few thoughts, some may be pulled out of my ass:
- I don’t buy into the “Democrats have fucked up my state, so they’ll probably fuck up the country” argument. I’m not convinced that everything in your rant can be blamed on Dems–at least some of it is a symptom of living somewhere with just too many fucking people. For example: the roads and the homeless. Also, based on what @Pesqueeb is saying about the initiative system it sounds to me that CA has a similar problem as CO TABOR bullshit: the people vote directly on bills and laws as a sort of 4th branch of govt. And people are Morans.
- A couple points you make (your state is shit, the dems are a clique that stays together to make money) are either your perspective, opinion, or belief–but not necessarily fact. You’re completely entitled to believing those things, just understand that’s what they are and that just believing something doesn’t make it fact.
- I did start looking up info about the stealing $950 thing you mentioned. There’s a lot to unpack with Proposition 47. On paper, this prop looks pretty good: raise the dollar amount limit for petty theft being prosecuted as a felony from $400 to $950, put some guardrails for prior offenders in there, use the money saved on school truancy, drug programs, and other things that should help reduce crime in the long term. And because of the initiative system @Pesqueeb talked about, it was the people of California voted for this–not the Democrats or CA congress or the governor. It also seems that there’s good effects and bad from this prop–and that right now there’s a bipartisan amendment to prop 47 set to be on the ballot: 2024 California Proposition 36. Sounds like you should read up on it and probably vote for it.
- I’ll recuse myself from commenting on anything else you ranted on. Mostly because… honestly I don’t know why. Other than I just don’t want to respond to your post any further.
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The issues in CA are the quantity and density of people, not the governing party affiliation. The major metro areas are representative of this issue but the state as a whole is not.
There's a history of Democratic and Republican Governors if you look back over the last 50 years (and then some).
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Only 50% of the state is registered to vote. 46% of voters are Democrats, 24% are republicans, and 30% are other or no party preference. If people voted party lines and a republican candidate or 3rd part candidate of interest was an option, Republicans can (and have) taken the state, and a 3rd party theoretically could have a chance.
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46/7 is the House split
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Senate has leaned Dem for decades.
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Oh and @rideit – I’m gonna similarly suggest that you have a look at the words and “tone” of your responses and posts. Are you actually promoting meaningful discourse? Or are you just being combative?
Actually, that goes for a lot of you. I get it with Brian to a point, he has a long history of bad faith “discussion” practices. But sometimes some of y’all just get more nasty than needed.
Actually, that goes for a lot of you. I get it with Brian to a point, he has a long history of bad faith “discussion” practices. But sometimes some of y’all just get more nasty than needed.
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I get it @Avy. I understand how it can be frustrating to have administration after administration campaign to address the problems facing California only for those promises ring hollow once they are in office. But if we are being honest, it's not government that's the problem but the people it is trying to govern.
Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, it doesn't matter. They all offer different approaches to the same problems, with equally ineffective results, because the problem is fundamental to the human condition. It's always an us vs them, where one person can't get ahead without someone else falling behind. Society requires a hierarchy, whether explicitly defined or not, for there to be structure, much as it has been since we quit swinging in trees.
The dilemma is which approach do you feel is most effective in taking the wilder factions of society. Do you choose between the group that wants to punish their way into a submissive and obedient populace? One that chooses domination over compassion? One that wants to empower the few to decide for the many? Or do you choose the side that naively assumes they can bring everyone together? The side that champions allowing people to be who they want to be and love who they want to love regardless of whether or not they understand it. The side that believes those in power have a moral obligation to the rest that extends beyond how much they can extract for personal gain.
Of course, that's overly simplified and undoubtedly tainted by my bias, but the fact remains that each party is making promises they can't uphold. They know it, you know it, we all know it.
In my case, I'll choose the party that at least has the courtesy to ask for consent and spits on that thang before fucking me.
I am in the Heart Jm,San Jose. 580,680,880,101,80,the list goes on and on as to the terrible freeways,very old and neglected. Our Bridges,save for Golden Gate are dropping concrete onto the road. Pot Holes so bad it can take a Truck out. Yet they have these Fucking pay express lanes to make more money. For what? The Road is Shit.
Jm,here is what keeps me up at night. Mnt.Diablo Nuclear Plant. Newsom said OK,go head and keep using that 40 year old plant Directly on top of a Earthquake Fault. If she goes,it will be bigger than any other before. We are talking Biblical.
An airplane,just like a Plant,has a Liftime. We know what that is. Airplane is 32 years. A Plant? The same or less. We are well past that now. Yet,let’s go ahead and keep ruining it.
Avy
Fair point, FT. But listening to Liz Cheney got me fired up. Our country has not stood on the precipice of becoming a failed experiment since the civil war, and it makes me livid and sick.
To see the victims of Trump and the far right’s gaslighting and manipulating a gullible population is atrocious, and it hurts deeply to see this occur.
Whataboutism isn’t even remotely valid at this point in terms of choosing which party is capable of pulling us back from the brink, and which party will most assuredly bring us closer to the dissolution of our ‘imperfect union’ fragile as it is.
To STILL not be able to see what a profoundly venal and awful person Trump is, at this point, can only be obtuseness, or cultish fervor.
I would love nothing more than discussing the things Trump has done that have EVER benefitted another person without really just benefitting himself.
I cannot think of ONE single example, period. Ever.
Sure the Dems have issues, as do every single political party on this planet.
There simply is no comparison right now and no equivalency.
For my tone, I am apologetic, and willing to reel it in. But as to anyone defending that piece of shit, I just can’t imagine how we are seeing different things.
It’s like Stockholm syndrome or something.
Peace out.
To see the victims of Trump and the far right’s gaslighting and manipulating a gullible population is atrocious, and it hurts deeply to see this occur.
Whataboutism isn’t even remotely valid at this point in terms of choosing which party is capable of pulling us back from the brink, and which party will most assuredly bring us closer to the dissolution of our ‘imperfect union’ fragile as it is.
To STILL not be able to see what a profoundly venal and awful person Trump is, at this point, can only be obtuseness, or cultish fervor.
I would love nothing more than discussing the things Trump has done that have EVER benefitted another person without really just benefitting himself.
I cannot think of ONE single example, period. Ever.
Sure the Dems have issues, as do every single political party on this planet.
There simply is no comparison right now and no equivalency.
For my tone, I am apologetic, and willing to reel it in. But as to anyone defending that piece of shit, I just can’t imagine how we are seeing different things.
It’s like Stockholm syndrome or something.
Peace out.
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For as proud as he was about reversing Roe and sending the decision back to the states, Trump sure doesn’t seem bothered by his wife’s pro choice position.
I just watched the first few minutes of the video. Couldn’t find it on YouTube.
www.thedailybeast.com
I just watched the first few minutes of the video. Couldn’t find it on YouTube.
Anderson Cooper Rendered Speechless by Melania’s Book Promo
“That’s the weirdest promo I’ve ever seen!” the CNN anchor said eventually.
www.thedailybeast.com
Trump has no convictions…except the ones that he hopefully gets convicted for.
So f’in petty.
www.thedailybeast.com
So f’in petty.
Trump’s Comments on Helene Disaster Thrown Back in His Face
Amid California wildfires in 2018, Trump only released aid after he was shown the GOP-friendly voting data of those affected, according to a report.
www.thedailybeast.com
Both of your political parties promote neoliberal, oligarchic individualism. One party is off the fucking deep end. The other is less so, but still supports genocide of other humans. America has convinced itself that shared ambition is somehow weak, even wrong. This is laughably stupid if you think about it for a minute. All the important things Americans have ever done have been social endeavours, but as a group (I have to be careful how I say these things or @rideit thinks I’m talking about him personally) you’ve completely lost sight of this.
Well I do blame you frankly.
The fact that you haven't garroted him already with your noodly appendages is a fail and entirely on you.
May your noodles be over cooked and never al dente again.
Moving forward I shall worship the rice god.
1 grain to rule them all!
By Arborio her will be done, by wok as it is in heaven.
How so? Tell them Brother,what is the Lifespan of a Boing Airplane? That is you’re Baliwick. Tell them where All the Airplanes go when retired.
If it is not true,where is Avy’s favorite Airplane,the beautiful L1011?
A Nuc Plant is the same,I dont know what the Fuck you are talking about?
Avy