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chuffer

Turbo Monkey
Sep 2, 2004
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1,149
McMinnville, OR
it's honest on my side of the table. I'm not being baited. I think some people have strong convictions/opinions that I don't agree with, and aren't always trolling or being an antagonist.
I agree that there are people who have strong convictions/opinions that others and I may not agree with. That is their right.

However #1, it is absolutely a possibility that an opinion is wrong. "In my opinion, the sun rotates around the earth." Great. Lovely opinion. Here's a few centuries of science telling you why it's wrong. If you still maintain that opinion while knowing it is factually inaccurate and try to force it upon others, that is poor faith.

However #2, the troll in question has admitted to trolling.

In general, I feel that both sides are too quick to judge and name call. Name calling and personal attacks are poor form. Like most people I am guilty of it; I have hyuge list of nicknames for D2S. I think we should absolutely listen to opinions and beliefs that are opposed to our own. We should also try to understand those beliefs. Understanding can lead to us changing our minds, bc perhaps we were wrong. Understanding can also lead to being able to make a better more effective argument against said opinion. Win. Win.

All of that said, in the case where people are not actually listening to each other it is not a discussion or debate.
 

Changleen

Paranoid Member
Jan 9, 2004
14,761
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Pōneke
One thing that gets me is the "Radical Leftist Liberal Democrats" shtick. I think many of these people would be shocked to realize that in comparison to other G7 countries, the Democrats are actually Center-Right. :rofl:
So ‘centre right’ they are openly supporting genocide of an Arab population, still subsiding the fossil fuel industry etc etc… A little more the ‘centre right’ I would say.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
20,192
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AK
Brian, are you aware that the inflation issue is completely global?

And has been since (basically) the start of the pandemic?

The only (desirable?) places I can think of where housing prices are coming down is China, which is ironic, as their labor force is being paid much more that before the pandemic.
In the west, any place that has even a single remotely attractive reason to live has gone up astronomically.
China has put in strong anti-speculation laws for housing
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
20,192
10,724
AK
I remember being a kid in school and learning about periods in US history where terms like muckrakers and carpetbaggers were thrown around along with other words that sounded like vocabulary lessons from Clutch lyrics. I figured that since Animal Farm and 1984 had been written the veil had been pulled back and those threats were minimized. I remember innocently thinking those were times gone by and we had advanced out of that. It’s pretty evident it’s still here, just with a different look.

It’s disheartening to think we still live in a world where being a Democrat can get you labeled as a far left communist/socialist extremist. Being a Republican can get you labeled a woman hating Christian nationalist neo Nazi. We’re all aware, and by “all” I mean the dozen or two regulars here, that there’s a spectrum of belief and affiliation. Most Americans I’d guess are moderate and probably lean a bit left or right of the center, but the Mountain Dew-ification of news and politics seems to have everyone with access to a camera and the internet riled up and polarized.

Edit - This is not to understate the game-ification of Trump. More to say that I would assume that generally much of the population is more alike than different in their wants for a leader. And, sure, there are polarizing single-issue issues like abortion.
I honestly wonder what % of republicans DONT want to turn this into a christian state and theocracy. That is the real threat to me.
 

mandown

Poopdeck Repost
Jun 1, 2004
21,884
9,176
Transylvania 90210
I’d like to know the distribution of American Christians between the two major parties. Obviously there are Christian democrats who aren’t zealous about making the country a Christian nation. But if that’s an important issue for you then there isn’t much/any talk of it on the left so you essentially have to go republican because that’s one of their talking points. If you’re a republican Christian and not interested in making the USA a theocracy it’s probably a low priority issue for you since it wouldn’t be detrimental to your lifestyle.
 

Avy

Turbo Monkey
Jan 24, 2006
1,414
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You're the one making the claim. You're the one who needs to back it up with evidence. You're right, that was my bailiwick, which is how I know it's untrue and certainly not a factor in determining the useful life of an aircraft, but I would absolutely LOVE for you to demonstrate how I'm incorrect. I'll wait, and I'll apologize when that happens.

Edit: I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this was intentional.
Pesqueeb,you and I spend a lot of time here,for sure I do. I do not go any where else as far as a Website,,sometimes Vital. All I need to know is here,I come here because of a Bike. Every possible topic that is related to a Bike is here. You have to read a lot,but it is all there,and if Avy can not find it,I ask the Mighty Monkeys what my problem is. When you are here reading a Topic,the Boy’s post a Link. That Link is related to the Topic and so I do go elsewhere on the Internet in that regard.

Last ,YT/Radio is where I Listen while Driving. A lot of different Topics on Both sides of the coin. To try and hear both sides.

I do not like the tone of you post. Avy can feel the rage in the letter’s you type right through the screen.

I made a post with Two Fact’s.

1: A Plane,say a Boing 757 Pesqueeb has a Lifetime of 32 years.

I am only off by very little,and you know that. That is because the AL expand’s and contract’s with altitude. It Can Not do that forever. It cracks. It has a life span. I do not need to give you what you already know. Tell us what is the Lifespan of a commercial jet Brother.

How is it I knew it was you’re Baliwick? Because I read the Airline Thread. And I fucking told you Avy’s History of Airplanes. However,you do not remember,or care. Now you put this dumb ass post up.

2: A NucPlant also has a lifespan,just like an Airplane.

I made the statement,then you said it is fundamentally untrue,so You try and disprove me Brother! Good Luck.

Avy
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
41,889
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Riding the baggage carousel.
Pesqueeb,you and I spend a lot of time here,for sure I do. I do not go any where else as far as a Website,,sometimes Vital. All I need to know is here,I come here because of a Bike. Every possible topic that is related to a Bike is here. You have to read a lot,but it is all there,and if Avy can not find it,I ask the Mighty Monkeys what my problem is. When you are here reading a Topic,the Boy’s post a Link. That Link is related to the Topic and so I do go elsewhere on the Internet in that regard.

Last ,YT/Radio is where I Listen while Driving. A lot of different Topics on Both sides of the coin. To try and hear both sides.

I do not like the tone of you post. Avy can feel the rage in the letter’s you type right through the screen.

I made a post with Two Fact’s.

1: A Plane,say a Boing 757 Pesqueeb has a Lifetime of 32 years.

I am only off by very little,and you know that. That is because the AL expand’s and contract’s with altitude. It Can Not do that forever. It cracks. It has a life span. I do not need to give you what you already know. Tell us what is the Lifespan of a commercial jet Brother.

How is it I knew it was you’re Baliwick? Because I read the Airline Thread. And I fucking told you Avy’s History of Airplanes. However,you do not remember,or care. Now you put this dumb ass post up.

2: A NucPlant also has a lifespan,just like an Airplane.

I made the statement,then you said it is fundamentally untrue,so You try and disprove me Brother! Good Luck.

Avy
I'll take that as a "no". You have zero idea what you're talking about. Perhaps you need to learn the difference between "average", and "absolute". Find me the CFR that says an airplane dies when it hits 32 years of age. You can't


Source
 
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Avy

Turbo Monkey
Jan 24, 2006
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I'll take that as a "no". You have zero idea what you're talking about. Perhaps you need to learn the difference between "average", and "absolute". Find me the CFR that says an airplane dies when it hits 32 years of age. You can't


Source
You are an idiot. One Last Time.

An Airplane has a Lifespan,just like a NucPlant. Then time is up to Retire. If you Do Not follow The Rules Set by That Industry,you will Have a Problem. As it turns out,they are close to one another. So here is what you need todo. Beings you said Avy is wrong:

You need to tell All of us here waiting,that an Airplane “Does Not have a lifespan,as well as a NucPlant”. That is what I said.

I read you’re little article. It even says the Average lifespan is 30 years. Is you point that a plane can fly longer than that? Because a NucPlant can still run as well,that does not make it right. You know I am right,but you going down swingin kid.

Avy
 

jonKranked

Detective Dookie
Nov 10, 2005
88,911
27,094
media blackout
You are an idiot. One Last Time.

An Airplane has a Lifespan,just like a NucPlant. Then time is up to Retire. If you Do Not follow The Rules Set by That Industry,you will Have a Problem. As it turns out,they are close to one another. So here is what you need todo. Beings you said Avy is wrong:

You need to tell All of us here waiting,that an Airplane “Does Not have a lifespan,as well as a NucPlant”. That is what I said.

I read you’re little article. It even says the Average lifespan is 30 years. Is you point that a plane can fly longer than that? Because a NucPlant can still run as well,that does not make it right. You know I am right,but you going down swingin kid.

Avy
fuck off already you prick
 

Sandwich

Pig my fish!
Staff member
May 23, 2002
21,862
7,109
borcester rhymes
You are an idiot. One Last Time.

An Airplane has a Lifespan,just like a NucPlant. Then time is up to Retire. If you Do Not follow The Rules Set by That Industry,you will Have a Problem. As it turns out,they are close to one another. So here is what you need todo. Beings you said Avy is wrong:

You need to tell All of us here waiting,that an Airplane “Does Not have a lifespan,as well as a NucPlant”. That is what I said.

I read you’re little article. It even says the Average lifespan is 30 years. Is you point that a plane can fly longer than that? Because a NucPlant can still run as well,that does not make it right. You know I am right,but you going down swingin kid.

Avy
I thought it was only us “radical libs” that sling insults around?



Anyways, more bullshit
 

chuffer

Turbo Monkey
Sep 2, 2004
1,802
1,149
McMinnville, OR
@Avy

Since I am not an airline or nuclear power plant expert and our local expert refuses to answer, would you mind sharing with me the sources and references that state explicitly:

1. aircraft must be retired after a given “lifespan”

2. the lifespan of aircraft and nuclear power plants is related.

“Do your own research” and “look it up yourself” are commonly understood to mean “I don’t actually know what I am talking about.” So, I am sure you won’t answer like that.
 
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jonKranked

Detective Dookie
Nov 10, 2005
88,911
27,094
media blackout
@Avy

Since I am not an airline or nuclear power plant expert and our local expert refuses to answer, would you mind sharing with me the sources and references that state explicitly:

1. aircraft must be retired after a given “lifespan”

2. the lifespan of aircraft and nuclear power plants is related.

“Do your own research” and “look it up yourself” are commonly understood to mean “I don’t actually know what I am talking about.” So, I am sure you won’t answer like that.
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chuffer

Turbo Monkey
Sep 2, 2004
1,802
1,149
McMinnville, OR
I'll take that as a "no". You have zero idea what you're talking about. Perhaps you need to learn the difference between "average", and "absolute". Find me the CFR that says an airplane dies when it hits 32 years of age. You can't


Source
According to your so-called article and its fake facts, if I only flew my 747 2 times per year, it would last 8,750 years. I call bullshit on that. You and your article are liars! Jerkface.
 

jonKranked

Detective Dookie
Nov 10, 2005
88,911
27,094
media blackout
@Avy

Since I am not an airline or nuclear power plant expert and our local expert refuses to answer, would you mind sharing with me the sources and references that state explicitly:

1. aircraft must be retired after a given “lifespan”

2. the lifespan of aircraft and nuclear power plants is related.

“Do your own research” and “look it up yourself” are commonly understood to mean “I don’t actually know what I am talking about.” So, I am sure you won’t answer like that.
The nuclear reactor in the Spruce Goose only lasted for one test flight. Checkmate libs!!!!1
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
56,048
22,078
Sleazattle
B-52 says no

DC-3 says HI!


All Aluminum structures have a fatigue life. Some airplanes are built like tanks and can fly for a very very long time, such as the DC-3 and B-52, which will be flying well past their 100 birthday. Modern commercial aircraft are designed around a finite lifespan that is some combination of hours of operation and pressurization cycles, not years. They are designed like this as after a certain amount of time they are no longer commercially viable as newer aircraft will have significantly lower cost to operate because they are more efficient, and require less maintenance. Airlines don't want to buy heavy aircraft that will last longer than they are profitable. However, with inspections and maintenance they can fly for however long someone wants to throw money at it. The decision to retire an airplane is usually a financial one. Relatively new 4 engine airplanes like the A380 and 747 have been retired as they just are no longer profitable. Twin engine airplanes are much cheaper to operate.

F-16s and F-15s can last a very long time as they live pampered lives while F-18s pretty much crash every time they take off and tend to get replaced for fatigue issues.

A-10s and B-1Bs have gone through programs to increase their fatigue life because the military doesn't need to be profitable.

As part of the certification process commercial aircraft are put through a fatigue test that confirms the design calculation for inspection and maintenance cycles, not total lifespan. They put through pressurization cycles and a giant hydraulic rig that duplicates flight forces. This test takes many years to complete.

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Steel is different that aluminum. Aluminum structures always have a finite fatigue life, however that life can be a very very long time. Steel structures can be designed to have an infinite lifecycle. Expensive shit like bridges that don't need to be lightweight are designed for infinite life, corrosion tends to be the limiting factor. If anyone wants some chuckles they can read up on NuKlear Reactors here.

 
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