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Avy

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Brian HCM#1 said:
Want to stop the genocide in Gaza? Hamas surrenders and releases all the hostages. It's not rocket science, it's that simple. The fact that they wont surrender and hide amongst the innocent prolongs the war and continues the genocide. Remember, Hamas invaded Israel 10/7/23 and murdered 1200 innocent people, many at a concert, so I assume you condone that? If Hamas never invaded Israel, this discussion would not be happening.
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Ok Brother,Hamas Has come to the Table,but You and many others do not believe that. You and Israel say that is a Lie.

BB is in Trouble,he has Only to continue this Massacre to stay in Power,yet he has No Plan but to continue Death with our support. Without the USA,He would be Nothing. As many have said to you,this Death and War has a Reason. You Only Think,Talk and Believe 10 7. As if All that is going on is Due to 10 7. You can not speak on a thought without knowing the History,otherwise you are a Fool.

Tell me,how the Hell did tunnel rats pull this off? You Have The Best of Everything regarding Safety for the Country. There is No Other Country that has what Israel has at there Fingertips. Yet they Failed. How did this Happen?

Israel in 1967 attacked a USA Ship called the Liberty In the Sinai. Are you aware of this Clusterfuck Brother? They tried to sink her,but Failed. Napom,Torpedoes,they fucking sent everthing at it,and Failed. They attacked the USA,and you know what Brother,they got away with It. Now,tell me you’re thought’s on the Liberty,and the Insane Fact that I just said to you.

How do feel about that?
Was it wrong?
Do you even know about this Insane Story Brother?

Avy
 
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mandown said:
www.nbcnews.com

Trump hammers Harris on Biden's 'garbage' comment

Biden said that his remarks were referring to a racist joke by comedian at a Trump rally, not Trump supporters. Still, Trump and his allies have used them to hit Democrats.
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“I don’t know anything about the comedian. I don’t know who his is. I’ve never seen him. I heard he made a statement, but it was just a statement that he made. He’s a comedian. What can I tell you?” Trump said.
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Covfefe comedian?
 
rideit

rideit

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One problem with any democratic country saying that they truly ‘stand by Palestine‘ is that it also effectively rewards the methods of terrorism as a valid political tool. Hamas was not democratically voted into existence, just as they didn’t rule Palestine democratically in any meaningful way.
Yes, Israel is overstepping their bounds within this ideology, but unfortunately, it’s not like anyone in Palestine will discontinue what little resistance they have left if Israel just walks away.
It’s a fairly classic conundrum in ‘David and Goliath’ situations, and the irony is indeed rich as to how the historical tables have turned.
However, that doesn’t make the day to day situation any more manageable by either party.
 
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Avy

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rideit said:
One problem with any democratic country saying that they truly ‘stand by Palestine‘ is that it also effectively rewards the methods of terrorism as a valid political tool. Hamas was not democratically voted into existence, just as they didn’t rule Palestine democratically in any meaningful way.
Yes, Israel is overstepping their bounds within this ideology, but unfortunately, it’s not like anyone in Palestine will discontinue what little resistance they have left if Israel just walks away.
It’s a fairly classic conundrum in ‘David and Goliath’ situations, and the irony is indeed rich as to how the historical tables have turned.
However, that doesn’t make the day to day situation any more manageable by either party.
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rideit,I had to re-read that First Sentence like 6 times until I think I understood it.

It is ”Not” “stand by Palestine” that is In question. It is a question of International Law’s of War. Period.
We,the USA are Breaking those Laws with No Regard.

Avy
 
rideit

rideit

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Avy, you are correct, to a point. When confronted with an enemy that has vowed to never comport with international laws of war, do you surrender, and potentially sacrifice thousands, or hundreds of thousands, in order to stand by that principle?
What action serves the immediate threat to a populace (or a region, planet, etc) best, with or without adherence to an ideal?

At what point is adherence to that principle suicidal, and how can one make that decision?
These are age old philosophical catch-22’s within the realm of reality and theory with war.
(these questions I propose are not specific to this conflict).
 
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Changleen

Changleen

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rideit said:
One problem with any democratic country saying that they truly ‘stand by Palestine‘ is that it also effectively rewards the methods of terrorism as a valid political tool. Hamas was not democratically voted into existence, just as they didn’t rule Palestine democratically in any meaningful way.
Yes, Israel is overstepping their bounds within this ideology, but unfortunately, it’s not like anyone in Palestine will discontinue what little resistance they have left if Israel just walks away.
It’s a fairly classic conundrum in ‘David and Goliath’ situations, and the irony is indeed rich as to how the historical tables have turned.
However, that doesn’t make the day to day situation any more manageable by either party.
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Please can you grow up and stop being so swayed by, and throwing around words like ‘terrorism’ like they have any actual weight or meaning. Your country is literally financing and supplying arms for this actual *fucking genocide* and has given cover to Israeli atrocities for years. America is just as much, far more of ‘terrorist’ than anything Palestine could possibly hope to achieve. The relativism invoked by this lazy framing is shit. Stop it.

Similarly, how is Israel, a state that was magiked into existence by violence, in any way a ‘democratic’ solution for the local population? Rideit, you need to check your bias. It’s ridiculous. All your arguments are undermined by your own myopia.

‘David and Goliath’. Fuck me, dude. Are you serious?
 
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Changleen

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rideit said:
One problem with any democratic country saying that they truly ‘stand by Palestine‘
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The thing is, again and again, the US is actually the outlier on these issues. Your media is determined to ignore it, and does. There are so many votes at the UN where basically most of the planet calls you out on this shit. Here are some quick examples, older and recent.

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Nick

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Brian HCM#1

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Avy said:
Ok Brother,Hamas Has come to the Table,but You and many others do not believe that. You and Israel say that is a Lie.

BB is in Trouble,he has Only to continue this Massacre to stay in Power,yet he has No Plan but to continue Death with our support. Without the USA,He would be Nothing. As many have said to you,this Death and War has a Reason. You Only Think,Talk and Believe 10 7. As if All that is going on is Due to 10 7. You can not speak on a thought without knowing the History,otherwise you are a Fool.

Tell me,how the Hell did tunnel rats pull this off? You Have The Best of Everything regarding Safety for the Country. There is No Other Country that has what Israel has at there Fingertips. Yet they Failed. How did this Happen?

Israel in 1967 attacked a USA Ship called the Liberty In the Sinai. Are you aware of this Clusterfuck Brother? They tried to sink her,but Failed. Napom,Torpedoes,they fucking sent everthing at it,and Failed. They attacked the USA,and you know what Brother,they got away with It. Now,tell me you’re thought’s on the Liberty,and the Insane Fact that I just said to you.

How do feel about that?
Was it wrong?
Do you even know about this Insane Story Brother?

Avy
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Hamas refuses to release all hostages and will not surrender, that is where its at right now. Hezbollah has too been attacking Israel as well as Iran. So now Israel is currently in the business of removing all terrorist groups from the face of the planet.

I get it, you're going to side with your people and me as well. Then again, some support terrorism and some don't. So I think it's very clear which one you support.
 
Nick

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Brian HCM#1 said:
Hamas refuses to release all hostages and will not surrender, that is where its at right now. Hezbollah has too been attacking Israel as well as Iran. So now Israel is currently in the business of removing all terrorist groups from the face of the planet.

I get it, you're going to side with your people and me as well. Then again, some support terrorism and some don't. So I think it's very clear which one you support.
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And I think it's very clear which one you support. Second verse, same as the first.

State of Terrorism on a Global Scale - The Role of Israel | Office of Justice Programs

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rideit

rideit

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For the record, I mostly support Palestine as well in certain ways.
And despise unilateral US actions, as well as Israel’s stance right now, my commentary falls more in line with ‘devils advocate’ exploration of an opposing view, which is what is taught in Poli sci to explore, and not ignore.
I apologise if that is unclear, I haven’t really slept in two days, and still haven’t left JH.

I was attempting to engage in a conversation with Avy that presented an opposing view without resorting to shouting him down, you know, civil discourse.
 
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Brian HCM#1 said:
Hamas refuses to release all hostages and will not surrender, that is where its at right now. Hezbollah has too been attacking Israel as well as Iran. So now Israel is currently in the business of removing all terrorist groups from the face of the planet.

I get it, you're going to side with your people and me as well. Then again, some support terrorism and some don't. So I think it's very clear which one you support.
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ooh ooh, I know this one! The party with all the white guys who travel states in order to shoot other people, right? The one that burns ballot boxes? The one that tried to assassinate a president? The one that threatens people with machetes?
 
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Brian HCM#1 said:
Hamas refuses to release all hostages and will not surrender, that is where its at right now. Hezbollah has too been attacking Israel as well as Iran. So now Israel is currently in the business of removing all terrorist groups from the face of the planet.

I get it, you're going to side with your people and me as well. Then again, some support terrorism and some don't. So I think it's very clear which one you support.
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www.amnesty.org

Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests

Israeli authorities have dramatically increased their use of administrative detention, a form of arbitrary detention, of Palestinians across the occupied West Bank; extended emergency measures that facilitate inhuman and degrading treatment of prisoners; and failed to investigate incidents of...
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www.democracynow.org

Reports Mount of Israel’s Torture & Rape of Palestinians Prisoners

Unrest continues to brew in Israel after a right-wing mob including members of the Knesset broke into two Israeli military bases in an effort to prevent Israeli military police from detaining nine soldiers who were under investigation for gang raping a Palestinian prisoner at the notorious Sde...
www.democracynow.org

www.middleeasteye.net

Israeli media publishes video of soldiers allegedly raping Palestinian detainee

Footage shows soldiers hiding actions behind riot shields, and is believed to be the incident that led to their arrest
www.middleeasteye.net www.middleeasteye.net
 
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Changleen said:
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www.amnesty.org

Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests

Israeli authorities have dramatically increased their use of administrative detention, a form of arbitrary detention, of Palestinians across the occupied West Bank; extended emergency measures that facilitate inhuman and degrading treatment of prisoners; and failed to investigate incidents of...
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org


www.democracynow.org

Reports Mount of Israel’s Torture & Rape of Palestinians Prisoners

Unrest continues to brew in Israel after a right-wing mob including members of the Knesset broke into two Israeli military bases in an effort to prevent Israeli military police from detaining nine soldiers who were under investigation for gang raping a Palestinian prisoner at the notorious Sde...
www.democracynow.org

www.middleeasteye.net

Israeli media publishes video of soldiers allegedly raping Palestinian detainee

Footage shows soldiers hiding actions behind riot shields, and is believed to be the incident that led to their arrest
www.middleeasteye.net www.middleeasteye.net
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More on the thread drifting to Palestine...

Apparently you all have had the privilege of funding 3/4 of the destruction.


 
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The more I learn about the electoral college, gerrymandering, voting on a tuesday, voluntary vote... the more I wonder how did the democrats allowed the deck to be stacked so much against them?
Seriously, they keep winning popular vote, but get outsmarted by the GOP.
 
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DaveW said:
Trump and Project 2025 plan to turn civil rights law against the vulnerable | Vox
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Duh?

ALEXIS_DH said:
The more I learn about the electoral college, gerrymandering, voting on a tuesday, voluntary vote... the more I wonder how did the democrats allowed the deck to be stacked so much against them?
Seriously, they keep winning popular vote, but get outsmarted by the GOP.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. The electoral college is institutionalized voter suppression that goes hand in hand with this countries original sin of slavery. It was created as such for the express purpose of marginalizing black people. It will continue to exist as long as this stupid fucking country continues to pretend like the Constitution was dictated by God Almighty himself to exclusively white men who were pure as the driven snow.
 
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