POTUS Election '24...you heard it here first!
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From an email newsletter I get:
This Time America Knew What It Was Doing.
There is no coming back from this one.
Hi,
I was at a dive bar in Los Angeles in 2016 when Donald Trump won last time, and it was a big surprise.
Fuck, it was a big surprise for Trump.
I distinctly remember getting that feeling you tend to get in your guts when a bad thing happens that you can’t remedy or problem-solve your way out of.
But under the horror was this comfort in thinking that it was some weird aberration. The race was close and for many of us Donald Trump was kind of a joke. Not a good joke — not a pure hearty belly laugh — but something we could chortle at because he said and did wacky things that we didn’t expect a President to do.
We didn’t really know him all that well. He was a Reality TV Star and he was a Businessmanand he could Be a Bit Shocking.
That’s why he managed to sneak in back in 2016: because we didn’t really know him.
Last night Donald Trump won again. He won more votes than 2016 in nearly every conceivable way.
And this time America knew who he was. They had heard him, and seen him.
He was a Sexual Abuser and a Rapist.
A Convicted Felon and a Racist and a Narcissist.
A Man who Hates Gay People.
A Man who Really Hates Women, including trans women.
None of this was subtle or unclear.
All of this was documented and shared with America. There were strong audio and visual clues about who Donald Trump really was.
John Kelly, the Trump White House’s longest-serving chief of staff, told us Trump was a Fascist.
All of this — and over half of America went:
This is who we are.
This is what we believe.
This is what we respect.
This is what we want America to be.
As I mentioned in yesterday’s newsletter, I spent last night at a Donald Trump “watch party”. It was like a Game of Thrones watch party, but — it wasn’t because none of this is a joke it’s all just pretty horrible.
I spoke to people there about why they were in that room, how they were feeling, and what they believed.
It was a hodge-podge of ideas and beliefs. There was talk of God and American Values. There was talk of the Trans Agenda and The Jab and Closing The Border.
A lot of people told me God Had Rescued Trump From That Bullet.
What mostly stood out to me were the strange reversals on reality. People spoke of a man who Cared About People and was Honest — and when it was clear Trump was the winner, they spoke to me at length about how important it was to have a Peaceful Transition of Power.
It was as I’d slipped into the quantum realm, stuck in a superposition that allowed me to see another reality.
That would be a nice explanation — me cracking quantum physics — but we’re here because I realise well over half of all Americans hate women and trans people, and support rape and insurrections, and racism and hatred and selfishness and narcissism and the worship of money and being terrible to each other.
To be blunt: This isn’t an aberration. This is what America is, and always has been, and is now celebrating, and it’ll be stuck in this space now for decades.
Statistically I will die while America holds these values.
One of my favourite records is Slipknot’s All Hope Is Gone. I had a feeling this was the result we’d get, so I wore my Slipknot hoodie to the party.
I am not saying all hope is literally gone — there is always hope. You give me hope: the readers and community that’ve built up here give me endless hope and optimism for humans.
What I am saying is that was the worst fucking party I’ve ever been to.
David.
PS: As per usual, vent it out in the comments. It helps me.
Solidarity.
Sanity.
This Time America Knew What It Was Doing.
There is no coming back from this one.
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Hi,
I was at a dive bar in Los Angeles in 2016 when Donald Trump won last time, and it was a big surprise.
Fuck, it was a big surprise for Trump.
I distinctly remember getting that feeling you tend to get in your guts when a bad thing happens that you can’t remedy or problem-solve your way out of.
But under the horror was this comfort in thinking that it was some weird aberration. The race was close and for many of us Donald Trump was kind of a joke. Not a good joke — not a pure hearty belly laugh — but something we could chortle at because he said and did wacky things that we didn’t expect a President to do.
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That’s why he managed to sneak in back in 2016: because we didn’t really know him.
Last night Donald Trump won again. He won more votes than 2016 in nearly every conceivable way.
And this time America knew who he was. They had heard him, and seen him.
He was a Sexual Abuser and a Rapist.
A Convicted Felon and a Racist and a Narcissist.
A Man who Hates Gay People.
A Man who Really Hates Women, including trans women.
None of this was subtle or unclear.
All of this was documented and shared with America. There were strong audio and visual clues about who Donald Trump really was.
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All of this — and over half of America went:
This is who we are.
This is what we believe.
This is what we respect.
This is what we want America to be.
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I spoke to people there about why they were in that room, how they were feeling, and what they believed.
It was a hodge-podge of ideas and beliefs. There was talk of God and American Values. There was talk of the Trans Agenda and The Jab and Closing The Border.
A lot of people told me God Had Rescued Trump From That Bullet.
What mostly stood out to me were the strange reversals on reality. People spoke of a man who Cared About People and was Honest — and when it was clear Trump was the winner, they spoke to me at length about how important it was to have a Peaceful Transition of Power.
It was as I’d slipped into the quantum realm, stuck in a superposition that allowed me to see another reality.
That would be a nice explanation — me cracking quantum physics — but we’re here because I realise well over half of all Americans hate women and trans people, and support rape and insurrections, and racism and hatred and selfishness and narcissism and the worship of money and being terrible to each other.
To be blunt: This isn’t an aberration. This is what America is, and always has been, and is now celebrating, and it’ll be stuck in this space now for decades.
Statistically I will die while America holds these values.
One of my favourite records is Slipknot’s All Hope Is Gone. I had a feeling this was the result we’d get, so I wore my Slipknot hoodie to the party.
I am not saying all hope is literally gone — there is always hope. You give me hope: the readers and community that’ve built up here give me endless hope and optimism for humans.
What I am saying is that was the worst fucking party I’ve ever been to.
David.
PS: As per usual, vent it out in the comments. It helps me.
Solidarity.
Sanity.
Also worth a read, from the manipulation pov:
mountaintui.substack.com
The folly of retreat in the face of defeat
How bad actors have penetrated social media platforms like Reddit. And why letting them dictate the rules of engagement is a mistake.
mountaintui.substack.com
So help me out here. If migrants crossing the boarder legally can't they get the same jobs harvesting crops, gardening, construction etc? So the only way we get that same category of worker is if they come over illegally? Who is paying for all the housing, medical, food etc for them? You & me maybe? Yes drugs have been coming over here in alarming amounts, your media doesn't mention it because it would shed the light on the failure of the Biden administration. What about the rape & murders of women by illegals? Those woman/girls might still be alive if the boarder was more secure, but they didn't care. That's why it's been kept hush and when Harris finally did go to the boarder, she went to the area with minimal crossings to show everyone that she "went".
The Biden was placing vaccine mandates on US citizens & employees but not enforcing it for the illegal immigrants during the heart of the pandemic. Why weren't the required to get vaccinated to enter the country?
The Trump administration is for legal immigration, just not illegal immigration. So calling Trump Hitler is calling for hope & love? The Biden/Harris administration was always bashing the Trump voter and calling gf Trump supporters "garbage".
The left kept coming after Trump by a fake Russian collusion hoax, tried to put him in jail for "hush money" in which is only technically a misdemeanor and other trumped up cases, two assassination attempts.
He was already president for 4 years and believe it or not WW3 never happened like everyone on the left claimed would happen.
Not gloating, then again if Harris won I'm sure you'd be gloating and talking shit about Trump & his supporters?
I don't think he's going to retaliate, the left media loves to fuel that narrative to keep their side in check and keep the hate still burning.
What Squeeb said. It's all that, but mostly the racism, tinged with misogyny. All else being equal? A black man named Karl Harris woulda won. A white woman named Karla Harris woulda won.
It'll be interesting to see the Right tie themselves into knots (to blame things on the Dems) after the next few storm/flood/hurricane/etc. cycles in the red states.
*After so many people lose insurance when the ACA pre-existing conditions clause is gone.
*After FEMA is gutted.
*Everthing costs more due to tariffs on All THE THINGS.
All things the orange buffoon has said he'll do.
Granted, it'll be the poor and POC in those states that suffer the most, and we know the Right doesn't give two shits about them.
@Brian HCM#1 we are bringing field workers up legally through the H2A visa program. They are coming by the 1000s. The farm owners are paying for everything out of their own pockets.
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Well that, and enslaving other races for profit.
My wife reminds me of this a lot. She points out that it is in our DNA. (Almost) Everyone here had ancestors who came here from elsewhere. Whether it was 100 years ago or 500 years ago, people came to America to get theirs. To do so has always required risk taking and the requirement that one steps on or over others. The people who did not have this “stayed home.” We are the descendants of the “gonna go get / take mine” people who came to America.
Not saying I believe the above entirely, but it is an interesting idea to explore. We are exactly who we were always gonna be…
- You conveniently forget that he has promised to deport even legal immigrants. He wants nothing but whypeeple here in 'murikkka. Please cite the speech/policy memo in which the incoming administration proclaims their support for immigration of persons from South/Central America. Thus far, the only immigration I know of that he favors is that of soft core porn model "geniuses" and students from South Africa who never leave and work illegally, taking credit for the achievements of others.
--Let us not forget who initially called him Hitler. Please cite for the audience the times a member of the Left has used such a term
--Please cite for the audience the statistics regarding rapes and murders pf women by illegals vs. the statistics regarding rapse and murders of women by legal, native born citizens. Bous points for citing numbers by domestic partners.
- Fact. More drugs come through mass entry points (Seaports, airports etc.) than are carried over the border on the backs of people clinging to a few meager possessions in search of better lives.
- The heart of the pandemic occurred when Trump was in office, and he didnt enforce vaccines for illegals either. he was too busy separating their families and losing their kids.
- Russian interference was and remains real. Operation Lakhta happened, and will happen again. Whether your hero had direct involvement or deep knowledge remains to be seen. It is my bet that he had, due to his "useful idiot" status, at least a cursory knowledge, but due to his loose tongue and looser brain, they kept intricate details from him. Although the Mueller report concludes that they did not establish that the campaign conspired/coordinated with Moscow in interference activities, investigators had a picture of interference that occurred and was welcomed by the Trump campaign. Also identified were definite links with Russian spies, and lest we forget the most damning statement by Mr. Mueller- "..."while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him." The Lefts pursuit of him is justified. The Rights pursuit of Mr Biden proved, conversely, nothing. #redherring
- After he left office, my wife asked me if I had anything good to say about him, to which I replied "Well, he will die someday, and he didnt start a new war..." so there is that.
- I personally reserve the right to talk shit about him and his supporters as long as they are complete and utterly delusional traitors, thugs, morons and losers. It is my right under the Constitution.
- Fact. The only reason he ran again was to stay out of jail. An effort that thus far has proven successful. Time will tell. He doesnt care a whit for anyone other than himself. Soon his followers will turn on him, and it is only a matter of time before his own party brings about 25th Amendment actions against him.
Whats the over/under on how many days he spends golfing this go, and how mush $$ he will glean from this one???
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Hes not wrong. Those of you who have not read "A peoples history of the United States' by Zinn should avail yourselves of it before its too late. Presented here for ease of access.
[Audiobook] - A Peoples History of The United States of America - Howard Zinn
Howard Zinn's landmark book that challenges the sugar coated and bowlderised history that many of us are were taught in school with the honest and frequently...
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Its not necesarily a bad thing. Its also the foundation for development and prosperity.
Freedom and the american self sufficiency ideals are all based on Me.
On the other side of the coin, you have the japanese society with its social-centric culture, with all its pros and cons.
I just think Trump knew how to tune into that cultural trait, and cranked to 11.
So the 10 million democrat voters stayed home because kamala was a black woman? Personally I think if even a generic white male candidate was jammed down our throats the same way she was, we’d be in the same mess. I just don’t buy that those folks stayed home because she is a woman, but rather because she kinda sucked, and the dems didn’t run on the issues that people care about most right now- inflation and immigration.
"It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them. First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.
Today, while the very rich are doing phenomenally well, 60% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck and we have more income and wealth inequality than ever before. Unbelievably, real, inflation-accounted-for weekly wages for the average American worker are actually lower now than they were 50 years ago.
Today, despite an explosion in technology and worker productivity, many young people will have a worse standard of living than their parents. And many of them worry that Artificial Intelligence and robotics will make a bad situation even worse.
Today, despite spending far more per capita than other countries, we remain the only wealthy nation not to guarantee health care to all as a human right and we pay, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. We, alone among major countries, cannot even guarantee paid family and medical leave.
Today, despite strong opposition from a majority of Americans, we continue to spend billions funding the extremist Netanyahu government’s all out war against the Palestinian people which has led to the horrific humanitarian disaster of mass malnutrition and the starvation of thousands of children.
Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign? Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.
In the coming weeks and months those of us concerned about grassroots democracy and economic justice need to have some very serious political discussions.
Stay tuned." - Bernie Sanders
Today, while the very rich are doing phenomenally well, 60% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck and we have more income and wealth inequality than ever before. Unbelievably, real, inflation-accounted-for weekly wages for the average American worker are actually lower now than they were 50 years ago.
Today, despite an explosion in technology and worker productivity, many young people will have a worse standard of living than their parents. And many of them worry that Artificial Intelligence and robotics will make a bad situation even worse.
Today, despite spending far more per capita than other countries, we remain the only wealthy nation not to guarantee health care to all as a human right and we pay, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. We, alone among major countries, cannot even guarantee paid family and medical leave.
Today, despite strong opposition from a majority of Americans, we continue to spend billions funding the extremist Netanyahu government’s all out war against the Palestinian people which has led to the horrific humanitarian disaster of mass malnutrition and the starvation of thousands of children.
Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign? Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.
In the coming weeks and months those of us concerned about grassroots democracy and economic justice need to have some very serious political discussions.
Stay tuned." - Bernie Sanders
I think the demand for change was what got Trump in the first time and why he’s back. Biden didn’t impress people. Harris was seen as an extension of Biden regardless of gender, race, or age.
I think that a lot of people see the Ukraine and Gaza issues as money coming out of the US and that money is from tax payer dollars. This might be oversimplifying it, but I can’t help thinking that voters assume if those conflicts stop then US dollars stop flowing and their individual tax burdens will decrease. And even if they don’t, at least the money isn’t (visibly) going to pockets outside the US borders. The Dems tried to paint a picture of how the wealthy were gouging the working class and that taxing the wealthy could level the playing field. Two major problems with that are:
1) Nobody could put together a clear Katie Porter picture of the Dems sources and uses versus how Trump’s plans would benefit high earners and corporations but not lower level earners.
2) Americans cringe at the idea that success is penalized, and taxing the wealthy looks like penalizing success.
I don’t have any data to back this up but it’s the impression that’s starting to form.
I think that a lot of people see the Ukraine and Gaza issues as money coming out of the US and that money is from tax payer dollars. This might be oversimplifying it, but I can’t help thinking that voters assume if those conflicts stop then US dollars stop flowing and their individual tax burdens will decrease. And even if they don’t, at least the money isn’t (visibly) going to pockets outside the US borders. The Dems tried to paint a picture of how the wealthy were gouging the working class and that taxing the wealthy could level the playing field. Two major problems with that are:
1) Nobody could put together a clear Katie Porter picture of the Dems sources and uses versus how Trump’s plans would benefit high earners and corporations but not lower level earners.
2) Americans cringe at the idea that success is penalized, and taxing the wealthy looks like penalizing success.
I don’t have any data to back this up but it’s the impression that’s starting to form.
No mandown,Gaza and Ukraine are two different matters. Please do not Insult me with this thought. Oversimplifying?
Are you Insane?
You think the People of America are thinking of Gaza as a Tax Paying Problem? Indeed it is,a serious one. A Mind Boggling One. Nothing New for USA though.
The People are Upset for 15 thousand or more Children Who are Dead!
I Could on,but I am too upset and not in the right mind.
Avy
What is with the fucking hang up on immigration for both Dems and Reps? Even some of you guys seem to be saying you want less immigration. Why?
“Undocumented” is just a nice way of saying “illegal.” Who fucking cares if they filled out some bullshit government form or not? They are here working harder than any natural born American, paying taxes and taking minimum benefits in return.
I say let people in. If you’re desperate enough to come to this shithole with all the people that hate you, you’re coming here for a reason - to work hard and earn some money in my experience.
Fwiw, I have knowingly lived and worked illegally in three countries. So, I guess I have a little different view of the whole “illegal immigrant worker” thing.
“Undocumented” is just a nice way of saying “illegal.” Who fucking cares if they filled out some bullshit government form or not? They are here working harder than any natural born American, paying taxes and taking minimum benefits in return.
I say let people in. If you’re desperate enough to come to this shithole with all the people that hate you, you’re coming here for a reason - to work hard and earn some money in my experience.
Fwiw, I have knowingly lived and worked illegally in three countries. So, I guess I have a little different view of the whole “illegal immigrant worker” thing.
“[M]ore to the point, there was nothing even a more invigorated Biden or a less, you know, female alternative could have offered. Racial grievances, dissatisfaction with life’s travails (including substance addiction and lack of education), and resentment toward the villainous elites in faraway cities cannot be placated by housing policy or interest-rate cuts.”
- Tom Nichols
- Tom Nichols
Yes. Now take the next couple of thinking steps.
we’re here because well over half of all Americans hate women and trans people, and support rape and insurrections, and racism and hatred and selfishness and narcissism and the worship of money and being terrible to each other.
This isn’t an aberration. This is what America is, and always has been, and is now celebrating, and it’ll be stuck in this space now for decades.
This isn’t an aberration. This is what America is, and always has been, and is now celebrating, and it’ll be stuck in this space now for decades.
I get your point but it’s a pretty blanketed and inaccurate statement. The group you described is much smaller than half of the population. The US has roughly 345 million people. 72 million voted for D2S this time and in 2016.
I hate that the racist pieces of trash in this country are the loudest and most visible. But to say we all support this behavior is insulting.
I just quoted the part of Changleens post that struck me the most. But out of the entire population, it seems that over half are racist pieces of trash. Some just don’t vote.
I will be eligible for Portuguese citizenship in 2 years. When I get it I will immediately pay my $2,300 to renounce my US citizenship.
If it ain’t worth explaining your point, it ain’t worth understanding it.
Math is hard, huh ?
What is happening here is a head scratcher for sure. I can tell you without a doubt that there are Trump supporters, who despite being way too far into the cult mentality, are not racist hate filled Neanderthals. A good friend is gay and ex-military. Two things D2S has disparaged openly. Yet my friend could only think of the economy and the working class who struggle to buy food and basic necessities. And that’s just one person like that I know.
Let’s be clear that what is happening is exposing more starkly than ever the divide in US culture. I know some of my American friends are literally in shock and tears about this. These particular humans are absolutely not supporting the misogyny, the racism, the climate denial, the fascism of team pedo.
But, I also think this throws some characteristics of US culture that are generally supported by red and blue alike, a far higher percentage of the population, (still excluding some people on here and people like my aforementioned friends) into sharper focus. What’s it going to take to make US society understand that giving individuals primacy over collective is fundamentally toxic? The going fast vs. going far metaphor has never been so stark.
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You drive my point home perfectly. You fall for the divisive tactics and point your derision at me, a democrat who chose unity and progress, rather than the racists on the right.
You got it right there. Neither major party works to address the issue.
How has your friend got to the point where they can possibly think that maga policies are going to make this better? Where money has become such a god above even basic humanity? What messaging are they hearing and accepting? Why are they ignoring the ample evidence of history, when it is more accessible than ever?
I’m not trying to attack your friend, I’m really trying to ask how things have got to this point. I think we all agree this significant parts of the problem are systemic, beyond even the red/blue divide right?
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I ask this question every fucking day man. Trump has a hold on people like I haven’t seen since Jim Jones and his Koolaid.
Maybe I’m a little sensitive to the whole guilt by association thing. Being a Southerner, there are those who assume, without having ever met me, that I am a Cousin humping, Confederate Flag waving, Gay bashing racist. It does get tiresome.