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Bob the Builder
Aug 24, 2004
24,734
12,514
In the cleavage of the Tetons
It has nothing to do with who didn’t get elected, it’s all about the lying sack of shit-weasel who did, and the mouth breathing dumb-fucks who have been duped by snake oil bulkshit.

Oh, and the death of any adherence to the Constitution. Which was predictable, as according to many sources, dump is essentially illiterate.
 

Montana rider

Tom Sawyer
Mar 14, 2005
1,946
2,622
I'm sure if I craft a reasonable argument, the mouth breathers on the other side will acknowledge the logic behind my thesis and change their mind.

Mouth breathers:
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Ah well nevertheless
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AngryMetalsmith

Business is good, thanks for asking
Jun 4, 2006
22,090
12,813
I have no idea where I am
Funny, I’m the one acting like a spoiled child that didn’t get my way. Playing the hatred card. Just proves my point. I struggle to debate anyone with a different view. Backed in a corner I play the hate, misogynist & race card. It’s all I have. Again, I seriously feel bad for me that my life apparently is crumbling apart because Trump got elected. I guess I can leave the country to along with all the celebrities. Probably best I take a time out in my safe space, I‘ll probably fell better. I’ll even bring myself a juice box! LOL!
Fx’d
 

Jozz

Joe Dalton
Apr 18, 2002
6,200
7,922
SADL
you don’t have it on your 2025 bingo card?
Mass deportation on day 1
Dictator for just one day
Staff the Supreme Court
Exit NATO
End Ukraine/Russia
End Israel/Palestine
Tariff everything
Lower prices
RFK in charge of vaccines
Musk in charge of privacy

there’s so many ways to win.
Were do we fit the "one really violent day"?
 

iRider

Turbo Monkey
Apr 5, 2008
5,714
3,181
The US is not ready if ever for a progressive socialist agenda in which the current democratic party wants.
Democratic party....progressive socialist???? :confused:
In most european countries they would be considered center, if not right of center with their policies.

The left wants to control every aspect of your life by giving everyone free stuff i.e student loan reimbursement, $25K for a down payment on a first time buyers home, a forgivable loan of $20K for African Americans to start a marijuana business. .....
You make this sound like a bad thing. But is it? Sure, hard working people pay for it with their taxes, but they would have more money in their pockets (even with these taxes) if they would not have to pay for healthcare, paying back their student loans, etc.
This "socialist" system works in many other countries just fine, standard of living is much higher (not only for the rich). What puzzles me is, that the people that claim to be Christian are so blatantly ignorant of what the bible and Jesus actually preach.

.....It's not a Kool aid thing that drew more towards Trump, it's his policies and him putting America first.
He is putting an ideal of an America first that is long disconnected from reality, if it even existed. You are buying into a dream.
Countries that really put themselves first and do not want/need the contact to the rest of the World are really driving, e.g. North Korea. :rolleyes: Are you saying the US should go that route?
 

Sandwich

Pig my fish!
Staff member
May 23, 2002
21,856
7,105
borcester rhymes
This narrative and this specific example are utter bullshit. Yes, you have less spending power with your paycheck, but it’s bc of your own belief in and support of the Rep version of the “free market.”

The billionaire (and millionaire) class is causing inflation and while they are being supported by both parties, one party is clearly more supportive.

It’s not Biden, Obama or even Bush or Clinton. It’s you and your belief in unfettered consumption driven capitalism.

eta: “you” doesn’t mean @Sandwich it’s the editorial you…
you ain't wrong, but I was just trying to point out that not even gun users rights were eroded due to biden's presidency. Meanwhile, my daughter will not go to college in a red state because of their abortion bans. So the scales aren't even.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
20,184
10,716
AK
Welcome to the United Christian States, might as well put it right there in the title so everyone knows they are put their bullshit religion in everything.
 

mandown

Poopdeck Repost
Jun 1, 2004
21,866
9,168
Transylvania 90210
There a lot to be said for branding. Trump’s side worked the branding angle more than the policy angle (from what I observed in my bubble). The Dems couldn’t make their brand work and they couldn’t get the other side branded as weird.

This might be an inherent difference in how left and right looks at the world. Perhaps right wing voters like labels and big simple silos while left wing voters don’t, and that is part of the divide. There are a lot more minutiae labels on the left but not siloed into brands, making it complicated to summarize.
 

6thElement

Schrodinger's Immigrant
Jul 29, 2008
17,273
14,744
I can’t wait for the freedom that comes from outlawing vaccines. Not the oppression of just rolling back mandates.
When do I get to break out the Simpsons British bad teeth meme but for Murica after fluoride is banned in water supplies by RFK?
Welcome to the United Christian States, might as well put it right there in the title so everyone knows they are put their bullshit religion in everything.
So you're saying as a godless heathen immigrant I should pack my bags now?

(If Brexit hadn't fucked British people, I'd have totally been looking into living in continental yurp in the future)
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
32,234
381
Bay Area, California
Brian, your complete lack of self awareness, coupled with your inability to comprehend a slightly different world view means it’s pointless talking to your ridiculous ass. You’re a mental and moral midget. You’re embarrassing yourself. You haven’t made a single cogent point, but you’re talking about debate. It’s laughable if it wasn’t so sad.
LOL! Funny! Please worry about your own country politics and stay out of ours.
 

Avy

Turbo Monkey
Jan 24, 2006
1,414
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Again Avy, If Hamas surrenders and frees the hostages the attack on Gaza is over & done. It's up to one group & Israel will not stop until every last Hamas terrorist is gone. Unfortunately that's off the table for Hamas and probably will not stop because they want every last Jew removed from the planet.
Hold on Brother. I was not talking to you. So do not start your sentence with “Again”,as if you have a point you have already told me. You don’t,Avy knows where you stand on that as I have already asked you.

I realize you are Happy Trump won,and I know this is pure Bliss for you. You have every right to come here and speak. However,you are not edumacated on the matter of Israel,and the History. You only speak of Oct 7th.

The last time I spoke to you it was a Jm Video. Check page 65? I was waiting,still am. I would like an answer to that question from you.

Last,this question is very important to me that you answer. There is only One Right answer Brother. If you get it right,I will be surprised.

Why did BB Fire his Defense Minister?

Avy
 

iRider

Turbo Monkey
Apr 5, 2008
5,714
3,181
Didn't the supreme court rule that the sitting president has immunity? Joe should use that, he has 2 more months. :butcher:
 

sunringlerider

Wood fluffer
Oct 30, 2006
4,321
7,953
Corn Fields of Indiana
Biden/Harris administration was always bashing the Trump voter and calling gf Trump supporters "garbage".
For fucks sake Brian. Are you fucking serious? Since 2015 Obama was from Kenya, FUCK JOE BIDEN flags, Joe and the Hoe must go signs. BUT HOLY FUCK BIDEN CALLED US GARBAGE. . . that's un American you snow flake pussies. For fucks sake.

Oh and you comment about African Americans and a weed business, just call them by the "N" word. You know you want to.
 

sunringlerider

Wood fluffer
Oct 30, 2006
4,321
7,953
Corn Fields of Indiana
Funny, you’re the one acting like a spoiled child that didn’t get his way. Playing the hatred card. Just proves my point. You struggle to debate anyone with a different view. Backed in a corner you play the hate, misogynist & race card. It’s all you progressive people have. Again, I seriously feel bad for you that your life apparently is crumbling apart because Harris didn’t get elected. I guess you can leave the country to along with all the celebrities. Probably best you take a time out in your safe space, you’ll probably fell better. I’ll even bring you a juice box! LOL!
Have you been asleep since Trump rolled into the scene? Apparently, or wait he doesn't mean what he says or does he? I cant remember. I've been trying to find the verse in the bible where Jesus raped someone. I'll keep looking maybe I'll find it today.
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
32,234
381
Bay Area, California
Sounds like you need to cut out avocado toast and lattes?

Really looking forward to cheap groceries once the entire workforce responsible for producing them has been deported. That'll save everyone money.
So why should I have change my lifestyle of enjoying avocado toast & lattes? They were adorable up until 4 years ago.

Help me out here. So it's only the illegal immigrants that pick the produce in the USA? The ones that follow the rules and come here legally can actually do that same job. Correct me if I'm wrong here? FYI: My father In-Law's family immigrated legally from Mexico, they played by the rules when they came here.

Fun fact: The state of California spent $22B on illegal immigration alone last year of my hard earned tax dollars. We are now over $68B in debt as a state. Why don't you take in a family and support them on your own?
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
32,234
381
Bay Area, California
For fucks sake Brian. Are you fucking serious? Since 2015 Obama was from Kenya, FUCK JOE BIDEN flags, Joe and the Hoe must go signs. BUT HOLY FUCK BIDEN CALLED US GARBAGE. . . that's un American you snow flake pussies. For fucks sake.

Oh and you comment about African Americans and a weed business, just call them by the "N" word. You know you want to.
From Kamala's own site #5: Even attached the link. So you can apologize now to me

Vice President Harris Will Deliver for Black Men
She Will Provide the Tools to Black Men to Build Wealth, Support Their Families, and Lead in Their Communities
Vice President Harris will build an Opportunity Economy where everyone has the opportunity to not just get by, but to get ahead. She knows that Black men have long felt that too often their voice in our political process has gone unheard and that there is so much untapped ambition and leadership within the Black male community. Black men and boys deserve a president who will provide the opportunity to unleash this talent and potential by removing historic barriers to wealth creation, education, employment, earnings, health, and improving the criminal justice system. Black men deserve a president who will deliver on promises and equip them with the tools and resources to make their aspirations a reality.

This year, Vice President Harris launched a first-of-its-kind, nationwide Economic Opportunity Tour to help entrepreneurs access the capital and resources they need to launch and grow their businesses, build wealth, and strengthen their communities—especially Black male entrepreneurs. While traveling across the country to cities like Atlanta, Detroit, and Charlotte, she heard powerful stories from Black men about the biggest hurdles that still make it too difficult for them to get their businesses off the ground and grow them to meet their full ambitions and discussed policies that can help break down remaining barriers to success.

Drawing on insights from her experience throughout her career and her Economic Opportunity Tour, today Vice President Harris is laying out an Opportunity Agenda for Black Men to provide them with the tools to achieve financial freedom, lower costs to better provide for themselves and their families, and protect their rights. This pathbreaking agenda includes:

  1. Providing 1 million loans that are fully forgivable to Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business.
  2. Championing education, training, and mentorship programs that help Black men get good-paying jobs in high-demand industries and lead their communities, including pathways to become teachers.
  3. Supporting a regulatory framework for cryptocurrency and other digital assets so Black men who invest in and own these assets are protected.
  4. Launching a National Health Equity Initiative focused on Black Men that addresses sickle cell disease, diabetes, mental health, prostate cancer, and other health challenges that disproportionately impact them.
  5. Legalizing recreational marijuana and creating opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry.

https://kamalaharris.com/agenda/
 

sunringlerider

Wood fluffer
Oct 30, 2006
4,321
7,953
Corn Fields of Indiana
From Kamala's own site #5: Even attached the link. So you can apologize now to me

Vice President Harris Will Deliver for Black Men
She Will Provide the Tools to Black Men to Build Wealth, Support Their Families, and Lead in Their Communities
Vice President Harris will build an Opportunity Economy where everyone has the opportunity to not just get by, but to get ahead. She knows that Black men have long felt that too often their voice in our political process has gone unheard and that there is so much untapped ambition and leadership within the Black male community. Black men and boys deserve a president who will provide the opportunity to unleash this talent and potential by removing historic barriers to wealth creation, education, employment, earnings, health, and improving the criminal justice system. Black men deserve a president who will deliver on promises and equip them with the tools and resources to make their aspirations a reality.

This year, Vice President Harris launched a first-of-its-kind, nationwide Economic Opportunity Tour to help entrepreneurs access the capital and resources they need to launch and grow their businesses, build wealth, and strengthen their communities—especially Black male entrepreneurs. While traveling across the country to cities like Atlanta, Detroit, and Charlotte, she heard powerful stories from Black men about the biggest hurdles that still make it too difficult for them to get their businesses off the ground and grow them to meet their full ambitions and discussed policies that can help break down remaining barriers to success.

Drawing on insights from her experience throughout her career and her Economic Opportunity Tour, today Vice President Harris is laying out an Opportunity Agenda for Black Men to provide them with the tools to achieve financial freedom, lower costs to better provide for themselves and their families, and protect their rights. This pathbreaking agenda includes:

  1. Providing 1 million loans that are fully forgivable to Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business.
  2. Championing education, training, and mentorship programs that help Black men get good-paying jobs in high-demand industries and lead their communities, including pathways to become teachers.
  3. Supporting a regulatory framework for cryptocurrency and other digital assets so Black men who invest in and own these assets are protected.
  4. Launching a National Health Equity Initiative focused on Black Men that addresses sickle cell disease, diabetes, mental health, prostate cancer, and other health challenges that disproportionately impact them.
  5. Legalizing recreational marijuana and creating opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry.

https://kamalaharris.com/agenda/
I'll get right on that.
So you summarized that and came up with Black guys and weed business. Isn't weed legal in Cali??
And apologize for what? I didn't call you garbage or anything. Oh wait did I?
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
32,234
381
Bay Area, California
I'll get right on that.
So you summarized that and came up with Black guys and weed business. Isn't weed legal in Cali??
And apologize for what? I didn't call you garbage or anything. Oh wait did I?
Yes, weed is legal here in CA. It was referring to up to $20K in forgivable business loans to start a weed business for example. So why would I refer to a black person as the "N" word when I was repeating what Kamala said? That's where the apology is owed. However I know you're not man enough to do so.

I can give a shit about you calling me garbage, I've been called much worse in my 58 years on this planet.
 

ebarker9

Monkey
Oct 2, 2007
893
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So why should I have change my lifestyle of enjoying avocado toast & lattes? They were adorable up until 4 years ago.

Help me out here. So it's only the illegal immigrants that pick the produce in the USA? The ones that follow the rules and come here legally can actually do that same job. Correct me if I'm wrong here? FYI: My father In-Law's family immigrated legally from Mexico, they played by the rules when they came here.

Fun fact: The state of California spent $22B on illegal immigration alone last year of my hard earned tax dollars. We are now over $68B in debt as a state. Why don't you take in a family and support them on your own?
I'll attempt to respond to this in good faith, which is probably an exercise in futility, but whatever.

So, no, it's not only the illegal immigrants that pick the produce. I've seen varying estimates but they seem to generally suggest that around half of farmworkers are undocumented migrants. If the Trump policy were "We need to dramatically reform and invest in a system that better allows for legal options for immigrating and supporting our vital industries", great, totally on board. The legal immigration system is completely fucked and in no way equipped to rapidly allow for the replacement of these workers. So, as of now, Trump's stated policy is to eliminate half of the farm workforce with zero plans for how to backfill those numbers. My point was about food costs...do you see any world in which that results in a decrease in the cost of food? These are people who also clearly do not care in the slightest about the distinction between legal vs illegal immigration (see Haitians in Springfield as one of many, many examples of this).

Care to cite any figures about what illegal immigrants bring in to the CA economy (it's several multiples of the figures that you're citing)? And pay in taxes?

Anyone serious about this issue should be discussing legal pathways to citizenship and immigration reform, not simplistic illegals = bad BS, which gets the base riled up but completely ignores the reality of how dependent we are as a society on that population, and how incredibly inhumane and counterproductive mass deportation would be.
 

sunringlerider

Wood fluffer
Oct 30, 2006
4,321
7,953
Corn Fields of Indiana
Yes, weed is legal here in CA. It was referring to up to $20K in forgivable business loans to start a weed business for example. So why would I refer to a black person as the "N" word when I was repeating what Kamala said? That's where the apology is owed. However I know you're not man enough to do so.

I can give a shit about you calling me garbage, I've been called much worse in my 58 years on this planet.
I know this is hard for your 58 year old mind to conceptualize. There are certain things that folks say typically when referring to a demographic of people. One of those is that them pesky colored boys and their liking for maryguuwanna. So here's the part that is going to just make that brain hurt. You "Brian", reading what the Harris Camp said, came up with the summary of the program only giving money to African American Men to start a weed business? So you're referring to a know racist trope. . . ?? Call a spade a spade brocacho. And yet you want me to apologize again for what? I am sorry that I didn't come right out and call you racist. Now is that better? I am sorry that I didn't do that first.
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
32,234
381
Bay Area, California
I'll attempt to respond to this in good faith, which is probably an exercise in futility, but whatever.

So, no, it's not only the illegal immigrants that pick the produce. I've seen varying estimates but they seem to generally suggest that around half of farmworkers are undocumented migrants. If the Trump policy were "We need to dramatically reform and invest in a system that better allows for legal options for immigrating and supporting our vital industries", great, totally on board. The legal immigration system is completely fucked and in no way equipped to rapidly allow for the replacement of these workers. So, as of now, Trump's stated policy is to eliminate half of the farm workforce with zero plans for how to backfill those numbers. My point was about food costs...do you see any world in which that results in a decrease in the cost of food? These are people who also clearly do not care in the slightest about the distinction between legal vs illegal immigration (see Haitians in Springfield as one of many, many examples of this).

Care to cite any figures about what illegal immigrants bring in to the CA economy (it's several multiples of the figures that you're citing)? And pay in taxes?

Anyone serious about this issue should be discussing legal pathways to citizenship and immigration reform, not simplistic illegals = bad BS, which gets the base riled up but completely ignores the reality of how dependent we are as a society on that population, and how incredibly inhumane and counterproductive mass deportation would be.
One of the biggest problems was most came here unvetted. The farm workers for example should be streamlined towards at least a work visa as many are seasonal. However there are a lot of bad seeds were allowed to come into this country, so yes all need to be removed then vetted and allowed to come back in if they meet the criteria and can contribute without having the tax payers pay to support them.