[ALEXIS_DH]

I'll attempt to respond to this in good faith, which is probably an exercise in futility, but whatever.

So, no, it's not only the illegal immigrants that pick the produce. I've seen varying estimates but they seem to generally suggest that around half of farmworkers are undocumented migrants. If the Trump policy were "We need to dramatically reform and invest in a system that better allows for legal options for immigrating and supporting our vital industries", great, totally on board. The legal immigration system is completely fucked and in no way equipped to rapidly allow for the replacement of these workers. So, as of now, Trump's stated policy is to eliminate half of the farm workforce with zero plans for how to backfill those numbers. My point was about food costs...do you see any world in which that results in a decrease in the cost of food? These are people who also clearly do not care in the slightest about the distinction between legal vs illegal immigration (see Haitians in Springfield as one of many, many examples of this).

Care to cite any figures about what illegal immigrants bring in to the CA economy (it's several multiples of the figures that you're citing)? And pay in taxes?

Anyone serious about this issue should be discussing legal pathways to citizenship and immigration reform, not simplistic illegals = bad BS, which gets the base riled up but completely ignores the reality of how dependent we are as a society on that population, and how incredibly inhumane and counterproductive mass deportation would be.

Facts dont matter.

I doubt he will do much about illegals on farms. Farmers get huge subsidies as it is, which means they must have strong lobbying muscles.

Trump will probably round a few hundred at the border, make a huge show to thrist the quench of brown blood from his base and thats it.

 

[jonKranked]

The farm workers for example should be streamlined towards at least a work visa as many are seasonal.

so an expansion of the h1b visa program?

 

[ebarker9]

One of the biggest problems was most came here unvetted. The farm workers for example should be streamlined towards at least a work visa as many are seasonal. However there are a lot of bad seeds were allowed to come into this country, so yes all need to be removed then vetted and allowed to come back in if they meet the criteria and can contribute without having the tax payers pay to support them.

Again, this will result in cheaper food costs how?

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

so an expansion of the h1b visa program?

Farmer workers have their version of the h1b.
But its very expensive for the employer, who pays housing, travel, recruiters and food on top.
Much cheaper to hire already available illegals, thus why the make up half of farm workers

 

[sunringlerider]

One of the biggest problems was most came here unvetted. The farm workers for example should be streamlined towards at least a work visa as many are seasonal. However there are a lot of bad seeds were allowed to come into this country, so yes all need to be removed then vetted and allowed to come back in if they meet the criteria and can contribute without having the tax payers pay to support them.

I can think of a few bad seeds to remove. ..
Farm workers, roofers, insulation installers, beef processing plant, egg plants, pork plants.
I know I am just a libtard, but have you ever been in lets say the JBS slaughter plant in Greeley, CO? Or the IBP plant in Logansport, IN. I hate to break it to you, but 90% of those employees aint legal or white. How about Midwest Poultry's egg processing house? I'm sure you've been in there. You seem to know so much.
Also, I am really confused. maybe you can help me with this. I mean I'm barely a man and all. Is capitalism good or not good?

 

[Toshi]

there's no doubt that actually executing Trump's promised plans would be terrible both on an economic and a human condition perspective.

so the question is whether he does it because he listens to Bannon and Miller or if he backs off because he listens to his rich CEO "friends" trying to steer him to being more conventional.

 

[SkaredShtles]

I can think of a few bad seeds to remove. ..
Farm workers, roofers, insulation installers, beef processing plant, egg plants, pork plants.
I know I am just a libtard, but have you ever been in lets say the JBS slaughter plant in Greeley, CO? Or the IBP plant in Logansport, IN. I hate to break it to you, but 90% of those employees aint legal or white. How about Midwest Poultry's egg processing house? I'm sure you've been in there. You seem to know so much.
Also, I am really confused. maybe you can help me with this. I mean I'm barely a man and all. Is capitalism good or not good?

You going to be the one to break it to him that real Capitalism requires completely open borders for the free flow of labor resources?

 

[chuffer]

I can think of a few bad seeds to remove. ..
Farm workers, roofers, insulation installers, beef processing plant, egg plants, pork plants.
I know I am just a libtard, but have you ever been in lets say the JBS slaughter plant in Greeley, CO? Or the IBP plant in Logansport, IN. I hate to break it to you, but 90% of those employees aint legal or white. How about Midwest Poultry's egg processing house? I'm sure you've been in there. You seem to know so much.
Also, I am really confused. maybe you can help me with this. I mean I'm barely a man and all. Is capitalism good or not good?

…or any produce pick any where ever?

Also, you are the only one engaged in a good faith conversation at this point. Disengage and be better for it.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

there's no doubt that actually executing Trump's promised plans would be terrible both on an economic and a human condition perspective.

so the question is whether he does it because he listens to Bannon and Miller or if he backs off because he listens to his rich CEO "friends" trying to steer him to being more conventional.

He backs off. He already got the votes he needed from the poors and there is no 3rd term.

The machine needs those sweet indentured servants, be it illegal farm workers or cheap h1b stem graduates.

 

[sunringlerider]

…or any produce pick any where ever?

Also, you are the only engaged in a good faith conversation at this point. Disengage and be better for it.

I know. . . I'll shut up.

 

[SkaredShtles]

there is no 3rd term.

Maybe...

 

[ebarker9]

Maybe...

If he can run again again in 2028, so can Obama.

(Not advocating for either thing to happen, just thought it was an amusing observation from one of the podcast bros yesterday)

 

[mykel]

Who is going to pay for the removal of the bad brown people, cause it ain't gonna be easy or cheap.
Maybe Big Brain Brian can open his wallet to make his dream come true.

 

[boostindoubles]

The H2A visa guest worker program issued 370,000 visa's in 2022.

Florida, California, Georgia were the 3 biggest states for the program.

 

[4xBoy]

Welcome to the United Christian States, might as well put it right there in the title so everyone knows they are put their bullshit religion in everything.

Which one? Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Mormon, Jehovah?

 

[Pesqueeb]

Which one? Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Mormon, Jehovah?

Don't worry. Once they have chased out the Mexicans, the blacks, the Muslims, the Jews, and the gays, they will turn on each other. Because that's how fascism works. They will always need a group to malign.

 

[Jm_]

Which one? Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Mormon, Jehovah?

Yes

 

[Changleen]

Which one? Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Mormon, Jehovah?

It’s a newish one, church of the racist hypocritical moron.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

I can think of a few bad seeds to remove. ..
Farm workers, roofers, insulation installers, beef processing plant, egg plants, pork plants.
I know I am just a libtard, but have you ever been in lets say the JBS slaughter plant in Greeley, CO? Or the IBP plant in Logansport, IN. I hate to break it to you, but 90% of those employees aint legal or white. How about Midwest Poultry's egg processing house? I'm sure you've been in there. You seem to know so much.
Also, I am really confused. maybe you can help me with this. I mean I'm barely a man and all. Is capitalism good or not good?

Yep, capitalism is good. In my company all our Hispanic (which is our entire labor crew of 25 or so) workers are legal and/or have work visa's. Never been to the places you mentioned other visiting i.e. Greeley, Ft Collins & Loveland. I have one friend locally which is a cattle rancher raises cattle for slaughter, but sells them before hand. All his ranch hands are the same, here legally or have temporary work visas. It is all about the process, but you can still enjoy capitalism and do it legally. However I do feel companies should be fined and/or shut down if they have illegals working for them until they can follow the rules.

 

[ebarker9]

However I do feel companies should be fined and/or shut down if they have illegals working for them until they can follow the rules.

Which, if we are to take Trump at his word (always a dangerous thing), is going to be a large portion of multiple necessary industries. If the true motivation of voters was affordability/inflation, I don't see how collapsing the agricultural and home building markets is going to lead to lowered costs. Would it not be better to focus on expanding and improving upon the programs that you cite rather than mass deportation of millions of people with nothing to fill the void?

 

[SkaredShtles]

Don't worry. Once they have chased out the Mexicans, the blacks, the Muslims, the Jews

This will be around the time the leopards eat Brain's face, no?

 

[jonKranked]

if you think inflation is bad, wait until you see how much prices go up on from tariffs on goods for which there is no domestically produced equivalent.

 

[SkaredShtles]

if you think inflation is bad, wait until you see how much prices go up on from tariffs on goods for which there is no domestically produced equivalent.

And the effect on farmers when China institutes retaliatory tariffs on corn and soybeans.

 

[ebarker9]

How much of a tariff would you need to put on common, cheap consumer items, say a toaster, to make Walmart start buying toasters from US manufacturers, if there even is a US toaster manufacturer?

 

[jonKranked]

if there even is a US toaster manufacturer?

 

[SkaredShtles]

How much of a tariff would you need to put on common, cheap consumer items, say a toaster, to make Walmart start buying toasters from US manufacturers, if there even is a US toaster manufacturer?

Oh, you sweet summer child.

 

[Changleen]

Yep, capitalism is good. In my company all our Hispanic (which is our entire labor crew of 25 or so) workers are legal and/or have work visa's. Never been to the places you mentioned other visiting i.e. Greeley, Ft Collins & Loveland. I have one friend locally which is a cattle rancher raises cattle for slaughter, but sells them before hand. All his ranch hands are the same, here legally or have temporary work visas. It is all about the process, but you can still enjoy capitalism and do it legally. However I do feel companies should be fined and/or shut down if they have illegals working for them until they can follow the rules.

‘Capitalism is good’
‘Obey the rules’

/votes for trump

JFC brian.

 

[boostindoubles]

Having papers does not equal being legal.

Lol

Mar-o-lago is going to lose a bunch of employees in this round up.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

How much of a tariff would you need to put on common, cheap consumer items, say a toaster, to make Walmart start buying toasters from US manufacturers, if there even is a US toaster manufacturer?

I dont think thats the main issue.
The main issue is the supply chain.

 

[ebarker9]

Oh, you sweet summer child.

More of a rhetorical question . This is probably AI generated nonsense but:

Toasters Made in the USA: The Search Continues

Are there any toasters made in the USA anymore? USA Love List editors went searching for American made toasters and this is what they found.

www.usalovelist.com

"If you are looking for the generic style two or four slice counter top toaster, then you will not find a toaster made in the USA. It is too hard for American toaster manufacturers to compete with all of the low cost, made in China toasters on the market. Not many consumers are willing to pay over $300 for a made in USA toaster. Thank you for trying!"

So a ~1000% tariff might drive a push for domestic toaster production. Either way, the average voter who is genuinely struggling financially is not going to be well served with 10x price increases on common goods.

I dont think thats the main issue.
The main issue is the supply chain.

For sure. This is all complete absurdity. This type of manufacturing is probably never coming back to the US, but certainly not in the course of a Presidential term.

 

[jonKranked]

Mar-o-lago is going to lose a bunch of employees in this round up.

rules for thee, but not for me!

 

[mandown]

if you think inflation is bad, wait until you see how much prices go up on from tariffs on goods for which there is no domestically produced equivalent.

I should probably upgrade my phone.

 

[jonKranked]

I should probably upgrade my phone.

Appliances too

 

[mandown]

Appliances too

That sounds like my landlord's problem.

 

[Montana rider]

Reality has a liberal bias, so it's no surprise that R's / Trump loves the poorly educated.

 

[scrublover]

He backs off. He already got the votes he needed from the poors and there is no 3rd term.

The machine needs those sweet indentured servants, be it illegal farm workers or cheap h1b stem graduates.

ayup. they'll deport juuuuuuuust enough to make a good show for the base, but not so much as to actually fuck with the economy.

except he'll probably put inept assholes in charge of ALL THE THINGS and fuck the economy even more.

and still figure out a way to get said base to think it's the fault of the Dems.

 

[Avy]

I just got off work,drinking a Beer and reading,I always have a Beer after work. Something is wrong with my Dog,so I have been upset on top of being upset. I am upset,scared,worried and Hoping for the best.

I am worried about a Nuclear War with Russia,China. This Iran matter is Very Serious. I really feel Most Americans have no clue how dangerous of times we are in. I am scared Brother’s,sick to my stomach,and trying tobe strong for my Wife.

Avy

 

[mandown]

Looking back and thinking today.
So much of the Harris support was about what she wasn't. She wasn't Biden. She wasn't Trump.
I don't think we ever got a campaign, or at least support, about what she was. I think some of that was simply time. She didn't have a campaign trail long enough (even though this cycle felt like an eternity).

 

[mykel]

Looking back and thinking today.
So much of the Harris support was about what she wasn't. She wasn't Biden. She wasn't Trump.
I don't think we ever got a campaign, or at least support, about what she was. I think some of that was simply time. She didn't have a campaign trail long enough to (even though this cycle felt like an eternity).

Your election cycle seems like it takes an eternity from out here looking in. Can't imagine how bad it is actually living inside the fishbowl.

 

[mandown]

Your election cycle seems like it takes an eternity from out here looking in. Can't imagine how bad it is actually living inside the fishbowl.

Seriously. Normally you get a break but Trump could stop squawking from the day he was voted out. Even if he wasn't mashing out 140 characters with his hamberder mitts he was being hauled into or out of a courtroom with full media coverage.