POTUS Election '24...you heard it here first!
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I think maybe once or twice, not 100% sure though. Hopefully you can help out. Do you know what the definition of a woman is?
I'm trying to pull myself out of the political spectrum but haven't been quite able to do so yet....so I've been trolling reddit and other sources looking for a reason that makes some sense why the dems were absolutely clobbered this round.
One that has come up a few times was the large shift in the white male, 19-29 demographic. The poster said something along the lines of "the democratic party has alienated while male voters, demonized them, and that has caused a shift in their voting preferences." I thought that was a pretty interesting take. I consider myself pretty "woke", but everything in the media is about women's rights, trans rights, gay rights, etc. etc (or Don Trump). Looking at the media, it's pretty clear that the dems lost the plot for blue collar middle america. I spoke to my wife about this and she said "I don't care about them, they had their turn" which kind of resonated with me- that's probably why they voted for the candidate that keeps saying "Yay white men" and why we lost the election. I mean, this wasn't a "Lost the presidency" kind of election...democrats lost everywhere, or barely scraped by. Thoughts?
One that has come up a few times was the large shift in the white male, 19-29 demographic. The poster said something along the lines of "the democratic party has alienated while male voters, demonized them, and that has caused a shift in their voting preferences." I thought that was a pretty interesting take. I consider myself pretty "woke", but everything in the media is about women's rights, trans rights, gay rights, etc. etc (or Don Trump). Looking at the media, it's pretty clear that the dems lost the plot for blue collar middle america. I spoke to my wife about this and she said "I don't care about them, they had their turn" which kind of resonated with me- that's probably why they voted for the candidate that keeps saying "Yay white men" and why we lost the election. I mean, this wasn't a "Lost the presidency" kind of election...democrats lost everywhere, or barely scraped by. Thoughts?
We also put a woman of color on the ballot, so there is that. Had it been a man of color, we might have had a chance.
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Jon Stewart’s latest Daily show episode did a pretty interesting bit where they showed how the image of the Dems as promoted by Trump was influential. Dems tried to create an image (with a billion dollar budget) but the Republicans and Trump promoted a different image of who the Dems were and were better at it.
The Dems did “the right thing” but in the wrong way. They gave a woman of color a shot. She was the VP. Makes sense. Where they messed up was the timing and the process. Biden should’ve stepped down sooner and there should’ve been a selection process. They should’ve accepted the backlash of stepping over Harris to find another candidate. They would’ve offended but not lost certain voters who would still go anti Trump. Remember, she didn’t place highly in her campaign for the presidency, and America didn’t respond well to her being selected for them at the last minute. She was a better choice than Biden but not better enough to win.
Jon Stewart’s latest Daily show episode did a pretty interesting bit where they showed how the image of the Dems as promoted by Trump was influential. Dems tried to create an image (with a billion dollar budget) but the Republicans and Trump promoted a different image of who the Dems were and were better at it.
The Dems did “the right thing” but in the wrong way. They gave a woman of color a shot. She was the VP. Makes sense. Where they messed up was the timing and the process. Biden should’ve stepped down sooner and there should’ve been a selection process. They should’ve accepted the backlash of stepping over Harris to find another candidate. They would’ve offended but not lost certain voters who would still go anti Trump. Remember, she didn’t place highly in her campaign for the presidency, and America didn’t respond well to her being selected for them at the last minute. She was a better choice than Biden but not better enough to win.
I’m not saying they would’ve won, but they’d have performed better.
The irony that the Trump allies getting his tax cuts drove up prices and got the Dems to take the fall for inflation.
The irony that the Trump allies getting his tax cuts drove up prices and got the Dems to take the fall for inflation.
Outright lies constantly being spewed by mango, amplified by right wing meeja and swallowed up by a large percentage of the population rates highly as the issue in my immigrant opinion.
I think a bigger factor in the 2021/22 inflation was the supply chain issues from COVID combined with the large amount of $$ injected into the economy, also a result of COVID. But I'm not an economist.
Neither of which the president had any real control over, for the record.
You forgot “growth” aka “greed.”
From Elon Musk to some pitiful bastard living check to check while driving a $80k brodozer everyone wants more more more for less less less.
My CEO literally said these two things to me:
“Everyone else is jacking up prices. So, we can’t just not take the extra money.” This was in response to my pointing out that the cost (on any level) of one of our product lines had not increased, but we were raising prices by ~10%!
“Once we’ve raised the prices we’ll have that much more margin when our costs come back down.” This regarding a different product line for which we were having sourcing issues.
Greed is what is making things cost more.
when it comes to financial knowledge, the average american has had a full frontal lobotomy.
and us rationally thinking people who actually read shit instead of inhaling it via Russian-sourced TikToks are well aware that Powell and the Dem policy bills actually led us better through these headwinds than anyone else in the G7.
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A big chunk of it has to be the failure of the long promised "Roevember." The Dems lost the momentum of that huge piece of their platform, and many of the female votes that it should have locked it in for them. Combine that with the constant bashing of tRumps obvious incompetence/incontinence and the lack of truly concrete platforms to combat his "...concept of a plan..." and his incessant, nonsensical babbling...and then factor in the idea that more people vote AGAINST the Dems than actually vote for the Repubs because of the idiotic, misplaced and uneducated view that the Republicans are for the middle class. Republicans thrive on this, and mobilize voters based on lies and fears of migrant caravans.
I have been a registered Independent for almost all of my voting life. I registered with the Dems for this election because I was doing some work for Democratic candidates. Although I have never, and will never vote for any Republican, I am going back to Independant and will probably die one. Democratic incompetence wrt to campaigns and the running of same wears on you. Clinton v. Trump should have been easy, as should Harris v. Trump.
In the end, I feel that the whole thing devolved into a pooh flinging contest, and although based on conjecture, slippery slopes and outright lies the Republican pooh flinging was far more effective with Joe Sixpack than the truth based Democrat flinging.
Not taking people and their fears serious is the issue, as unfounded as some of these fears might be for someone with a better overview. We are losing a generation of young males as all the talk is about females and minor groups. How many times have mainstream media reported about the 4x higher suicide rates of males vs. females? This is an indication that something is seriously wrong, a mental health crisis that makes this part of the population vulnerable to "easy" solutions.
The scary thing: this is a global phenomenon!
Maslow might have something to say about this election. The right focused on Physical and Security issues while the left was considering loftier Social issues.
I think thats only because the US is the only country who can export inflation. Single digit inflation after the massive monetary expansion is only possible if somebody else absorbs the expansion.
The dollar is the world currency, when Powell dumped a crapload after covid, the rest of the world had to print to keep the exchange rates
How Does The United States Export Inflation?
Over just the last two decades, the United States greatly increased the supply of dollars by lowering interest rates and bailing out corporations through
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if nancy is to be believed....letting Kamala run was not on the bingo card...
joe endorsing her fucked that up.
I think this has a lot to do with it. When my racist high school Facebook friends spout off about the price of gas and food, I just cringe. It's like he's going to take over next year and we will be at $2/gallon and $.99 loaves of bread.
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"The election campaign is over. To achieve success in the election, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. As a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them."-- Russian presidential aide Nikolay Patrushev, quoted by TASS.
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"rUsSiA hOaX" - some fucking moron.Quote of the Day
"The election campaign is over. To achieve success in the election, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. As a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them."-- Russian presidential aide Nikolay Patrushev, quoted by TASS.
Has nothing to do with being a woman of color and everything to do with she was not a good candidate. She was so unpopular in 2020 she was the first to drop out of the presidential race. If the left had a different message and a better candidate like Josh Shapiro they might have won or at least made it real close. End of he day the boarder and economy was top of the list and Harris had no answer for it. The Biden administration downplayed played it until it was too late.
The Bro vote won't vote for a woman, especially one of color. Regardless of message. There are enough folks who hate Trump that a white male would have won.
Alright,let me against what I should say,say.
If Harris said “I am not going to support this Fucking War,there by going against “The Most Powerful Industry In the World”. That alone she would have won. If she said I’m going to raise the minimum wage. That is of 2009 8 dollars to say 20 Dollar’s,that would stir the Nest! You can Not Have a minimum wage of 8 dollars and expect Growth. What the Fuck are you all smoking?
Unless you are on the Side of Big Corp. Then it makes perfect sense.
Forgive Avy,as I see All this Bullshit you all talking,is chasing you’re tail in circles.
Avy
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There is an interesting idea I read today.
Why is Trump so favorably seen in the US vs how he is seen in the rest of the world?
Maybe we havent been exposed to as much propaganda as those inside the US?
Why is Trump so favorably seen in the US vs how he is seen in the rest of the world?
Maybe we havent been exposed to as much propaganda as those inside the US?
This. Bigly.
I've a co-worker who voted for him (based on "the economy" she says...) and I've since shown her all sorts of data/studies/factual information/etc. to refute all the bullshit. And the potential effects of if he gets even half of what he wants. She still thinks it's all fake.
Don't worry, four years from now, we will all be in jail (for thought crimes against cheeto) and the internet will be controlled by Lone Skum.
First thing is getting both of these wars ended. Harris is not capable of doing such a task, period! There is no sugar coating it. Harris met with Putin before he invaded Ukraine and look what happened, he still invaded Ukraine. Trump offers the best shot of getting these wars over and done with. FYI, Israel will not be surrendering any land and Hamas will need to just go away. Remember no new wars started under the last Trump administration.
Wage growth was up under Trump, unfortunately Biden allowed inflation to get way out of hand (yes inflation is globally but ours could have been kept more in check). Remember Biden said himself it was transitory. Most everyone else knew it wasn't and predicted what would happen, and it did. Wages have gone up under the Biden administration, however the 9% inflation erased anyone's chance of getting ahead. Last week I cheated and stopped at McDonalds because I was starving and late for a business appointment. I ordered the 2 cheese burger meal with a med fries and unsweetened iced tea, it was $12. Why is it $12? Because CA raised the minimum wage to $20, so guess who has to pick up the difference? You & me! Every business is out there is to make a profit, that's how all business's work. They make more money and in turn, you'll make more money. I do agree with you 100% the wage to cost of living has been way off balance for the last 40 years and must be fixed. It will be interesting to see what Musk & Ramaswamy can come up with to remove all the wasteful spending in Washington, and we all know there is a lot of it in which can drastically start to bring down our ugly debt.
The next 4 years will go equally as fast as the last 4 years. We all need to put aside our differences and just get along!
I've been to many countries around the world in the last several years and TV wise the only US news source is CNN. They are very anti Trump, so that's all you'll ever hear. So it's very easy to get sucked into one side if you're not here in the US and not realize there is another side with an entirely different opinion.
Bullshit
if elmo can run the country as well as he runs twitter, we'll all be 75% poorer in 1 year's time. Can't wait!
Please name a war then that got the US involved under Trump? I'll wait.
I'm not worried on what happened to twitter. He pissed off a bunch of liberal corporations that advertised through them. He's not stressed out over it, and knew exactly what would happen once he started exposing all the BS the left was doing.
Lol, nice goalpost changing there, chief.
Ill play for fun, though, what constitutes ‘U.S. involvement’?
I encourage you to do your own research
