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Avy

Turbo Monkey
Jan 24, 2006
1,411
466
You called bullshit, so answer the question
Brian,we the USA do not have the Money to Support these Wars,more so Israel. IMHO,The USA Empire is Over. 2010 was the last acceptable year. We are in Serious Decline now. Deny,Deny,Deny,our Goverment say’s there is no problem. Both Dems and Reps. say we are in good shape as a Nation. They are a Duality In my opinion.

Why do we All feel the economy is not good? Cause it ain’t good.

Our Economy is 2.8 % this year. They say that is good. No It is Not!

Russia is Faster, IMF says China is 4.8,India 7.8 %,you see Brian,these are Facts. Ugly depressing Fact’s. We are Not even close to being strong. Yet we are told 2.8 is good so we should be happy. I could on,but my wife is yelling at me to come to bed. It takes Avy time to Post Facts. Which,I’m sorry to say,can not be said for you.

Who decides where a job will be? The Employer The employer choose the Chinese/India etc to pay less money for labor.

The Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour.

Every year that goes by,which is now 15. The prices of everything go up,sometimes 1 or 2 %,and as much as 7 to 9%. Every Fucking Year that goes by, $7.25 buy you less than the year before. Now we all know what are raise is % wise.

The 3%/Employer don’t want it to raise as they would have to pay more. The Goverment/Economists keep telling us raising it would cause/worsen Inflation. And they(corporations) got Both Parties to go implement it! Again,Duality.

Now your ass is here trying to tell Avy that Trump is the Answer. That his heel cup,girdle wearing, orange face is going to make America Great Again?


Avy
 

Brian HCM#1

MMMMMMMMM MAGA!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 7, 2001
32,224
381
Bay Area, California
Ah the hell with it, here's my research:
All the wars that happened under trump:
Events of the conflict in Ukraine, specifically the Donbas region between 2016-2020, caused by your russian friends;
WaPo article debunking your talking point:
Syrian missile strike in 2017, ordered by dongle:
Plenty of US soldiers died in syria, too, so don't speak to me about "no US involvement". Zero US soldiers died in Ukraine.
Ukraine/Donbas started in 2014 during Obama's presidency, Not started under Trump

So if Trump was Putin's puppet like you and some others here like to claim, why did Putin wait to invade Ukraine when Trump was no longer in office? If Putin had Trump by the balls, wouldn't he have done it during his administration? Seems like that would have been perfect timing. Agree?

Reason: Putin knew not to fuck around with Trump because he wouldn't put up with it. Putin attacked Ukraine under Biden because he saw how he handle the exit out of Afghanistan in which was a complete debacle and showed the incompetency of the Biden leadership.

Syrian missile strike was in retaliation for Syrian chemical strikes. No war was started, just the US getting their point made.
 

Brian HCM#1

MMMMMMMMM MAGA!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 7, 2001
32,224
381
Bay Area, California
Brian,we the USA do not have the Money to Support these Wars,more so Israel. IMHO,The USA Empire is Over. 2010 was the last acceptable year. We are in Serious Decline now. Deny,Deny,Deny,our Goverment say’s there is no problem. Both Dems and Reps. say we are in good shape as a Nation. They are a Duality In my opinion.

Why do we All feel the economy is not good? Cause it ain’t good.

Our Economy is 2.8 % this year. They say that is good. No It is Not!

Russia is Faster, IMF says China is 4.8,India 7.8 %,you see Brian,these are Facts. Ugly depressing Fact’s. We are Not even close to being strong. Yet we are told 2.8 is good so we should be happy. I could on,but my wife is yelling at me to come to bed. It takes Avy time to Post Facts. Which,I’m sorry to say,can not be said for you.

Who decides where a job will be? The Employer The employer choose the Chinese/India etc to pay less money for labor.

The Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour.

Every year that goes by,which is now 15. The prices of everything go up,sometimes 1 or 2 %,and as much as 7 to 9%. Every Fucking Year that goes by, $7.25 buy you less than the year before. Now we all know what are raise is % wise.

The 3%/Employer don’t want it to raise as they would have to pay more. The Goverment/Economists keep telling us raising it would cause/worsen Inflation. And they(corporations) got Both Parties to go implement it! Again,Duality.

Now your ass is here trying to tell Avy that Trump is the Answer. That his heel cup,girdle wearing, orange face is going to make America Great Again?


Avy
I get what your saying. They have inflation down to 2.5% but prices are still outrageous. Personally I don't see cost of living going down anytime soon. However if Trump gets us back to energy independent we will start to see prices starting to drop. With the current cost of fuel, shipping in the country has gone way up so manufactures charge more because it costs them more to produce and to ship to retailers. Insurance costs have skyrocketed too. Unfortunately it all trickles down to the consumers who pays the price. Remember Trump is a businessman, not a politician we were all better off under Trump than Biden financially. I think you can agree, like him personally or not.

It appears on this site, most don't know how businesses really work as they have never owned a business. They have no clue what it takes financially to keep a business afloat, like taxes (state & local in CA), rent/mortgage with property taxes if owned, insurance, utility's (electricity, water etc.) If there are company vehicles, fuel & maintenance costs, paying staff that does not contribute it income i.e. office workers, paid holidays, PTO, 401K matching, medical/dental insurance and I can go on & on.

So, lets see what this new administration can do. Things were more affordable under Trump and Covid did play a big part in fucking up the entire world. Its going to be interesting having 2 extremely successful businessmen going over the wasteful spending Musk & Ramaswamy. Musk vows to but everything online to see what our current/past spending is/was and they will start trimming all the unnecessary spending and hopefully start to pay down the deficit while not rising our taxes.
 

ALEXIS_DH

Tirelessly Awesome
Jan 30, 2003
6,201
829
Lima, Peru, Peru
Bingo.
Well, technically, there is deflation, but that is usually a result of some major economic atrophy or collapse, so maybe Trump is counting on this, lol
And I seriously think the US is deflation proof. Powell would just print more money, export inflation and further raise prices in case something apocalytic happened.
 

mandown

Poopdeck Repost
Jun 1, 2004
21,801
9,112
Transylvania 90210
Jon Stewart has been doing some interesting post mortem discussions on what the left did wrong. The latest Weekly Show podcast is worth a listen if you’re interested in his perspective. One point he has been hitting hard is how America is two economies, labor and investment. As investment economy has become more powerful for earning, labor hasn’t and laborers are feeling it. When people say the economy sucks and they get told to look at the stock market it doesn’t reconcile with the pain at the grocery store because most laborers aren’t investors. The guest on this week’s podcast pointed out that the right validated the pain felt by those laborers in a way the left didn’t and that had results in the voting booth. Regardless of the policies, the right had the better messaging and branding.
 

SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
Sep 21, 2003
67,823
14,161
In a van.... down by the river
Prices arent coming down, unless something apocalytic happens.
Inflation is non-reversible
This. And it's quite painful trying to explain to morans that this is how it works.

Bingo.
Well, technically, there is deflation, but that is usually a result of some major economic atrophy or collapse, so maybe Trump is counting on this, lol
It's also difficult explaining to morans that deflation is a MUCH worse scenario than inflation.
 

ALEXIS_DH

Tirelessly Awesome
Jan 30, 2003
6,201
829
Lima, Peru, Peru
Jon Stewart has been doing some interesting post mortem discussions on what the left did wrong. The latest Weekly Show podcast is worth a listen if you’re interested in his perspective. One point he has been hitting hard is how America is two economies, labor and investment. As investment economy has become more powerful for earning, labor hasn’t and laborers are feeling it. When people say the economy sucks and they get told to look at the stock market it doesn’t reconcile with the pain at the grocery store because most laborers aren’t investors. The guest on this week’s podcast pointed out that the right validated the pain felt by those laborers in a way the left didn’t and that had results in the voting booth. Regardless of the policies, the right had the better messaging and branding.
And the solution was to put 2 billionaires from the investor class in charge, who totally are going to do the right thing instead of personal gain
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
39,748
8,748
The guest on this week’s podcast pointed out that the right validated the pain felt by those laborers in a way the left didn’t and that had results in the voting booth. Regardless of the policies, the right had the better messaging and branding.
that's because "I will fix it and lower prices" however nonsensical is easier for smooth brains to absorb than anything even remotely more complex. Harris had no shortage of good (imo) policy proposals, and she even didn't use too many words.

hard to compete with simple but false claims from the opposition, though.
 

4xBoy

Turbo Monkey
Jun 20, 2006
7,245
3,266
Minneapolis
The guest on this week’s podcast pointed out that the right validated the pain felt by those laborers in a way the left didn’t and that had results in the voting booth.
Hard to like the left when you hear how much money Feinstein and Pelosi made while only being paid 200k
 

Avy

Turbo Monkey
Jan 24, 2006
1,411
466
I get what your saying. They have inflation down to 2.5% but prices are still outrageous. Personally I don't see cost of living going down anytime soon. However if Trump gets us back to energy independent we will start to see prices starting to drop. With the current cost of fuel, shipping in the country has gone way up so manufactures charge more because it costs them more to produce and to ship to retailers. Insurance costs have skyrocketed too. Unfortunately it all trickles down to the consumers who pays the price. Remember Trump is a businessman, not a politician we were all better off under Trump than Biden financially. I think you can agree, like him personally or not.

It appears on this site, most don't know how businesses really work as they have never owned a business. They have no clue what it takes financially to keep a business afloat, like taxes (state & local in CA), rent/mortgage with property taxes if owned, insurance, utility's (electricity, water etc.) If there are company vehicles, fuel & maintenance costs, paying staff that does not contribute it income i.e. office workers, paid holidays, PTO, 401K matching, medical/dental insurance and I can go on & on.

So, lets see what this new administration can do. Things were more affordable under Trump and Covid did play a big part in fucking up the entire world. Its going to be interesting having 2 extremely successful businessmen going over the wasteful spending Musk & Ramaswamy. Musk vows to but everything online to see what our current/past spending is/was and they will start trimming all the unnecessary spending and hopefully start to pay down the deficit while not rising our taxes.

Well Brother,the last sentence is wonderful. I am looking forward to it. He “Vow’s” Brother? That is like Church,Religion speak. A Serious Statement Indeed.

Avy Vow’s tobe a Loyal Monkey till the End. Now that Brian,you can Bet the House On!

I am not so sure with his Support of this Genocide,and Russia? Would Love to see those numbers.

Trump says,he will end the Russia War,no problem,is that Correct? 1st Day was it?

Yet we know how he feels of Israel.

We are Talking Mad Money,so Avy has just put his SeatBelt on. I am looking forward to Musk and his Vow’s.

Avy
 

Brian HCM#1

MMMMMMMMM MAGA!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 7, 2001
32,224
381
Bay Area, California
that's because "I will fix it and lower prices" however nonsensical is easier for smooth brains to absorb than anything even remotely more complex. Harris had no shortage of good (imo) policy proposals, and she even didn't use too many words.

hard to compete with simple but false claims from the opposition, though.
What proposals? She could not answer a question especially if there was a follow up one. She ran on fixing things her administration was primarily responsible for. She said on the View she wouldn't do anything different than the current Biden administration. The people have been screaming for several years about the huge inflation, cost of grocery's, fuel, insurance etc. However the Biden administration and left media kept saying everything is fine and its all in your heads. Harris said, she was always the last person in the room. So why didn't they fix them when they had the chance? Why did gas prices skyrocket? Over half of America thought if Harris was in office everything would stay the same, if not got worse.
 

Nick

My name is Nick
Sep 21, 2001
24,905
16,472
where the trails are
Brian, do you think the federal government sets prices for groceries, fuel, or insurance? :hmm:

The past 8 years have shown RECORD corporate profits and this inflation is predatory and opportunistic. Biden and Harris want to TAX those record profits to try and recoup monies to pay for NEEDED social services, Trump wants to cut taxes and eliminate many of those same service.

Why did gas prices "skyrocket"? They didn't, they recovered from the Covid period when there was a huge drop in demand. Today's gas prices adjusted for inflation are at the same basic level as they were under GW Bush.

You really don't understand.
 

Brian HCM#1

MMMMMMMMM MAGA!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 7, 2001
32,224
381
Bay Area, California
Well Brother,the last sentence is wonderful. I am looking forward to it. He “Vow’s” Brother? That is like Church,Religion speak. A Serious Statement Indeed.

Avy Vow’s tobe a Loyal Monkey till the End. Now that Brian,you can Bet the House On!

I am not so sure with his Support of this Genocide,and Russia? Would Love to see those numbers.

Trump says,he will end the Russia War,no problem,is that Correct? 1st Day was it?

Yet we know how he feels of Israel.

We are Talking Mad Money,so Avy has just put his SeatBelt on. I am looking forward to Musk and his Vow’s.

Avy
It should be very interesting with Musk. He said he's going to list all the government spending on X. We can now all see how much money our government is throwing away on stupid shit. Hopefully they can put term limits on congress which would limit big business getting too cozy with members in congress. He said he'll start cutting the fat too on unnecessary government employees. So yes, buckle up it should be a fun one.
 

Brian HCM#1

MMMMMMMMM MAGA!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 7, 2001
32,224
381
Bay Area, California
Brian, do you think the federal government sets prices for groceries, fuel, or insurance? :hmm:

The past 8 years have shown RECORD corporate profits and this inflation is predatory and opportunistic. Biden and Harris want to TAX those record profits to try and recoup monies to pay for NEEDED social services, Trump wants to cut taxes and eliminate many of those same service.

Why did gas prices "skyrocket"? They didn't, they recovered from the Covid period when there was a huge drop in demand. Today's gas prices adjusted for inflation are at the same basic level as they were under GW Bush.

You really don't understand.
No, absolutely not! The government should never set prices.

Corporations are designed to make a profit. Problem is, you start to over tax corporations, they will start cutting employees and will double the remaining staff's workload. Take Amazon of example. Amazon wanted to have an office in NYC. AOC threw a fit because the corporate tax breaks they would get. What she failed to see was the average employee would make appox. $125K a year times the 25K new hires. Those new hires would buy homes, now lets factor in the property taxes they will pay in addition to local business making more money and paying more in taxes on profits. That is quite a bit of money the state of NYC could of had. At the end of the day, the employee covers the bulk of the tax bill so they can have a job.

Biden stopped us stopped us from being energy independent and selling our oil to other countries & stopping construction of the Keystone pipeline. We became reliant on OPEC and other countries for oil. Biden used our own oil reserves to help drop gas prices on several occasions (we really feel it here in CA with all the additional taxes & fees as we were paying $5-$7 a gallon at one point). Unfortunately oil prices are too high to replenish what Biden used. Prices were down pre-Covid, but yes supply and demand went down substantially during the beginning of Covid.

I don't know what state you're in, but here in CA the cost of living is outrageous and my wife and I make pretty good money combined and are hurting.
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
39,748
8,748
I viewed teh Brain's post out of some stupidity of my own. a few responses:

1) Amazon was to receive $1.4 billion in tax breaks. NYC doesn't seem to have been harmed by this "loss" of not granting said breaks.

2) "Biden stopped us stopped us from being energy independent and selling our oil to other countries & stopping construction of the Keystone pipeline. We became reliant on OPEC and other countries for oil."

this is entirely false. note who was president from 2021 through now.

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opec.PNG
 

chuffer

Turbo Monkey
Sep 2, 2004
1,792
1,140
McMinnville, OR
Sigh. You fucking guys.

People do not want to hear about problems and the sacrifices that need to be made to fix them. People want to hear that everything will be ok once daddy gets home.

More specifically, u.s. americans (and other 1st world nations to varying extents) want validation that their self-centered consumerist existence is moral, fair, deserved, etc.

The outcome of the election is a direct result of the above. Get yours and keep it.