Power Analasys of a 29er vs 26"
- Thread starter Westy
- Start date
I saw that last week on mtbr. Check the 29er board, surly or one of the smaller 29 frame makers got on there and requested (and recieved) the raw data from the guy who ran the test.Westy said:
No.
It's for the 29 nazi brigade.
the anal asses
It's for the 29 nazi brigade.
the anal asses
he may have meant:
anal lysis.
anal lysis.
kidwoo said:
Wut he sed.
I split my anal daily.narlus said:
Wow comparing one's passion for larger wheels to the Mindless Slaughter of Millions of Jews, thats compassion.kidwoo said:
Based on that data, Harris concluded that his Salsa required more average power to achieve the same lap times over the same terrain in the same conditions as his Trek (175 watts for the Fuel, 188 for the Dos Niner). He says that by his measure, if he rode both bikes at the same power output (presumably a limitation of his physique and fitness), Harris calculates that his two-niner lap times would be about two minutes slower. "I think I can attribute some of the difference to the power required to accelerate each bike," he says. But adds, "I can only base this on impressions. And my impression, my sensation, is that Dos Niner does not accelerate as fast as the Fuel."
Conclusion: N8 sucks
Conclusion: N8 sucks
Wow you 29er fans are anal.MunkeeHucker said:
That "brigade" only has one monkey that I know of. There are more 29ers here than i think you realize, it's just that a lot of us feel that riding is what's important, not what your riding on.kidwoo said:
If those number were due to the differences in power required for acceleration I would hate to see the numbers for a course that requires you to use your brakes more than twice.stinkyboy said:
whats anal about not wanting to compared to "A Nazi"
Is that you Mr. Clean?MunkeeHucker said:
stinkyboy said:
The Debuncher Brigade no doubt.
I think the jury is still out on this one - check out Mike Ferrentino's (Bike Mag) response:
However, there was this guy racing solo there [Old Pueblo], and leading the class for a while until he went blind during the night (seriously. But he got better), doing his own experiment on whether 29 wheels really do roll faster than 26 wheels. Dave Harris, who rides and coaches for Team healthFX, concluded a three stage experiment using PowerTap strain meters to measure whether he was faster riding and racing his Trek Fuel or his Salsa Dos Niner. The final results are here:http://teamhealthfx.com/blogs/dave_harris/archive/2006/02/21/571.aspx#comments
29er VS. 26 Blog Dig around on the site, and his blogs in particular, and see the rest of the results. Interesting stuff. Apparently, bigger wheels dont really roll faster. Hes getting a whipping over on MTBR.coms boards for not being scientific enough, but as far as I know, is the first person to do some actual testing based on power output as opposed to the usual uninformed seat-of-the-pants zealotry that the 29 converts apply. Swear to God, they are making single speeders seem almost rational and even-tempered.
At the other end of the spectrum, Travis Brown was relating to me how he and JHK would go out on training rides last year, on identically spec-ed 26 and 29 Fishers, and being about the same size and shape, would swap bikes during the ride. According to Mister Brown, whoever was on the 29 bike, regardless of terrain, would pull away from the 26 rider.
Why am I paying attention at all? Well, aside from a test of four different 29 bikes coming in our July issue, there will be also a Gearhead feature going into the pro and con of the wheel size. Hopefully without judgement. My own findings are that they work real well in some places, and not so well in some others. After playing around on the things for six years now, Im still not convinced that they will make me more of a man, or cure cancer...
However, there was this guy racing solo there [Old Pueblo], and leading the class for a while until he went blind during the night (seriously. But he got better), doing his own experiment on whether 29 wheels really do roll faster than 26 wheels. Dave Harris, who rides and coaches for Team healthFX, concluded a three stage experiment using PowerTap strain meters to measure whether he was faster riding and racing his Trek Fuel or his Salsa Dos Niner. The final results are here:http://teamhealthfx.com/blogs/dave_harris/archive/2006/02/21/571.aspx#comments
29er VS. 26 Blog Dig around on the site, and his blogs in particular, and see the rest of the results. Interesting stuff. Apparently, bigger wheels dont really roll faster. Hes getting a whipping over on MTBR.coms boards for not being scientific enough, but as far as I know, is the first person to do some actual testing based on power output as opposed to the usual uninformed seat-of-the-pants zealotry that the 29 converts apply. Swear to God, they are making single speeders seem almost rational and even-tempered.
At the other end of the spectrum, Travis Brown was relating to me how he and JHK would go out on training rides last year, on identically spec-ed 26 and 29 Fishers, and being about the same size and shape, would swap bikes during the ride. According to Mister Brown, whoever was on the 29 bike, regardless of terrain, would pull away from the 26 rider.
Why am I paying attention at all? Well, aside from a test of four different 29 bikes coming in our July issue, there will be also a Gearhead feature going into the pro and con of the wheel size. Hopefully without judgement. My own findings are that they work real well in some places, and not so well in some others. After playing around on the things for six years now, Im still not convinced that they will make me more of a man, or cure cancer...
Twice is an exageration but at least compared to the trails I'm used to there was very little braking required. Lot's of fast wide open stuff. The flowy singletrack was faster if you were lighter on the "gas" and only accelerated to a speed that was acceptable for the next corner.Zark said:
Conclusion: 29er vs. 26er debate amounts to nothing more than mental masturbation. 
Bet the magazine gets bombarded with emails over that line.
Wow you 29er riders are not only responsible for the genocide of millions, you're also really insightful.
I fear you. Please don't exterminate my people. I know you guys are into that sort of thing.
claimer:
I've also ridden a few 29er gary fischers, hardtail and suspension. They roll faster and definitely get better traction. I just switched my dirtjump bike from 24s back to 26s for the same reason. But I don't ride one because of the necessary lengthening wheelbase/chainstay and think they handle like crap.
But if you've never noticed an elitism among a notable percentage of the population (as well as ss, turner
, rigid etc riders) constantly trying , you're not paying attention.
I fear you. Please don't exterminate my people. I know you guys are into that sort of thing.
claimer:
I've also ridden a few 29er gary fischers, hardtail and suspension. They roll faster and definitely get better traction. I just switched my dirtjump bike from 24s back to 26s for the same reason. But I don't ride one because of the necessary lengthening wheelbase/chainstay and think they handle like crap.
But if you've never noticed an elitism among a notable percentage of the population (as well as ss, turner
, rigid etc riders) constantly trying , you're not paying attention.
Who cares?
29ers are just fad anyways.
29ers are just fad anyways.
kidwoo said:
Teddy Kennedy's car has killed more people than my 29er has...
Prove it you nazi sonofabitch.N8 said:
DRB said:
Jst ask yourself this:
W.W.M.C.R.*
*What Would Mr. Clean Ride?
a 15 year old boy?N8 said:
DRB said:
Well d'uh!!!
Besides that...
Well put BG!!BikeGeek said:
Why do you hate jews?MMcG said:Well put BG!!
I was commenting on BikeGeek's comment that N8 is the only 29er zealot on the Monkey.kidwoo said:
There are a bunch of us who ride 29ers including myself, BikeGeek, The Ito, Munkeehucker etc.
But I think I speak for them it is more about being out riding our bikes vs. the size of the wheels those bikes happen to have.
BikeGeek said:
What are you ridin', old man?PonySoldier said:
J
JRB
Guest
The wheels on my cross bike are about 29" I suppose, but it was harder to ride up a dirt hill than my Reign. I think 26" wheels are better.
loco said:
There is no absolute "better", niners work great for some people not so much for others. I just figure I'd stir up some crap. For mountainbiking , even racing, I could care less about what is more efficient. I want a bike that has the perfect feel, that perfect feel is going to mean a different bike for different people.
I find it fascinating that it brings out the fact that mountainbikers feel they need to say they like mountainbiking.Westy said:
SkaredShtles said:What are you ridin', old man?
2003 Yeti Kokopelli with 26" wheels....young'in...:eviltongu
I hear if you say "alright, all the assholes in the room stand up", you'll get a lot of people standing up to prove they're not assholes................. when they never needed to stand up in the first place because you weren't referencing them.Changleen said:
33 or 45
Stirring up poo or not, i just think the whole idea is just a fad. But then again i thought rap was a fad too....
Stirring up poo or not, i just think the whole idea is just a fad. But then again i thought rap was a fad too....