Pray the gay away!
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a very foolish man, putting forth a foolish thesis.
do you intent to associate yourself w/ the necessary mental gymnastics & cognitive dissonance required to simultaneously affirm & refute essential tenets like "survival of the fittest", etc.?
if nothing else, Bonobos are a mutation, due any generation now for extinction
and you thought *reagan* was dumb
Genetic fitness is not about physical strength otherwise neanderthals or other stronger or faster animals would have wiped us out. The genes that reinforce survival are the "fittest". And some random features are paired with certain other features as shown in the classical Russian genetic experiment:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/03/taming-wild-animals/ratliff-text
I can say with certainty that respected scientist knows more about his field than some washed up government programmer.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/03/taming-wild-animals/ratliff-text
I can say with certainty that respected scientist knows more about his field than some washed up government programmer.
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i think we can agree on a long enough timeline, survivability of any species falls to 0, which is relevant to your post insomuch that "morality" isn't enough for survival; in fact, it may stymie it (examples are legion)
i believe our strongest bone of contention lies in the definition - and subsequent application - of "morality"
to those who require (but not necessarily ask for) attention, do we treat, or punish, or both? why be so hell-bent on altering behavior?
public health & safety seem to be the only widely agreed upon incentives
i believe our strongest bone of contention lies in the definition - and subsequent application - of "morality"
to those who require (but not necessarily ask for) attention, do we treat, or punish, or both? why be so hell-bent on altering behavior?
public health & safety seem to be the only widely agreed upon incentives
I don't think they are out of seattle...Sure they do, in Seattle.
How about something more positive on this from a Christian leader...........
Former pastor and Christian author Rob Bell comes out in favor of gay marriage
Former pastor and Christian author Rob Bell comes out in favor of gay marriage
tl;dr "not only do i tolerate sodomy, i am a proponent for sodomy, b/c God is now for sodomy after being against it or silent on it for millenia"
josh may be onto something w/ the delusional/psychosis thread
A fictional being isn't for or against anything, its a fairy tale.
So after the old testament was accepted for so long the new and improved version has the official, official word of the sky wizard? What a convenient delusional mindset. So those changes are fine, but this new change isn't?
Why aren't you killing your neighbors who work on Sunday? How about non-virgins or non-believers?
What about the rest of the bullsh*t in Deuteronomy?
True believers are delusional, plain and simple.
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Quite you! You're gonna get me killed next time I ride with him.
You can have one of these put in at your front door and maybe a pope-mobile like fairing to go over your bike
i believe in very little that you claim i believe in.
furthermore, i believe our parents loved us, but i'll be damned if i can [dis]prove it. do we share in another grand delusion? i welcome it, if so.
and don't get me started about how you continue to enable "insanity" when you choose to elect an open, devout, and proud believer. in fact, you should seek treatment
So what's the more important command (mitzvot)? Love your neighbor as yourself, to which Jesus says the whole Torah hangs on that? My Rabbi also taught something about the speck in your neighbors eye and the plank in yours.
In the Apostlic Text, sin is sin according to Jesus, to the point that even if you hate someone you're guilty of murder. So how is a monogmous gay couple any different than say the gossiping bitty on the front row of XYZ Baptist?
The only difference, is the "weight" our culture, or the Christian culture, has placed on their behavior. Jesus only taught about one person being in a literal eternal hell, and that was for refusing to care for the poor around him (Luke 16). There are ALOT of churches that are guilty of that to one extent or another, I'd argue any church that has spent millions on a building and there is anyone in a 5 mile radius that goes to bed hungry is guilty of that, but that's just me..........Jesus made no mention of the gay couple being in a literal eternal hell.
Notice Rob said fidelity.................
There is a passage where Paul commands believers to greet each other with a holy kiss……….when was the last time that happened at church? Heck Jesus did the same thing in Matthew 5, it’s called “binding and loosing”, He “bound” some Torah commands and “loosed” others, any time you see Jesus say “You have heard it said, but I tell you………” He’s doing just that. Jesus even gives His followers authority to do that “all authority on heaven and earth has been given unto you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven”.
Think about denominations, it’s a group of people who have bound certain concepts from the Bible and loosed others. This isn’t ground breaking territory. Heck at one point American Christians were using Bible verses to make a case FOR slavery.
So this concept that somehow the Scriptures are “static” and our understanding of them is to remain “static” does not jive with the culture and context that wrote said Text. That was their “reality TV” of the day, debating and interpreting the Scriptures, and it was constantly changing………..hence modern Jews don’t stone people for getting their donkey out of a well on the Sabbath. It’s ridiculous to think that we Christians, being of that same tradition are somehow exempt from that exercise.
speck/plank: my understanding is before you judge someone of their sin, insure first you are not struggling/embroiled w/ that sin. that is to say, the believing & monogamous gay couple are well within biblical standards to call that old bitch out (the 3step program: private/sm group/body) so long as they're not struggling w/ gossip themselves.
so we're clear, i have not received any teaching that correlates sexual behavior to salvation.
also, how would he respond to couples (straight/gay) who marry/divorce/re-marry? what a tangled web he weaves
so we're clear, i have not received any teaching that correlates sexual behavior to salvation.
yet RB is being dishonest if he claims to be for 'marriage equality' if he doesn't equally advocate for sodomy [among monogamous couples]. seems to me if jesus wanted us so badly to understand the issue of marriage he would have sprinkled in a few fellas on the DL. but, since he didn't, maybe it's not that important.rob bell said:
also, how would he respond to couples (straight/gay) who marry/divorce/re-marry? what a tangled web he weaves
Where does Jesus teach it’s our place to judge anothers sin? Since “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God” we all have a plank. The point was to deal with your junk and not worry about the relatively insignificant (to you) junk of your neighbor. If you’ve lingered a little too long at the newsstand admiring Kate Upton on the cover of SI, you’re just as guilty of sexual immorality as “Adam and Steve” (Matthew 5).
No but many have, and many Christians, mostly evangelicals I run into, believe that homosexuality is an express ticket to hell. Not according to the Gospels……
Interesting your use of “sodomy” to describe the gay sex acts. Where is that in the Bible? The word “sodomy” not the town from which it’s named? You realize that sodomy is any sex act that’s not for “reproduction” and that there’s a whole book of the Bible that describes husband/wife “sodomy”?
But I digress……….
Jesus doesn’t say much about marriage. He does do things and teach about those who are outcasts from the religious system of the day, lepers, tax collectors, prostitutes, etc. I don’t think it’s any stretch that if Jesus were to be here today, there would be gay couples in the crowds following Him, and not a stretch to believe He wouldn’t tell them to get lost. His entire ministry centered around those who had been marginalized by the religious system of His day.
Think about how evangelical Christians are perceived by those who are outside the faith. Hands down they’d be known for what they are against, anti-gay, anti-abortion. Pretty much two niche issues. How does Jesus say His followers are to be known by others? For their love for one another (John 17), for being generous to those in need.
That’s my whole point with this. The church has lost the plot. Instead of being a force for good in this world, and using it’s resources to bring heaven to earth every day (“Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven”
, they’ve become known for the morality police, and what they are against. The similarities between the evangelical religious systems and how they operate are disturbingly similar to the same religious system (Saduceean, those who ran the Temple) Jesus got p!ssed off at. With grace and love……..how about that for a start?
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^^^^^^^^^
You should write a book. Seriously.
You should write a book. Seriously.
Guess you can pray away the truth if you are truly delusional:
http://www.apr.org/post/forget-fish-fridays-louisiana-gator-lenten-menu
http://www.apr.org/post/forget-fish-fridays-louisiana-gator-lenten-menu
If they can't get that right, they certainly have zero authority on evolution or cosmology.
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I'm trying to determine what is more unlikely - that someone doesn't know that reptiles and fish are not the same thing (even a proclaimed servant of the cloud hippy) or that "Alabama Public Radio" actually exists and is not called the "Nick Saban Show".
Anyone think if Scalia will pray teh gay away today? Or will he hit it 'Exorcist Style': THE POWER OF MORALITY COMPELS YOU!
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/25/scalias-gay-marriage-problem/?ref=politics
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/25/scalias-gay-marriage-problem/?ref=politics
mt 7:5 (inside the faith). and if you mean those "of the world", didn't you just judge them by the mere categorization?
i see.
so, b/c there's no glossary citing lawrence -vs- texas, it's n/a? look, 2 dudes wanna pop a dick or 2 in their mouth, i have no truck with that. they do it in a park, am i now 'judging' them, and therefore out of my element (if i'm reading you correctly)? same goes for any consensual, yet public, sex act (i write that intentionally without respect to the qualification of whether or not it's sexually immoral, obviously something the 2 of us aren't 100% in lock step on). am i the weirdo b/c i just need to 'get over it & respond instead in grace'? just having a difficult time figuring out what your position is on general behavior of others. apply this also to some dude roughing up his lady. i would hope you'd judge him enough to feel compelled to intervene. again, let me know if i'm not pickin up what you're puttin down.
yes! and not to be accepted as they are full stop, but to be accepted and change! 'do not be conformed to this world' and all that.
so being a voice for the voiceless is not loving? or promoting housing & adoption alternatives for would-be mothers is not generous? i'd like to know how you got there.
if the church isn't "being a force for good in this world", why aren't you leading the charge to burn each & every one of these to the ground? or lobbying on the Hill to have their 501(c)3 status revoked? is it possible you were a bit clumsy in this paragraph, and perhaps meant the ratio of judgment:works is lopsided? if so, we're on the same page. a $35M megachurch might not be the best way to minister to those in need in the local community
to level set our back-and-forth: i fully recognize rob bell & others within the faith are well within their rights to advocate for other than man-woman marriage (gently couched as "marriage equality"), but i don't see the biblical mandate, nor do i see the intellectual honesty in it when considering the never-to-be-agreed-upon term 'equality'. why is 18 so special? and 15 w/ parents nod elsewhere? make it a states rights issue.
been busy the past 72hrs, so not sure if this has been posted elsewhere: http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/24/opinion/stern-gay-marriage/index.html
My perception of your use of the word Sodomy was to illicit some sort of emotional response vs. using a term that more accurately described the issue at hand.
Also, conforming to the world. All Christians are guilty of that, you cant get around it, unless you go live like J the B off the grid, or the Amish get around it. The vast majority of US evangelicals in some way or another are influenced by the materialism, and consumerism of our culture, and thats just two examples of how theyve conformed .thats leaving out not being a good steward of our natural resources. Why focus on that one way that some Christians have conformed and not all of them?
With regard to sexual immorality, according to Jesus all you have to do is linger over the cover of SI swimsuit issue longingly and there you go. No difference between that and Adam and Steve. Thats my point, the evangelical Christian culture doesnt get that there is no difference according to the Bible. For whatever reason, maybe because its public and they dont struggle with it, its made an issue and some how more of a sin than say the hetero dude rubbing one out before the wifey gets home to some porn. Wheres the demand to ban porn on the internet, or the demand for legislation to seize all the porn companies assets? Thats just as much sexual immorality as homosexuality, yet theres not nearly the push behind it to deal with that problem.
With regards to others behavior, a loving monogamous homosexual relationship does not warrant my intervention, an abusive heterosexual one (assuming their my neighbors for instance) would. Ive got an example regarding that Ill share later .
That leads me to my general point about evangelical churches/theologies in general, the buffet nature of their belief systems. There is very little contextual wholeism, its pick and choose to suit a predetermined idea, be that salvation, giving/tithing, end times, etc.
But again I digress .
**Ive got more on this later, but time prevents me from teasing that idea out fully
And who did the changing? Did the church having a meeting to change that person, or what it the work of Someone else? Its not my job to convict people of a sin, or get them to change, thats all Jesus. My job as a follower of Jesus as what I read in the Gospels, is to love others unconditionally, especially the marginalized and poor, and to live in a way that brings heaven to earth daily (See Wesleys quote).
http://www.ncfpc.org/stories/080910s1.html
First, being a voice for the marginalized (immigrants, orphans, widows, you know Old Testament stuff) in addition to unborn babies? Thats awesome if it includes all the groups God cares about, kind of buffet if its only for babies.
Second, having multiple first hand experiences with abortion, alternatives would be awesome, they are FEW and far between in these parts.
Third, 85% said the focus would be on two niche issues. Evangelical Christians are among the richest Christians in ALL of human history, and they choose to put the majority of the efforts behind two small niche issues. The mention of sexual immorality in the Scriptures is insignificant to the times that God/Jesus mention how important it is to take care of the hungry/poor. Why arent these Christians who would say they take Gods Word seriously seemingly not take seriously (or at least perceived to take seriously, perception is reality these days) what God takes seriously? If God repeats it, then its something to pay attention to, at least the rabbis thought so. The highest form of righteousness in the Jewish tradition is charity, and yet the perceived highest form of righteousness with US evangelicals is how anti-gay you are or how anti-abortion you are.
But whats the perception among those outside the US evangelical faith? Is that what Jesus intended His people be known by?
Fantastic discussion though, its really been an opportunity to get down stuff thats been bouncing around my head for a while.
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Truthfully the Vatican has endorsed evolution for quite some time now though obviously their grasp of basic science isn't strong:
http://biblelight.net/darwin.htm
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19956961/#.UVHbKxzry14
Only the most delusional still cling to past ignorance.
well PTL i moved away from all those GCBs.Colorado Springs says
actually, it's more like out-of-the-frying-pan-and-into-the-fire...but i have greater access to trails
too busy getting planks removed? or summed up in john 8:9 - And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
shame is a helluva drug
Nope, too busy shooting my 15 year olds trackmeet.
You going to cast the first stone?
I’ve got an example for you that, at least for me typifies the problem. I know two people, and once you read about them tell me which one God/Jesus is more pleased with how they are living and the condition of their heart.
Person 1 : I know this guy personally, 40 years old, married for almost 20 years, one child. I taught Sunday School with this guy and went to church with him for around 7 years. He runs a construction related business, that several of my friends work for. He and his very tan, very white teeth, very in shape wife both drive brand new cars. He goes to church (Southern Baptist) 3 times a week, was recently made a deacon in that church. On the surface he seems to be a decent Christian guy. He tithes to the exact cent, makes every use to work every charitable deduction he can in that respect. Routinely refuses to pay his employees a competitive wage, enforces strict work hours yet takes 3 hour lunches to go to the shooting range and burn through a few boxes of 5.56. Skirts any OSHA regs that would protect his employees when possible on a regular basis, is very open and brags that he gets away with it. Doesn’t hesitate to tell you to your face you’re going to hell for any number of reasons. Has gone on mission trips with his church out of shame and a sense of obligation. Is very vocal about several people in his life he hates, including his step father (no abuse there, he just doesn’t like the man).
Person 2: I know this guy as well, although not to the extent as person 1. Late 50’s, gay pastor of a small (less than 50 congregants) church in our neighborhood. Been with his partner in a monogamous relationship for 20+ years. Cannot by Arkansas law adopt children, but has paid for several hetero married couples in his church to adopt at risk children. Spends Monday through Friday at two homeless shelters volunteering. He and his partner live below the poverty line (they are very open about their finances), donating as much money as they can to the local food pantry, and local Christian adoption program. Their church has been vandalized multiple times, as it’s know as the “gay church” in town. The pastor when interviewed has said publicly he forgives the parties that defaced the church building.
So of these two people, who do you think Jesus thinks has his heart in the right place? Who wouldn’t get his a$$ chewed Matthew 23 style by Jesus? Which one of these people is bringing heaven to earth through their life?
Heres chapter and verse on a more-or-less comprehensive list of things banned in the Leviticus book of the bible. A decent number of them are punishable by death.
Unless youve never done any of them (and 54 to 56 are particularly tricky), perhaps its time to lay off quoting 18:22 for a while?
1. Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11)
2. Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13)
3. Eating fat (3:17)
4. Eating blood (3:17)
5. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing youve witnessed (5:1)
6. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing youve been told about (5:1)
7. Touching an unclean animal (5:2)
8. Carelessly making an oath (5:4)
9. Deceiving a neighbour about something trusted to them (6:2)
10. Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3)
11. Bringing unauthorised fire before God (10:1)
12. Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)
13. Tearing your clothes (10:6)
14. Drinking alcohol in holy places (bit of a problem for Catholics, this un) (10:9)
15. Eating an animal which doesnt both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7)
16. Touching the carcass of any of the above (problems here for rugby) (11:8)
17. Eating or touching the carcass of any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)
18. Eating or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)
19. Eating or touching the carcass of flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)
20. Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (good news for cats) (11:27)
21. Eating or touching the carcass of the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)
22. Eating or touching the carcass of any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)
23. Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)
24. Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)
25. Having sex with your mother (18:7)
26. Having sex with your fathers wife (18:8)
27. Having sex with your sister (18:9)
28. Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)
29. Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)
30. Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13)
31. Having sex with your uncles wife (18:14)
32. Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15)
33. Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16)
34. Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (bad news for Alan Clark) (18:17)
35. Marrying your wifes sister while your wife still lives (18:18)
36. Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19)
37. Having sex with your neighbours wife (18:20)
38. Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)
39. Having sex with a man as one does with a woman (18:22)
40. Having sex with an animal (18:23)
41. Making idols or metal gods (19:4)
42. Reaping to the very edges of a field (19:9)
43. Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10)
44. Stealing (19:11)
45. Lying (19:11)
46. Swearing falsely on Gods name (19:12)
47. Defrauding your neighbour (19:13)
48. Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (not well observed these days) (19:13)
49. Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14)
50. Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15)
51. Spreading slander (19:16)
52. Doing anything to endanger a neighbours life (19:16)
53. Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18)
54. Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)
55. Cross-breeding animals (19:19)
56. Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19)
57. Sleeping with another mans slave (19:20)
58. Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)
59. Practising divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26)
60. Trimming your beard (19:27)
61. Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)
62. Getting tattoos (19:28)
63. Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29)
64. Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31)
65. Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)
66. Mistreating foreigners the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born (19:33-34)
67. Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)
68. Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20:9)
69. Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21:7,13)
70. Entering a place where theres a dead body as a priest (21:11)
71. Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28)
72. Working on the Sabbath (23:3)
73. Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14)
74. Inflicting an injury; killing someone elses animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22)
75. Selling land permanently (25:23)
76. Selling an Israelite as a slave (foreigners are fine) (25:42)
Unless youve never done any of them (and 54 to 56 are particularly tricky), perhaps its time to lay off quoting 18:22 for a while?
1. Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11)
2. Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13)
3. Eating fat (3:17)
4. Eating blood (3:17)
5. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing youve witnessed (5:1)
6. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing youve been told about (5:1)
7. Touching an unclean animal (5:2)
8. Carelessly making an oath (5:4)
9. Deceiving a neighbour about something trusted to them (6:2)
10. Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3)
11. Bringing unauthorised fire before God (10:1)
12. Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)
13. Tearing your clothes (10:6)
14. Drinking alcohol in holy places (bit of a problem for Catholics, this un) (10:9)
15. Eating an animal which doesnt both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7)
16. Touching the carcass of any of the above (problems here for rugby) (11:8)
17. Eating or touching the carcass of any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)
18. Eating or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)
19. Eating or touching the carcass of flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)
20. Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (good news for cats) (11:27)
21. Eating or touching the carcass of the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)
22. Eating or touching the carcass of any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)
23. Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)
24. Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)
25. Having sex with your mother (18:7)
26. Having sex with your fathers wife (18:8)
27. Having sex with your sister (18:9)
28. Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)
29. Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)
30. Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13)
31. Having sex with your uncles wife (18:14)
32. Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15)
33. Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16)
34. Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (bad news for Alan Clark) (18:17)
35. Marrying your wifes sister while your wife still lives (18:18)
36. Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19)
37. Having sex with your neighbours wife (18:20)
38. Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)
39. Having sex with a man as one does with a woman (18:22)
40. Having sex with an animal (18:23)
41. Making idols or metal gods (19:4)
42. Reaping to the very edges of a field (19:9)
43. Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10)
44. Stealing (19:11)
45. Lying (19:11)
46. Swearing falsely on Gods name (19:12)
47. Defrauding your neighbour (19:13)
48. Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (not well observed these days) (19:13)
49. Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14)
50. Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15)
51. Spreading slander (19:16)
52. Doing anything to endanger a neighbours life (19:16)
53. Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18)
54. Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)
55. Cross-breeding animals (19:19)
56. Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19)
57. Sleeping with another mans slave (19:20)
58. Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)
59. Practising divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26)
60. Trimming your beard (19:27)
61. Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)
62. Getting tattoos (19:28)
63. Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29)
64. Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31)
65. Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)
66. Mistreating foreigners the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born (19:33-34)
67. Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)
68. Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20:9)
69. Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21:7,13)
70. Entering a place where theres a dead body as a priest (21:11)
71. Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28)
72. Working on the Sabbath (23:3)
73. Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14)
74. Inflicting an injury; killing someone elses animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22)
75. Selling land permanently (25:23)
76. Selling an Israelite as a slave (foreigners are fine) (25:42)
no, no, no. my comment was following the quote of the pic, meaning "they're not there to protest divorce b/c they too are divorced." i was done trolling you 2 posts prior
oh, and you didn't have to go on & on about person 1 & 2; you could have saved some ink and said "asshole & brother". that's the way i see it, anyway.
i see your google machine is in fine working order this morning.syadasti said:
What perplexes me most about a lot of christians (certainly not all) is their utter inability to mind their own business. For a religion based on love and acceptance they tend to be the most judgmental and intolerant assholes I've encountered.
How much energy is wasted by focusing on an issue that is completely irrelevant to one's life ? Are Christians so unhappy because they're consumed with overwhelming guilt and shame that they feel justified in casting judgement against those they disapprove of ?
It's real simple folks, if you don't like gay marriage then don't marry the same sex. Are you afraid of "sodomy", then don't take one for the team.
And why is Gay Marriage still a fvcking issue ? There are so many other more pressing things to deal with on our little blue marble that need fixing. Just mind blowing lack of progress as species and a culture.
How much energy is wasted by focusing on an issue that is completely irrelevant to one's life ? Are Christians so unhappy because they're consumed with overwhelming guilt and shame that they feel justified in casting judgement against those they disapprove of ?
It's real simple folks, if you don't like gay marriage then don't marry the same sex. Are you afraid of "sodomy", then don't take one for the team.
And why is Gay Marriage still a fvcking issue ? There are so many other more pressing things to deal with on our little blue marble that need fixing. Just mind blowing lack of progress as species and a culture.
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Persecution complex.
They have to constantly reinforce their own beliefs by trying to impose them on others. It's basic human insecurity. You can't "believe" unless you believe your way of thinking and ideals are "better" than everyone else who doesn't think the same. That takes constant reinforcing though by attempting to convert others, legislate your beliefs, etc. A basic tenant in most religions is to "spread", like a virus.
The bottom line is that these people have cherry-picked the parts of the bible they like and agree with, and ignored huge sections and parts that are horrible, disgusting, or contradictory, because they don't agree with that person's personal morals. The issue is that it's people that decide what is right or wrong, not a book, especially given how much murder of innocent people is in the bible. They basically have no credibility for cherry-picking something about sodomy that may or may not have been interpreted correctly and using it to defend their own fears and prejudices.
Yes...but it's worse than that. It's the worshiping of an insecure god. It goes from the top down. There are few deities more angry, insecure, vengeful and murderous than the god of Abrahamic religions.
"If I can convert others, and make them see things my way, then my god must be real, because they believe it too...see, I'm NOT crazy!"
Add to this the American cultural backwardness of thinking you're better than everyone else and you have a nice recipe for full retard.
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. -Richard Dawkins
http://www.wired.com/table_of_malcontents/2007/04/old_testament_m/
Let us not forget that nobody aborts more babies than God!
largely, yes, with a sprinkling of co-opted & distorted righteous indignation. hey, nobody's perfect, especially the "chosen". recall who jesus chose for his disciples weren't exactly paragons of virtue. trying to be wicked and unchrist-like is a subtle attempt to be more 'usable' for the end game -- it's a jedi mind trick of sorts. and here you thought phelps & co are without any redeeming value
IOW, p&wn
ok now he's just making up words