[fluff]

I have seen these mentioned in another thread.

How many suicide bombers have actually been pregnant women? A cursory websearch brought no confirmed instances.

 

[LordOpie]

if you're talking about muslims, I should think none... firstable, I doubt a pregnant woman would be interested in 72 female virgins.

Perhaps there's some confusion and what people are trying to say is suicide bombers are targeting pregnant women?

 

[fluff]

There have been reports of female suicide bombers.

I am not convinced that the 72 virgins thing is the primary motivation for any of the suicide bombers. It's convenient PR for those who wish to divert attention from other motives though.


Edit - and where the hell did 'firstable' come from?

 

[genpowell71]

Reason you see no pregnant suicide bombers is because the arab culture considers it a sin to kill a pregnant woman for anything but the most serious of crimes, i.e infidelity, disrespect to her husband...

 

[TheMontashu]

HMM?? acording to the coran the terrorists whoblow themselfs up go to hell so im confused

 

[jdcamb]

HMM?? acording to the coran the terrorists whoblow themselfs up go to hell so im confused

How long did it take for you to read the "coran"?

 

[Tenchiro]

Of course casting the blame for these psychos on Islam is like blaming christianity for what Timothy Mcveigh did...

 

[Slugman]

Of course casting the blame for these psychos on Islam is like blaming christianity for what Timothy Mcveigh did...

Well I don't remember seeing a lot of Christians chanting in the streets in praise of Mcveigh's actions. No Christian leader of a country has given money to McVeighs family. And I do think a lot of Christians denounced his actions as immoral and illegal (which none of the 'islamic' states seem to ever do).

One of the biggest things I have noticed about the religous leaders in the islamic community is that they wouldn't come out and condemn these actions, or the people who do them, that are done in the name of Islam. When asked abot it they say it is against Islam... but you have to ask. Recently that has changed to a very small degree, but that is mainly becasue so many Iraqi's are getting killed by insurgents.

 

[Tenchiro]

Well I don't remember seeing a lot of Christians chanting in the streets in praise of Mcveigh's actions. No Christian leader of a country has given money to McVeighs family. And I do think a lot of Christians denounced his actions as immoral and illegal (which none of the 'islamic' states seem to ever do).

One of the biggest things I have noticed about the religous leaders in the islamic community is that they wouldn't come out and condemn these actions, or the people who do them, that are done in the name of Islam. When asked abot it they say it is against Islam... but you have to ask. Recently that has changed to a very small degree, but that is mainly becasue so many Iraqi's are getting killed by insurgents.

Much of what these people do in the name of Islam, has nothing to do with religion. Just because a Palestinian blows himself up and some group provides for his family, sure they may both be Muslim but other than that it had nothing to do with it.

 

[TheMontashu]

How long did it take for you to read the "coran"?

I didn’t read it my Muslim friend told me. I’m not going to read a holy book that has doesn’t let a religion evolve into modern times, they still treat women like sh!it. And furthermore I’m not going to read the holy book that’s a cheap rip of a religion that’s also a religion based on another. I’m plenty happy sticking with the original.

 

[Slugman]

Much of what these people do in the name of Islam, has nothing to do with religion. Just because a Palestinian blows himself up and some group provides for his family, sure they may both be Muslim but other than that it had nothing to do with it.

Exactly... that is why it makes me wonder why the (damn... forget the name for it) religous leaders do not express more outrage.

 

[LordOpie]

And furthermore I’m not going to read the holy book that’s a cheap rip of a religion that’s also a religion based on another. I’m plenty happy sticking with the original.

hahah, ever see the movie "Multiplicity" with Michael Keaton. "You know how when you make a copy of a copy, it's not quite as sharp?"

 

[LordOpie]

Exactly... that is why it makes me wonder why the (damn... forget the name for it) religous leaders do not express more outrage.

The enemy of my enemy...

 

[LordOpie]

How long did it take for you to read the "coran"?

I forget, in arabic, is it spelled "koran"?

 

[Tenchiro]

Exactly... that is why it makes me wonder why the (damn... forget the name for it) religous leaders do not express more outrage.

As I see it they are not really religious leaders, just leaders in a religious society. If that makes any sense. (i.e. the Pope is a religious leader, but George Bush, while being highy religious is not)

They use religion to motivate people to make politically based actions, even when those actions they are preforming are completely against the ideals of the religion in question.

 

[TheMontashu]

As I see it they are not really religious leaders, just leaders in a religious society. If that makes any sense. (i.e. the Pope is a religious leader, but George Bush, while being highy religious is not)

They use religion to motivate people to make politically based actions, even when those actions they are preforming are completely against the ideals of the religion in question.

Its note religion, its propaganda that there calling religion.

 

[Slugman]

As I see it they are not really religious leaders, just leaders in a religious society. If that makes any sense. (i.e. the Pope is a religious leader, but George Bush, while being highy religious is not)

They use religion to motivate people to make politically based actions, even when those actions they are preforming are completely against the ideals of the religion in question.

I was (or trying to) refering to their versions of bishops/cardinals/pope... where are tehse people and their disgust for the way the name of Islam is used?

*crickets*

 

[jdcamb]

I forget, in arabic, is it spelled "koran"?

It is spelled Koran....

 

[LordOpie]

It is spelled Koran....

dude, it's a phonetic translation. It's not spelled "koran" or "coran"... that's how we spell it.

 

[Tenchiro]

I was (or trying to) refering to their versions of bishops/cardinals/pope... where are tehse people and their disgust for the way the name of Islam is used?

*crickets*

Those people don't fan the flames the media's propaganda fire. Sensationalist news sells. Just like your never gonna see 4.0 high school students make the news over a kid who just gunned down the glee club. People who do what is xpected of them get no attention, just those who act like cocks.

Cleric who denounces evil things done in the name of Islam = Not newsworthy

 

[LordOpie]

Besides, the terrorists are accomplishing some goals for the clerics, even if they don't like the methods.

 

[Slugman]

Besides, the terrorists are accomplishing some goals for the clerics, even if they don't like the methods.

BINGO... Which is a tacit approval of their (terrorist) actions!

 

[jdcamb]

dude, it's a phonetic translation. It's not spelled "koran" or "coran"... that's how we spell it.

I understand. But the common english spelling (confirmed by my Muslim co-worker) is Koran with a capital "K". He stated that growing up in Germany they did spell it there with a "C" if it really matters.....jdcamb

 

[LordOpie]

BINGO... Which is a tacit approval of their (terrorist) actions!

...and?

 

[LordOpie]

I understand. But the common english spelling (confirmed by my Muslim co-worker) is Koran with a capital "K". He stated that growing up in Germany they did spell it there with a "C" if it really matters.....jdcamb

I'm pretty sure they have medicine nowadays for being so Anal.

 

[TheMontashu]

All I know is that the terrorists won with the 911 attacks. In Israel they will never win because the Israeli people refuse to let the bombings interrupt there lives and scare them.

 

[LordOpie]

All I know is that the terrorists won with the 911 attacks. In Israel they will never win because the Israeli people refuse to let the bombings interrupt there lives and scare them.

search in this forum for posts by "coee". He lives in Israel and offers an interesting perspective.

 

[llkoolkeg]

I understand. But the common english spelling (confirmed by my Muslim co-worker) is Koran with a capital "K". He stated that growing up in Germany they did spell it there with a "C" if it really matters.....jdcamb

Again, that is the anglicized version. The English-speaking Muslims I know spell it Qu' ran.

 

[jdcamb]

I'm pretty sure they have medicine nowadays for being so Anal.

I hope it's helping you with that too.....j/k

 

[TheMontashu]

search in this forum for posts by "coee". He lives in Israel and offers an interesting perspective.

I have many friends that have or do live in Isreal, and I will be there next summer and passable half of the schoolyear next year.

 

[LordOpie]

I have many friends that have or do live in Isreal, and I will be there next summer and passable half of the schoolyear next year.

:jealous:

take pictures and post 'em.

 

[TheMontashu]

can do

 

[fluff]

All I know is that the terrorists won with the 911 attacks. In Israel they will never win because the Israeli people refuse to let the bombings interrupt there lives and scare them.

Care to elaborate on those statements? You've made some definite statements that need some backing up to be taken seriously.

 

[TheMontashu]

Terrorists do what they do to make every one scared. When the 9/11 attacks America was brought to our knees, the whole country was scared. That was the terrorist’s objective and therefore won. But in Israel the people there refuse to let the attacks disrupt there lives, by not being scared the terrorists are not completing there goals and will never win.

 

[TickTock]

Theoretical situation:

A child is born in a remote 3rd world area and from day one is told Americans are evil and bad and represent everything that he stands for.

The American child has the luxury of learning about everything and making his or her own decision and following it. The arab child might never meet or see an American. The only truth they know is what they are told and they have no reason to doubt it because they environment they are in does not allow it.

That arab goes and later kills an American. The American is the victim because he dies in the conflict for a cause that might not be the ultimate truth. The Arab is a victim as well because he does not know any different. To them, the ultimate truth that Americans are evil might be as natural and unquestioned as basic math to us. We make a mistake when we assume that all the people cheering in the muslim streets know the “truth” whatever that might be. They do not see our world, our views, our philosophy and make an unbiased judgement the way we might of theirs. They are reacting to what they consider to be the truth of the world.

What if the situation were reversed? Lets say from the day you were born your parents told you Eskimos were evil, horrid people who represented everything you stood against. Likewise in school, every class rang that same bell and every elder told you the same. You never met one and never read anything positive about one. Then at age 14 you hear an evil Eskimo was killed while trying to attack your town. Wouldn’t you cheer in the streets as well?

I know I would. That’s why for me, if they come looking for a fight, so be it…..but im not going to sit here thousands of miles away and make the same mistake they do. I believe that most of those people cheering in the streets have no clue whatsoever what is going on in the world and in the end I feel bad for them. Those poor poor 10 year olds who are going to die because of something they have been told that has no basis in truth….its sickening from all sides.

 

[TheMontashu]

it they read the koran tehy would now that only ala can judge and they should wate till judgment day.

 

[LordOpie]

i say we invade the bastards before any more of 'em get brainwashed.

 

[LordOpie]

Aug. 27: A wholesaler in Miami is recalling 14,000 bags of candy containing this toy that shows a plane flying into the Twin Towers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,130375,00.html

Bomb 'em all now! :evil:

 

[fluff]

Terrorists do what they do to make every one scared. When the 9/11 attacks America was brought to our knees, the whole country was scared. That was the terrorist’s objective and therefore won. But in Israel the people there refuse to let the attacks disrupt there lives, by not being scared the terrorists are not completing there goals and will never win.

OK, so you can say the same thing a different way. Consider these questions:

Why do terrorists want to scare people?

What does that achieve?

How are Israelis who are scared to leave their homes or take guns to the shops not letting terrorism disrupt their lives?

Why are Israelis and US citizens so different? Is it genetic?

Please don't just type the same stuff you did before in a different way, I really want you to explain your thinking, not just your opinion.

 

[TheMontashu]

How are Israelis who are scared to leave their homes or take guns to the shops not letting terrorism disrupt their lives?.

how many isrealtis do you know they all tel me there going about there normal lives and not letting it affect them