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Presidential debate V2

Toshi

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i thought the canadian drugs question was good :D
 

Toshi

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true, but it's inexcusable to simultaneously play up health care costs (tort reform) and not do anything for 4 years about the generic drug issue...
 

Toshi

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Damn True said:
Wow, good question from the moderator dude.

"I haven't heard either of you say HOW you will cut the deficit."

...oh wait, Senator, how do you figure the recession is over?
while kerry's answer was kind of weak, at least he started to answer it ($2.2B figure is from bush's lackeys, closing loopholes in tax code, + $800M from top-2% tax hike). bush did nothing except attack kerry in his "answer"...
 

Toshi

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he was addressing bush's crack about kerry being anointed the most liberal senator
 

Toshi

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plus kerry cited that malpractice insurance + suits only accounts for 1% of health care costs (or was it 1% of the increase? i should know this, oops).

"i own a timber company... that's news to me. want to buy some wood?" idiot. :dead:
 

Toshi

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Damn True said:
Any idea what a $5,500 S-Works Epic would cost if Kerry forced Specialized to build it in the US?
you can't have it both ways...
 

Toshi

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i'm glad to see that kerry stood up to the patriot act. i thought he was going to rubber stamp it
 

Damn True

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Toshi said:
plus kerry cited that malpractice insurance + suits only accounts for 1% of health care costs (or was it 1% of the increase? i should know this, oops).

"i own a timber company... that's news to me. want to buy some wood?" idiot. :dead:
I think he was making a joke.
Bush dosen't own a timber company.
 

Toshi

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Toshi

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Damn True said:
No right answer for this stem cell thing.
true. it's a morality question. the scientific viewpoint is clearly that embryonic stem cells are irreplaceable. to be more technical, only embryonic stem cells have the ability to differentiate into _all_ cell types ("pluripotent"). other kinds of stem cells are either not pluripotent or they suffer from problems with early cell death (shortened telomeres).
 

Toshi

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Damn True said:
I think he was making a joke.
Bush dosen't own a timber company.
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:uRAE6LRdroQJ:factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=265+bush+timber+company+small+business&hl=en&start=1

President Bush himself would have qualified as a "small business owner" under the Republican definition, based on his 2001 federal income tax returns. He reported $84 of business income from his part ownership of a timber-growing enterprise. However, 99.99% of Bush's total income came from other sources that year. (Bush also qualified as a "small business owner" in*2000 based on $314 of*"business income," but not in*2002 and 2003 when he reported his timber income as "royalties" on a different tax schedule.)**
 

Toshi

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"please give 3 instances where you made a wrong decision"

"on the big questions... i'll stand by those decisions because i think they're right"

he's staying the course, sure. :dead: but that's about all he can claim for himself.
 

Toshi

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i wish kerry would shut up about "winning the peace" tho
 

MikeD

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I listened to the first 3 questions on the radio as I was driving home today. I actually shut it off because I was so angry at both of them. Good lord, it's starting to look utterly and completely hopeless.

MD
 

Toshi

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Damn True said:
Wait, Kerry is saying he wouldn't cede our authority, yet he said less than an hour ago that we should not go into war without UN approval.
seeking "approval" and giving the UN veto power are two distinct things. please do not conflate them.
 

MikeD

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Toshi said:
i wish kerry would shut up about "winning the peace" tho
I wish they would both quit with the soundbytes that have nothing to do with the questions.

I wish Kerry would actually use his 2 minutes explaining the 'flip-flops' in detail, because most of it is bullcrap. I wish he'd quit his lameass 2-second criticisms, do some real analysis, and stop trying to bring everything and anything back around to jobs.

I wish Bush would...well, what's the saying? Wish in one hand, crap in the other? I'll be right back. When I return, you're best off not shaking my hand.

MD
 

Silver

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Damn True said:
Yea, though I think the FDA approval is important, you can't just let down the current testing standards.
God forbid Vioxx get in from Canada and give US citizens heart attacks...

Oh wait.
 

blue

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Bush's answer on Canadian drugs was the absolute WORST defense of pharmaceutical companies I have ever heard...I wanted to hit him with a stick when he said "BUT THEY'RE NOT SAFE!"
 

Skookum

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Damn True said:
.....but in all likelyhood, the Boston Bruins will win a World Series before the Sox do.
haha i certainly hope so, i was in a discussion with my physical therapist this morning about who would take the vacated Mariners job. i blurted out Gordie Howe's name and he looked at me like i was smoking crack. i actually meant Art Howe of course, but we had fun mentally envisioning old Gordie running out and checking the umpire on a bad call.
But back to the Sox i hope they don't win it, just because i find the whole pained little brother to New York deal funny in Boston. i fear that some of that will disappear when they win a championship.
And unfortunately my gut is telling me it's the Sox year this year. They've got a good balance and they're firing on all cylinders right now too. But it's still just my gut feeling.... :D
 

Skookum

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xbluethunderx said:
Bush's answer on Canadian drugs was the absolute WORST defense of pharmaceutical companies I have ever heard...I wanted to hit him with a stick when he said "BUT THEY'RE NOT SAFE!"
Yah you never know if third world nations smuggle terrorists in those prescription bottles. :p
i thought it was funny when Kerry was stompin around saying he wanted drugs to come from Canada, i knew he was subliminally talking to all the stoners who are licking their chops for some of that BC bud. haha