I realize this is sarcasm and all, but do you honestly think any sane christian would think this way?If God put it in the fallopian tube, that's where he meant it to be. Who are we to interfere with God's glorious plan for the death of the mother? If she didn't want an ectopic pregnancy, the whore could have kept her legs shut.
No, because I don't think Christians are totally sane.I realize this is sarcasm and all, but do you honestly think any sane christian would think this way?
My wife had an ectopic pregnancy...unfortunately we didn't know that until after she had been in some pain for a couple weeks. She never bled extrenally, thankfully, but her surgeon said that the blood clot was about a unit of blood and a twisted mess. They had to remove the tube and ovary as well.
Had we had known that her pregnancy was ectopic before her emergency surgery we would have ended it no question about it.
my vows are to my wife.what's the "pro-life" stance on ectopic pregnancies?
from a biblical pov, a "pro-life" position is entirely consistent to protect the life of the unborn after fulfilling your vows to protect the life of your wife. of course, the sticky wicket for me is a severely sick child requiring life-long care. i simply won't take a position on this.what makes, say, a 1st trimester ectopic pregnancy any less or more of a human than that same fetus implanted in the uterus? neither has a sliver of a chance of surviving outside the mother, so why should they be viewed differently by teh jeebus?
where did she stand (sit) on the butt?back in the day, i had the very convenient pleasure of knowing a catholic girl who wouldn't use protection b/c every sperm is sacred. there was a slight intellectual disconnect that we weren't married, but i let her slide on that. who am i to judge?
I believe I posted a link which touched on that the other day...thank you, stink. I don't have a snide or sarcastic reply to a post like that. I wish someone were willing to state it into a microphone in such clear terms, slippery slopes be damned.
conversely, I would also like a pro-choicer to cast off their fears of the slope and admit that the 3rd trimester fetus probably is a real life (with the first hints of human consciousness) and it makes them intensely uncomfortable to allow abortions at that stage. No that that would be any different than R v W, but it seems everyone has forgotten the specifics of that in favor of arguing the pure ideologies, which only salts the (axe) wound.
don't know; never had the wherewithal to even consider the dugout/5th basewhere did she stand (sit) on the butt?
that's a somewhat ignorant view of the "christian" belief system. not all christians believe that every physical manifestation (especially the harmful) is the act, or will of God. that's like saying all vegetarians are strict vegans (i know it's not an equal comparison).If God put it in the fallopian tube, that's where he meant it to be. Who are we to interfere with God's glorious plan for the death of the mother? If she didn't want an ectopic pregnancy, the whore could have kept her legs shut.
Then you don't believe that God is omnipotent. Either that, or he lets the devil run wild. He's either impotent or an absentee slum owner who lets his caretaker torture the tenants. Either way, I'm not impressed...that's a somewhat ignorant view of the "christian" belief system. not all christians believe that every physical manifestation (especially the harmful) is the act, or will of God.
Silver, I know you love to torture the Christians but let's keep the blatant flaming to at least some reasonable level, okay? I'm not one to moderate the PAWN forum but when every third post is Christian-bashing...Then you don't believe that God is omnipotent. Either that, or he lets the devil run wild. He's either impotent or an absentee slum owner who lets his caretaker torture the tenants. Either way, I'm not impressed...
I'm not pointing out anything that Epicurus hadn't noticed a few thousand years ago...Silver, I know you love to torture the Christians but let's keep the blatant flaming to at least some reasonable level, okay? I'm not one to moderate the PAWN forum but when every third post is Christian-bashing...
i'll pray for you........Besides which, a true Christian would have to forgive me, wouldn't he?
damnit...must spread rep to more users...don't know; never had the wherewithal to even consider the dugout/5th base
I'm sure he would.Besides which, a true Christian would have to forgive me, wouldn't he?
Your God is a feeble God.However, a true Ridemonkey Admin does not fall under the jurisdiction of your trifling religions. Here we celebrate the One True God, Beer, and He is a vengeful God with no concepts of such feeble notions as "forgiveness."
So, in that case, wouldn't you agree that I'm actually doing Christians a favor by giving them an opportunity to exercise the forgiveness that their religion demands of them? And you want me to tone it down?I'm sure he would.
Close to being Biblically accurate IMHO.absentee slum owner who lets his caretaker torture the tenants
I think you have the idea that God is like Zeus ruling from on high and intervening in the daily minutiae of people's lives. It simply is not this way, well, obviously.
bahh, your whiskey god is teh weak, the true god is ta-kill-ya, w/patron silver being a favorite dietyYour God is a feeble God.
Whiskey is the one true God.
I don't hate Christians.Why do you hate Christians so much?
I don't hate Christians.
I hate America.
I just want to take every opportunity to oppress your rights as an American citizen.
any more or less human? i dont know...what makes, say, a 1st trimester ectopic pregnancy any less or more of a human than that same fetus implanted in the uterus? neither has a sliver of a chance of surviving outside the mother, so why should they be viewed differently by teh jeebus?
uh, until about 23 weeks the chances are 0 to the best of my knowledge. can't survive if your lungs haven't formed yet.any more or less human? i dont know...
an ectopic pregnancy has virtually a zero chance of sucess.
a fertilized egg, of say, 12 weeks has a non negligible chance... unless you falcon punch the uterus or something....
he does, but a whole toshi-thought is known to cause the brains of mere mortals to explode. In another thread, n* was exposed to a half toshi-thought and have you noticed he ain't been 'round much?do you have any thoughts to share toshi?
i think the "moral" argument against abortion is ridiculous, and i think that the example of ectopic pregnancies highlights this. why should a bundle of cells be treated differently in the eyes of teh jeebus if it implants itself in the uterus or only a few cm away in the fallopian tube? in neither case is the fetus viable, and in both cases i feel that the mother's well-being should be paramount. note that well-being would include down the road effects from raising said bundle of cells, not just immediate complications.do you have any thoughts to share toshi?
Unless of course you're the next Aquaman...uh, until about 23 weeks the chances are 0 to the best of my knowledge. can't survive if your lungs haven't formed yet.
iirc, implantation on the fallopian tube doesn't necessarily disqualify viability (what - < 1% or so?).i think the "moral" argument against abortion is ridiculous, and i think that the example of ectopic pregnancies highlights this. why should a bundle of cells be treated differently in the eyes of teh jeebus if it implants itself in the uterus or only a few cm away in the fallopian tube? in neither case is the fetus viable, and in both cases i feel that the mother's well-being should be paramount. note that well-being would include down the road effects from raising said bundle of cells, not just immediate complications.
Let's not pretend that in the USA that's a two way street with the same amount of traffic flowing in each direction...just too bad there are those who make absolute moral decisions on a not so b&w issue. it's equally disappointing those who eschew morality absolutely in this difficult process.
1.3M per annum are aborted in the u.s.Let's not pretend that in the USA that's a two way street with the same amount of traffic flowing in each direction...
Is this a parody post now?1.3M per annum are aborted in the u.s.
how many abortion doctors, health care workers, PP staff members, literature publishers, pregnant women who voice desire to get an abortion, cab drivers who take them, litigators defending a woman's right to choose, & pro-choice demonstrators are put to death either in response or pre-emptively?
figures within the correct order of magnitude will suffice
teen birth rates in the US were increasing significantly (~3%) in 2006 after a 14-year deciine, to 42 births per 1,000 15-19 yo's. In absolute terms, 4.26 million births.1.3M per annum are aborted in the u.s.
figures within the correct order of magnitude will suffice