[$tinkle]

No...buying a VW is NEVER the answer to anything...

for me, it was the answer to the question: "what flash metrosexual ride can i get that will be cool for a year or two, then once it loses perceived sex appeal i can then start dumping serious cash into & never get anywhere close to bluebook when i try to bounce it?" it was the girlfriend who gave great knob on the first few dates then got as fat as her mom & had constant yeast infections, while not allowing for other "alternatives"

for me, it was a 2000 jetta; guess why it "only" has 50K miles.

go on, guess.

 

[ohio]

Do you not know that after 60000-100000miles that on the average hybrid car you have to have the batteries replaced?

Okay, so this is an area where I actually DO have some expertise, so while you all are welcome to continue writing what you wish to be the case let me clear some things up...

A hummer is built on the same PLATFORM as the GMC 2500 series. That does not make it the same car. It's a good transmission and engine, the frame is all new and the rest of the running gear is a mixture. From a reliability standpoint, the engine and transmission are the only pieces of metal worth a **** on the whole truck, and they will spend their lives working harder than in any other application short of a dedicated tow-vehicle hauling around an H2. On a highway-focused 2500 pickup 200k is likely, 300k is possible. On an H2, driven around suburbia, 150k is generous without repairs to the point that it's a salvage vehicle.

Toyota has only produced set of engine since 1980 that fails to easily go 200k without a rebuild, and that was due to the change in head gasket material to non-asbestos. When they figured out the new torque settings on the head studs/bolts, all the engines went back to rock solid. The batteries on a Prius are currently an $8000 retail replacement. However, it's warrantied to 150k miles. By the time anyone actually needs on of these and has driven far enough to have to pay for it themselves, the cost of the batteries will have dropped significantly... especially when the new Li-Ion fabs come online in China (assuming there's a retrofit for the Ni-Cad batteries in current hybrids). And as pointed out in stinkle's article, the Prius got charged with the entire R&D cost for Toyota's hybrid technology, which as we know was then rolled out to numerous other models, and will be applied top even more in the future. Do you really want to roll the cost of GM R&D on the 2500 platform (machanical R&D) AND the H1 (design inspiration and purchase of brand) AND the Avalanche (market research and strategy) into the total impact of the H2?

So please. This is asinine. There are arguments to be made, but this isn't remotely one of them. It is wishful thinking of the most desperate kind and it embarrasses all of us. Just stop.

 

[BMXman]

So please. This is asinine. There are arguments to be made, but this isn't remotely one of them. It is wishful thinking of the most desperate kind and it embarrasses all of us. Just stop.

lol..I was going to type this long post...but then I caught yours and thought you said it best...D

 

[V-Dub GTI]

Okay, so this is an area where I actually DO have some expertise, so while you all are welcome to continue writing what you wish to be the case let me clear some things up...

A hummer is built on the same PLATFORM as the GMC 2500 series. That does not make it the same car. It's a good transmission and engine, the frame is all new and the rest of the running gear is a mixture. From a reliability standpoint, the engine and transmission are the only pieces of metal worth a **** on the whole truck, and they will spend their lives working harder than in any other application short of a dedicated tow-vehicle hauling around an H2. On a highway-focused 2500 pickup 200k is likely, 300k is possible. On an H2, driven around suburbia, 150k is generous without repairs to the point that it's a salvage vehicle.

Toyota has only produced set of engine since 1980 that fails to easily go 200k without a rebuild, and that was due to the change in head gasket material to non-asbestos. When they figured out the new torque settings on the head studs/bolts, all the engines went back to rock solid. The batteries on a Prius are currently an $8000 retail replacement. However, it's warrantied to 150k miles. By the time anyone actually needs on of these and has driven far enough to have to pay for it themselves, the cost of the batteries will have dropped significantly... especially when the new Li-Ion fabs come online in China (assuming there's a retrofit for the Ni-Cad batteries in current hybrids). And as pointed out in stinkle's article, the Prius got charged with the entire R&D cost for Toyota's hybrid technology, which as we know was then rolled out to numerous other models, and will be applied top even more in the future. Do you really want to roll the cost of GM R&D on the 2500 platform (machanical R&D) AND the H1 (design inspiration and purchase of brand) AND the Avalanche (market research and strategy) into the total impact of the H2?

So please. This is asinine. There are arguments to be made, but this isn't remotely one of them. It is wishful thinking of the most desperate kind and it embarrasses all of us. Just stop.

1st off, I did not know of the warrante on the batteries from toyota. But there are other car makers that have hybrids, do they ALL have that warrante? I did not know the frame was different on the H2, when I went to the stealership, and was talking to one of the salesmen, he said that the surburban had the same frame, motor, transmission, and drive gear as the H2. He must of been wrong, because it sounds like you are correct.