5 seperate pcs. looks good though. 7 oz. looks way better than an elementary imo. they also have a wacky 4 pc bar that looks like a 2 pc. interesting stuff. i think i still like the new t1 stem better.
yeah, there's a lot of haters out there for the thomson but it's mainly for looks from what I've read. I kinda watched the recommendations of the old skoolers on bikeguide and there are several that swear by it and I'm sure they ride a LOT more than I do. Until it slips or gives me issues, I'll stand by it. I'd say it's one of the nicest components of bought in a long time and if you properly torque the six bolts, I don't think it'll slip, or for me at least...
hmmmm.... that Midnite needs some help IMO.... but hey, it is a proto.
Just like a kink. But it's like sideways from the kink, as if you were to put the bar clamp on the steerer and put the bolts where the steerer was... maybe just to set it apart from the kink? Don't know why, but with those gaps it seems it may get some funky twisting, esp. upon installation.
No doubt about the ziploc baggies, haha! One thing I like about the kink is it doesn't fall apart without bars or stem in place, like the elementary. The Relief has some tiny grooves machined into the center wedge to keep them in there if the bar clamps are secured.
The T1 looks like it clamps similar to the Straitline Wedge.
I'm currently running a 50mm/31.8 Thomson on my sussy rig and a 100mm/25.4 Thomson on my rigid XC/SS bike. I've had good luck with Thomson product including the seatposts. The reason the BMX stems might slip is that the clamp size is 22.2 so it might make the slight difference in clamping power.
Another thing I've heard, is that the Thomson might creak when used with a Chris King headset due to the Thomson clamp style and King headset design - I guess they don't work great together especially with longer travel forks.
def. not feeling the midnite stem, def. diggin the t1 stem!!!
word, to what don said, in my experience chris king headsets are not that great of a option for bikes that get abused and especially using longer travel forks... regardless of stem choice... the biggest problem being a shallow lower cup insertion depth.
I've had great luck with Thomson products! (you do have to keep the bolts greased properly otherwise they are creaky when installing/removing the faceplate or loosening the steer tube clamp)
The relief stem has been solid. Never had an issue with slipping bars, even in crashes, but then again, I've never run it with bmx bars (more leverage for slippage). I gotta mention, there is a VERY FINE LINE between too loose, and too tight and crushing your bars or even steerer tube. Get that dialed in right with an even amount of torque on all four bolts, and equal gaps in top and bottom, and you'll be golden though.
Yeah, Thomson is highly regarded for a reason. I've only had great luck with their products in the past. Chris king... well, that's a whole 'nutha story.
And castle's right about greasing those bolts, gotta do that.
...and what was that weirdo wrap around puzzle stem that SuperRat did up awhile ago for some company? Man that thing was funky, more art than function it appeared to me though.