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Push's $2,600 fork is absurd

boogenman

boogenman

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I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned yet. Over double the MSRP of offerings from the big guys? I know it's made in USA and they gotta pay for lap dances for the big guy but $2,600 seems a tad outrageous.
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Redwood Mulch Chucker

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If I were to spend crap tons of money on a USD fork (which I don't have any desire to), I would get something from Intend or Bright Racing for hundreds less than the PUSH. The PUSH offering doesn't really have much new exciting stuff other than the absurd price.

The Intend stuff has an open bath damper and is super easy to tune/service. Only $2000.

The Bright Racing fork has moto style bushings were one is fixed to the stanchion and the other the upper, it has a crown with a pass through where the air chambers from both legs are connected (interesting idea), it also has the carbonz and is damn light. The damper is interesting at least.

Both of them offer travel options greater than 170mm.

The PUSH fork just looks like an upside down platform for their ACS coil kit. It's not light, it doesn't appear to have any real innovation, and it maxes out at 170mm. Have not seen the damper apart yet, but I can only assume it's an HC97 poppet valve derivative.

I'm sure the dentist e-bike crowd will eat them up.
 
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Bikael Molton

Bikael Molton

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I’m a big fan of all the single crown forks that I’ve had on my motos, so am looking forward to trying this exciting new technology on my Swerks Levo!
 
jonKranked

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Redwood Mulch Chucker said:
If I were to spend crap tons of money on a USD fork (which I don't have any desire to), I would get something from Intend or Bright Racing for hundreds less than the PUSH. The PUSH offering doesn't really have much new exciting stuff other than the absurd price.

The Intend stuff has an open bath damper and is super easy to tune/service. Only $2000.

The Bright Racing fork has moto style bushings were one is fixed to the stanchion and the other the upper, it has a crown with a pass through where the air chambers from both legs are connected (interesting idea), it also has the carbonz and is damn light. The damper is interesting at least.

Both of them offer travel options greater than 170mm.

The PUSH fork just looks like an upside down platform for their ACS coil kit. It's not light, it doesn't appear to have any real innovation, and it maxes out at 170mm. Have not seen the damper apart yet, but I can only assume it's an HC97 poppet valve derivative.

I'm sure the dentist e-bike crowd will eat them up.
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clutch your pearls harder
 
konifere

konifere

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Honestly, I think that the fork looks sick (in all black), the crown/stanchion interface looks like it could stay creak-free longer than most and it seems very well made (domestically). I don't have an opinion on the damping as I did not even dive into it yet (no pun Intended).

I'd never buy one myself because it's way out of my price league and I wouldn't feel good thinking that I might dump my 2600$ fork into rocks, but I think that those who will buy one are not the ones focused on performance more than anything else. It's most probably the "wealthy who like to have nice things" that will make most of the buyers, and if they want to buy one, hey, good for them!

It's just like when I see an expensive car driving by it's nice but I'd have no use and no means to get one anyway.
 
Bikael Molton

Bikael Molton

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In the Vital interview, he basically says the fork is USD "because moto", and that torsional flex doesn't matter "because moto".
 
Westy

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Wait until people find out that every sport hobby has really expensive stuff that isn't necessarily better. I assume the planet may implode at the outrage.
 
captainspauldin

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Redwood Mulch Chucker said:
If I were to spend crap tons of money on a USD fork (which I don't have any desire to), I would get something from Intend or Bright Racing for hundreds less than the PUSH. The PUSH offering doesn't really have much new exciting stuff other than the absurd price.

Both of them offer travel options greater than 170mm.

I'm sure the dentist e-bike crowd will eat them up.
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Agreed, the price is a lot. Seems like the exciting bits are in the details (to me atleast), I don't have one on preorder, so no dog in this fight.

I listened to the Vital Pod on the Push fork so I'm basically a product specialist now.. One thing that touched on ALOT on the podcast was getting the alignment right on the uppers to lowers, seems like it's much more critical on a USD vs standard fork. Also getting the flex/compliance right.

Redwood Mulch Chucker said:
The Intend stuff has an open bath damper and is super easy to tune/service. Only $2000.
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Seems like PUSH wanted their fork to be pretty user serviceable. You can adjust the travel at home. seal oil can be swapped with a syringe. the integrated brake adapter can do 180/200mm rotors. You can swap the lower axle mounts/lugs to change the offset/wheelsize on your own.


Redwood Mulch Chucker said:
The Bright Racing fork has moto style bushings were one is fixed to the stanchion and the other the upper, it has a crown with a pass through where the air chambers from both legs are connected (interesting idea), it also has the carbonz and is damn light. The damper is interesting at least.
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Push tested the moto style bushing and found it doesn't work as well as the traditional fixed bushings in MTB suspension. It works on Moto because they have more oil in the stanchion. Assuming the Bright fork is open bath, so maybe it works better in that application? PUSH attempted to do a carbon version from the getgo, but ultimately decided against because the carbon fiber specialists they consulted couldn't sign off on their design working in Carbon Fiber.

Redwood Mulch Chucker said:
The PUSH fork just looks like an upside down platform for their ACS coil kit. It's not light, it doesn't appear to have any real innovation, and it maxes out at 170mm. Have not seen the damper apart yet, but I can only assume it's an HC97 poppet valve derivative.
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Yes, optimized ACS in the spring side. Damper is the a 11.6 damper inside a fork. Compression assembly is identical to the 11.6 and rebound assembly is slightly different.
 
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mykel

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My Avy / Smashpot Lyrik is a couple hundred grams lighter and I have a bit over 1300 us$ into it.

Is the Push twice as good? :clue:
 
toodles

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Pretty awesome to see companies risking so much by putting time and money into developing products like the new Push fork, just to inspire and drive new and innovative memes to amuse the rest of us
 
mykel

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toodles said:
Pretty awesome to see companies risking so much by putting time and money into developing products like the new Push fork, just to inspire and drive new and innovative memes to amuse the rest of us
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I think it looks bloody great, and has some nice really nice features, but that price is hard to swallow. I know domestic mfg and all that but that does not make it much more palatable. I'm just wondering on how some of the features are going to age. That is a lot of interface points due to the modularity. Could that be an invitation to insanity by creaks? I would like to have a good look at one, and I would not refuse a test ride.

I may bust Darren's chops over some things, but he has done some good work for me in the past. I really do hope this is a success for him.
 
Jm_

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mykel said:
My Avy / Smashpot Lyrik is a couple hundred grams lighter and I have a bit over 1300 us$ into it.

Is the Push twice as good? :clue:
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Well yeah, but your lyrik isn't an inverted fork with an ACS3 and HC97.
 
vivisectxi

vivisectxi

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OGRipper said:
Absurd or not, it's like arguing that no one should buy a Ferrari because Corvettes exist.
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it's an interesting phenomenon (whining about exotic bits pricing) that i haven't really noticed in other hobbies. even the blingiest bike builds are relatively cheap compared to many other gear oriented pastimes. curious what factors are at play (ok, maybe not THAT curious).
 
canadmos

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vivisectxi said:
it's an interesting phenomenon (whining about exotic bits pricing) that i haven't really noticed in other hobbies. even the blingiest bike builds are relatively cheap compared to many other gear oriented pastimes. curious what factors are at play (ok, maybe not THAT curious).
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Probably because when someone says that they paid $14000 for a BIKE, it seems rather crazy.

Plus the bullcrap that comes out year after year, with forced obsolescence and price increases for seemingly no reason.
 
bullcrew

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canadmos said:
@bullcrew you're up, we need you to grab one and review it.
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He has some cool stuff ,I'm pretty set on all Ohlins...easy to tune good layouts and handle my weight really well...

Looks interesting, so does the EXT...if I can find a deal I will probably play with one...can't imagine him to not try and make it well rounded and complete ..
Didn't like the first shots last year of it but after seeing it, he did a damn good job asthetically...
 
vivisectxi

vivisectxi

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i guess when people regularly drop millions on cars / boats / really ridiculous stuff like watches, $14k on a tricked out bike seems pretty reasonable to me. (not that i'm buying $14k bikes, as i'm a cheap ass bastard).
 
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