Push's $2,600 fork is absurd
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most of us can afford them. I can, but i dont. Im not a poser or easily deluded. Suspension is simple really. Kyb in MX for example.
Support, blow off and no flex were it needs and compliance were it needs. Bushings that fit. Now tailor to ride discipline.
I applaud you for local manufacturing and employment.
Running huge race team and support, over the top marketing saturation is a huge cost as well for Fox, Sram.
We dont need consumerism suspension at every 3 year cycle to enjoy top level performance.
Yes it does affect entry level, because when your overweight customers buy these, the other manufacturers think ‘oh we can lift our retail a little’. Of course that happens.
You think theyd say that publicly? Cmon
if i was faster id take the race support offered at races. Thats more important than flash externals. Will Fox give me setup tips at the nationals with your suspension?
Like the components on bikes sold complete for $100, including transport from China?
The UK prices over the last couple of years have become obnoxious, I LOL'd yesterday when affy said the new Atherton bike at £4800 was affordable.
i'm sorry but what the actual fuck are you smoking? in case you're living under a rock Fox is currently blowing out their forks for 40-60% off MSRP (including Marz product). and this is all ignoring the fact that aftermarket sales are secondary to OEM sales for them, same as RS.
race support is nice, but the percentage of mountain bikes that race on a regular basis is shockingly small compared to the entire mtb community.
aka the kind of products that sometimes aren't even sold aftermarket.
And they're still making money. I know the have to to stay in business. But...
exactly. it's a totally different business model. it's not really a secret at this point that the first sale is due to excess inventory they need to clear out before releasing the new models.
I never mind paying for quality or performance. It has nothing to do with my own capabilities.
I'd still love to demo this fork, or A/B test it compared to my current Ohlins RXF36 on some local trails.
I'd still love to demo this fork, or A/B test it compared to my current Ohlins RXF36 on some local trails.
No.
They pretty much all are. You just have no interest in knowing this. Or where to get them.
AKA exactly the sort of RM user I was talking about.
i meant online sales vs having to go through your LBS and getting something from QBP, you crusty bog man
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i'm commenting on the business structure in the region where i'm located. that's not me defending how it's done, just acknowledging of how the US bike business is run.
"I sure hope Koenigsegg doesn't come out with another $3mil car, it's going to raise the price on my Toyota Corolla." -said nobody ever
My original comment wasn't about business structure. It was about most of RM not really having the first clue about the bottom end of the cycle market. You included (clearly)
I'd love to take it for a spin as well. If for no other reason than to re-affirm that I'm shockingly undiscerning when it comes to suspension performance and any benefit this fork may offer is wasted on me.
Then again, I'm not the target demographic for this product. Carry on.
i worked in shops long enough I understand how things work, at least stateside. and long enough to realize making a career in the cycling industry wasn't for me.
but bottom end would never seek a single aftermarket product, no? bottom end is buy the big box store bike, use until dead, be shocked that a service at a bike shop costs almost as much as the bike...right?
yea. the stuff that still uses freewheel cassettes and may or may not have the fork installed correctly.
Nah. you couldn't be moar wrong really. but this is exactly what my point was.
I replace entire worn out drivetrains etc. and service quite basic bikes every week. As well as build, service and maintain current very high end bikes which have derailleurs moar expensive than that whole basic bike. (and everything inbetween) The diversity of work and people I'm able to help out or advise is a big part of why I enjoy my work so much.
My job's sort of the complete opposite to someone like Seth's.
Both of which are very easily and cheaply replaced/rectified. Can't tell if you're sneering or not at the lower end but either way I'm not really sure what your point is?
that's a pretty representative cross section, but that's not the case in every area. one of the shops I worked at had 2 locations. one was near my university, very suburban area. for every mountain bike or road bike that location sold, we'd sell 20 hybrids under $500. the other shop sold a ton of hybrids as well, but was also right at the edge of the "rich" part of town. sold cervelo, serotta, etc. the shop owner knew his shit and made a lot of effort to curate that part of the business to the point people would call up, ask if they had an s-works in X size and Y color, yes? ok hold it for me I'll be by tomorrow afternoon to pick it up.
point is I have a far better idea of how things work in the US than you assume I do. you're starting to sound as arrogant as seth.
No doubt. But that was also part of my point. The US doesn't seem particularly representative. a quick google suggests 0.5% of americans cycle to work for instance. Here it's around 6%. And we're backwards AF for cycling infrastructure in the grand scheme of things.
We may well serve similar people. But how and what we serve probably differs
oh our cycling infrastructure is awful. even in major cities where it makes sense and *some* infrastructure exists for it, sharing a road with cars is gambling with your life.
also, how are you trying to equate cycling commuter infrastructure with MSRP of high end MTB forks? did you have a moldy haggis?
I'm not. You mentioned "entry level"
Cheaper bikes. even mtbs are often bought by folk who want to use them to cycle to work. I wouldn't really call most of them cycle commuters and neither would they
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Cheaper bikes. even mtbs are often bought by folk who want to use them to cycle to work. I wouldn't really call most of them cycle commuters and neither would they
Actually a vegan kebab earlier.
I know....
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strange. thats what i mostly sell. cheaper bikes, but not bullshit. ours start at 1000chf, and i would say the average price is around 1800-2000 usuallyI'm not. You mentioned "entry level"
Cheaper bikes. even mtbs are often bought by folk who want to use them toy cycle to work. I wouldn't really call most of them cycle commuters and neither would they
Actually a vegan kebab earlier.
I know....
you never asked how i define entry level. go take a bog nap.I'm not. You mentioned "entry level"
Cheaper bikes. even mtbs are often bought by folk who want to use them toy cycle to work. I wouldn't really call most of them cycle commuters and neither would they
Actually a vegan kebab earlier.
I know....
