[Westy]

Yeah I'm like one of two people who still finds single pivots interesting, but this frame is...questionable. That seat tube. The leverage curve. meep.

Single pivots will always have a laundry list of shortcomings. A lot of those can be mitigated through additional linkages, however the old school Orange/Santa Cruz bullet designs just literally have every possible shortcoming wrapped up into a tidy little package. They had the advantage of simplicity when people didn't know how to properly design or fabricate a full suspension, but it makes no sense today unless you are literally trying to build a $300 Marino.

 

[6thElement]

Lauf Elja - Lauf Cycles - gravel bikes, mountain bikes and road bikes

We push boundaries to make you the best bikes on the planet! At a price nobody competes with. While giving you a 30 day test ride to make sure it's perfect for you.

www.laufcycles.com

Lauf cycles still exists. In case you were one of three people who needed a 2.8-3" tire 29er.

I'd love one of their Siegla's with a boingy fork. But I don't want any of that.

 

[Jm_]

Lauf Elja - Lauf Cycles - gravel bikes, mountain bikes and road bikes

We push boundaries to make you the best bikes on the planet! At a price nobody competes with. While giving you a 30 day test ride to make sure it's perfect for you.

www.laufcycles.com

Lauf cycles still exists. In case you were one of three people who needed a 2.8-3" tire 29er.

Lauf out loud

 

[Jm_]

Single pivots will always have a laundry list of shortcomings. A lot of those can be mitigated through additional linkages, however the old school Orange/Santa Cruz bullet designs just literally have every possible shortcoming wrapped up into a tidy little package. They had the advantage of simplicity when people didn't know how to properly design or fabricate a full suspension, but it makes no sense today unless you are literally trying to build a $300 Marino.

But that’s perfect for people that have no idea how a bike should ride. The kind that have never touched any of the knobs.

 

[canadmos]

Devinci just launched a new version of the Troy.

The all-new Troy & Troy ST

Today, we’re proud to release the fifth generation of our flagship mountain bike. This Troy is our most advanced aluminum frame ever. It’s built to last, by hand, in Canada. And just like every Devinci mountain bike, it’s guaranteed for life.

www.devinci.com

What I mainly noted:
- Alu frame made in Canada
- Went back to Boost148
- 2 models based on the same frame: 140/130 or 160/150
- Each model available with a single build kit or frame only. Probably a good move these days to limit inventory issues.
- No headset cable routing
- 29 or Mullet
- Long reach
- I would have preferred a shorter ST
- Now with in-frame storage

Hopefully, this is a sign Devinci (and hopefully others) are starting to move away from SuperBoost157.

I like how they are making more and more in Canada again.

And thank God that bike isn't ugly like some recent ones.

 

[trib]

Lauf Elja - Lauf Cycles - gravel bikes, mountain bikes and road bikes

We push boundaries to make you the best bikes on the planet! At a price nobody competes with. While giving you a 30 day test ride to make sure it's perfect for you.

www.laufcycles.com

Lauf cycles still exists. In case you were one of three people who needed a 2.8-3" tire 29er.

cool, they turned a trek diesel in to an xc bike

 

[SuspectDevice]

that Laugh comes with an entry to a gravel race in iceland, ahahaah.
I mean Laugh. I mean Lauff.

 

[Sandwich]

Single pivots will always have a laundry list of shortcomings. A lot of those can be mitigated through additional linkages, however the old school Orange/Santa Cruz bullet designs just literally have every possible shortcoming wrapped up into a tidy little package. They had the advantage of simplicity when people didn't know how to properly design or fabricate a full suspension, but it makes no sense today unless you are literally trying to build a $300 Marino.

You’re not wrong- by the time you’ve fixed everything wrong with a true single pivot, you end up with a Horst link/split pivot/walking beam. I still think they’re neat if done as good as possible, especially if you want light weight.

Anyways- pinkbike sez that Devinci now owns the patent on split pivot, which is interesting.

 

[jonKranked]

my DH bike is a single pivot, it rides great and I haven't died.

 

[jonKranked]

Anyways- pinkbike sez that Devinci now owns the patent on split pivot, which is interesting.

wonder if DW needed to sell it off for capital after trust shit the bed.

 

[HardtailHack]

But that’s perfect for people that have no idea how a bike should ride. The kind that have never touched any of the knobs.

Or for people like me that know any bike with some boing and decent geo will be more capable than they ever will.

 

[Mo(n)arch]

wonder if DW needed to sell it off for capital after trust shit the bed.

Total sursprise there. "Trust me, these forks will sell like bread!"

 

[Sandwich]

wonder if DW needed to sell it off for capital after trust shit the bed.

I'd assume it's more of a rapidly drying source of income. Between conflict with Trek, the freeing of horst link, the reality that it doesn't do THAT much, and an industry that is obsessed with "NEW NEWER NEWNESS" I can't imagine any new companies were interested in licensing split pivot. It's pretty much just salsa and devinici at this point, right? Maybe salsa will be on something else soon (they're blowing out all their MTB)

 

[jonKranked]

I'd assume it's more of a rapidly drying source of income. Between conflict with Trek, the freeing of horst link, the reality that it doesn't do THAT much, and an industry that is obsessed with "NEW NEWER NEWNESS" I can't imagine any new companies were interested in licensing split pivot. It's pretty much just salsa and devinici at this point, right? Maybe salsa will be on something else soon (they're blowing out all their MTB)

honestly i get the sense that DW might be done with the bike industry. can't say that i blame him.

 

[sethimus]

I'd assume it's more of a rapidly drying source of income. Between conflict with Trek, the freeing of horst link, the reality that it doesn't do THAT much, and an industry that is obsessed with "NEW NEWER NEWNESS" I can't imagine any new companies were interested in licensing split pivot. It's pretty much just salsa and devinici at this point, right? Maybe salsa will be on something else soon (they're blowing out all their MTB)

orbea uses it too

 

[slimshady]

orbea uses it too

Obea has its own implementation, just like Trek. BH is the Spanish brand licensing Split Pivot.

 

[Jm_]

Obea has its own implementation, just like Trek. BH is the Spanish brand licensing Split Pivot.

So they are not actually split?

 

[slimshady]

So they are not actually split?

They somehow escape DW's patent. I could go into details, but that'll mean splitting hairs.

 

[jonKranked]

So they are not actually split?

judge ruled that abp doesn't infringe on split pivot. that was like a decade ago. meaning the patents likely only have a couple years left.