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Gary

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The issue with bearing bulges on the inside of flat pedals isn't that your Q factor increases. It's that you can no longer use the innermost portion of the pedal next to the crank without the bulge spazzing out the sole of your shoe at a stupid angle
 
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Jm_

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The issue with bearing bulges on the inside of flat pedals isn't that your 1 factor increases. It's that you can no longer use the innermost portion of the pedal next to the crank without the bulge spazzing out the sole of your shoe at a stupid angle
Well obviously someone needs to make shoes w/a semi-circle cutout mid-section for the bearing.
 

sethimus

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The issue with bearing bulges on the inside of flat pedals isn't that your 1 factor increases. It's that you can no longer use the innermost portion of the pedal next to the crank without the bulge spazzing out the sole of your shoe at a stupid angle
can you please place an action cam so we can see how you use all that space i can’t use because race face atlas 2. really curious what i‘m supposed to be missing here
 

HardtailHack

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can you please place an action cam so we can see how you use all that space i can’t use because race face atlas 2. really curious what i‘m supposed to be missing here
I'm with Gary, I have pedal bulge pedals on one bike, normal ones on the other.
On the normal pedals my shoes pretty much rub on the crank arms, the way the good lord intended.
 

sethimus

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specialized slipnot on atlas 2 is pretty much cemented in, no way to move around but by lifting and rearranging. i usually place my feet 5mm ish away from the bulge anyway. i don‘t understand the problem
 

FlipSide

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Same here. I won't argue it can't be a problem for people riding with their foot as far in as possible, but I have personally never felt the bearing bulge on my Atlas 2 pedals.

100% a non-issue for me.
 

Gary

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really curious what i‘m supposed to be missing here
Just having a bit MOAR fun with your riding?

Dunno if you're serious about seeing footage. But plenty folk who've followed me over the years have noticed and commented on how much I swap footing position. I'm also fairly ambi-footed so have a habit of swapping my crank orientation mid trail but very few folk ever seem to notice this.
I've jacked in wrenching and am now working a 7 day a week job until Christmas. Still getting over a fucked lower back as well so only really riding local XC and road alone at fairly unsociable times of the day/night or I'd maybe try and stick a cam on a mate for your viewing pleasure.
Watch some BMX vids. or even urban wheelie kid stuff. You should be able to notice that it's fairly normal how comfortable those guys are intentionally moving their feet around their pedals and cranks. and how unphased they are even when their feet are unintentionally awkwardly placed.
 

Gary

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people riding with their foot as far in as possible
it's not that that's the preferred position. not at all. it's just that we want to be able to use the whole pedal for foot placement. and some of the crank for that matter.
Can you imagine a skateboard with stupid big bulges on the deck? That's kinda how I see pedal bearing bulges on flats
 

FlipSide

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it's not that that's the preferred position. not at all. it's just that we want to be able to use the whole pedal for foot placement. and some of the crank for that matter.
Can you imagine a skateboard with stupid big bulges on the deck? That's kinda how I see pedal bearing bulges on flats
Yes, I get it and I totally understand this can be annoying to some people who want to move their feet without restriction on the pedal. All I am saying is that it does not seem to be the case for me, personnally. It may have to do with the fact that I exclusively rode clipless pedals for over 20 years, I don't know...

Of course, YMMV.
 

Gary

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Maybe but probably just as likely it's just not your thing. I say this as I used clipless pedals for maybe 5 years on mtb in the 90s occasionally swapping to flats in the wet. But have continued to use clipless pedals exclusively on roadbikes for 30+ years.
Nothing ever changed with regards my prefernece to move my feet around flat pedals and never adopted the SPD bunnyhop (Still use flat pedal technique even when clipped in, and on the roadbike too).
 

FlipSide

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Maybe but probably just as likely it's just not your thing. I say this as I used clipless pedals for maybe 5 years on mtb in the 90s occasionally swapping to flats in the wet. But have continued to use clipless pedals exclusively on roadbikes for 30+ years.
Nothing ever changed with regards my prefernece to move my feet around flat pedals and never adopted the SPD bunnyhop (Still use flat pedal technique even when clipped in, and on the roadbike too).
Yeah, interesting.

For sure, I am probably not as good with flats as a someone who rode on them for over 20 years. All I know is that I tried flats in 2022 for mtb just to try them out, and I have not ridden with clipless ever since. :) I'd say I'm now an "adequate" flat pedal rider in terms of technique (i.e. no SPD cheating for bunny hops), but there still of course much room for improvement (which is the fun part and why I now prefer riding on flats).

Concerning foot placement, I'm not too sure if I move my foot without realizing it or not. All I know is that my comfortable position is quite outward, so the bearing bulge is not a problem for me.
 

Gary

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(which is the fun part and why I now prefer riding on flats).
Yeah. Flats simply being more fun is why I ride them too. I can also confidently ride in far sketchier manner when not clipped in.
Concerning foot placement, I'm not too sure if I move my foot without realizing it or not.
Sticky soles and grippy pedals really minimise unintentional foot movement and intentional foot movement usually involves physically lifting your foot to change/alter position. So I reckon you would notice.
Ease of foot positioning is why I almost never wear sticky soled shoes to ride in.
And because I choose to have less grip when it gets super rough I sometimes jam my rearward foot against the lower crank and pedal axle for extra security. So you can probably see how any bulge there would be a big FUCK NO! for me.
 

scrublover

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You thought so?

With absolutely no mention of the huge bearing bulge on the inside of each pedal?
it's there, sorta.

2) A housing big enough for a pair of inboard 6902 bearings does enhance a bike's stance. It works great for me, but folks who are already struggling a bit with the wider Q-factors of SRAM and Shimano's latest cranks may find their feet moved too far outboard.
 

Gary

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it's there, sorta.

2) A housing big enough for a pair of inboard 6902 bearings does enhance a bike's stance. It works great for me, but folks who are already struggling a bit with the wider Q-factors of SRAM and Shimano's latest cranks may find their feet moved too far outboard.
Nope. Cunt doesn't get it.
It's fuck all to do with "Q-factor"

Possibly too much of a cyclist.
 

trib

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Not with tg

And yet still missed it's real relevance
I agreed with you earlier up in the thread, I too think that the giant bulge and lack of central platform means that your foot doesn’t actually get to rest on anything.

But then two reviews, from real people (one of whom I quite respect) who’ve actually ridden the pedals didn’t seem to find an issue.

Gary, we all know you’re the best most special boy and you’re the only one who’s opinion matters, please tell us all again how you’re the one true rider who understands products and everyone else is wrong.
 

Gary

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I agreed with you earlier up in the thread, I too think that the giant bulge and lack of central platform means that your foot doesn’t actually get to rest on anything.

But then two reviews, from real people (one of whom I quite respect) who’ve actually ridden the pedals didn’t seem to find an issue.
Make your fucking mind up.
Do you agree with your own *sound* logic
Or two random people who've for what ever reason completely missed the issue.

Respecting someone doesn't make them immune to missing an issue others might notice instantly
 
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trib

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Make your fucking mind up.
Do you agree with your own *sound* logic
Or two random people who've for what ever reason completely missed the issue.

Respecting someone doesn't make them immune to missing an issue others might notice instantly
Unlike you Gary I can have a viewpoint then allow that to be shaped by people with practical experience.
 

Jm_

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scrublover

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For $300, I'm glad I bought the blowout X01 Eagle derailleurs for $100/ea. And those will also do 11 and 12 speed. I haven't bought a $300 derailleur yet. And I'm not about to.
I've yet to spend over $100 on one. Just like the idea of this, and hope it works out for them. If I were to buy one, it certainly wouldn't be until its been out a bit/more reviewed.

Still have to burn through my stock of pandemic bought 11spd derailleur and cassettes anyhow.
 

Jm_

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Last one I bent was an XTR 11spd about 8 years back. Nothing since then. I think our pedals and cranks take the brunt of the impact first...
 

Gary

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Unlike you Gary I can have a viewpoint then allow that to be shaped by people with practical experience.
That isn't really what you've done here though, is it? You've noted a glaringly obvious issue with the design. And are now deeming the issue to not exist. Simply because someone you say you respect didn't mention it. To me that's just weird.
I'm probably never going to use this product but from my own experience of how every pedal I've ever ridden with bearing bulges affects foot positioning I'm 100% confident these'll be no different.
 
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I’ve yet to break a derailleur. Fingers crossed. Also similarly hope it works out for them.
Broke a 12spd XTR, went through 2 XT replacements that got so much slop in them they skipped around liken a meth head under the bridge. Went AXS just to keep shifting consistent with the micro adjust, but really not into moar electronics.

Interested in the Madrone, some good ideas in there. Rough time for new bike products though, fingers crossed they make it.

"I got $10 on it!" :D
 
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