Do the high pivot bikes you have ridden offer midstroke support to push off of? I have been interested in them since the commencal supreme v4, my biggest concerns were having a bike that doesn't corner as well, and having the bike feel slushy/wallowy when trying to pump and pop through a section?
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All of the other times I've briefly tried other high pivot bikes were years ago and they weren't long demos. They were also heavy DH bikes with pretty different geometry/suspension to what we have now, so I don't think I can comment on that aspect. The Shore feels fairly progressive, and it pumps OK - not great - when given enough speed. Part of that is likely weight related.
Why do manufacturers hate straight tubes? A Ti hardtail should be classy, but the only things classy on this are the King cages.Not very downhillish, but some damn good looking steeds
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This thing makes me want to spend money.
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there are more than enough ti welders that offer straight tubes. this is not the brand for you obviouslyWhy do manufacturers hate straight tubes? A Ti hardtail should be classy, but the only things classy on this are the King cages.
but as you seem to like this one, here is another one for you:
gravel EFFUGIO
There are plenty of gravel bicycles on the market that actually are roadies with clearance for wide tyres. When creating Effugio our family’s goal was to machine the most versatile frame possible, which would be simple to maintain and which would be comfortable enough for those really long...
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He is a nice guy too.
Not very downhillish, but some damn good looking steeds
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This thing makes me want to spend money.
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I am pretty sure these guys are a scam. The frames look an awful lot like what Waltly puts out (tubing, yokes, CNC parts), so I do not buy their "made in Sweden" marketing.there are more than enough ti welders that offer straight tubes. this is not the brand for you obviously
but as you seem to like this one, here is another one for you:
gravel EFFUGIO
There are plenty of gravel bicycles on the market that actually are roadies with clearance for wide tyres. When creating Effugio our family’s goal was to machine the most versatile frame possible, which would be simple to maintain and which would be comfortable enough for those really long...
enjoy
Iron Nomad?
Is that what Zoceli Naosm means in Czech?
It is very similar but won't be made in China and should cost less.
that‘s why they are not welding in sweden but in lithuania. i‘m pretty sure they are legit, else they would not appear on the internal rapha industry discounts site.
also their heritage is well described on the website, do you even read those before making judgements?
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Thank you, I forgot about Zoceli. According to z Spanish site, Z Oceli means "made of steel" and Na Osm comes from when a Czech rider say "let's have a beer after the ride", other would answer "Na Osm?", or "why not 8?"
If you mean legit by being a real company then I agree. However, I doubt they are bespoke bike builders, more operate similar to what V-Pace is doing (which are open about it).
Yes, I looked into them a while ago as the Ti TT bike had my interest. When I compared it to frames offered by Waltly or made by them the similarities are "interesting" to say the least. The track frame from Justice (made by Waltly) has a remarkable similar main tubeset, other details are similar to Planet X frames, including some of the yokes.
So either the chinese factories source Swedish tubes and dropouts and such or Wittson are not honest about the origin of their frames.
Sounds like a similar setup as Falkenjagd, who also not clearly state where their frames are made. Falkenjagd seems to play with the "made in Germany" but in an interview the owner admitted that the frames are indeed welded in China.
that i don’t know. if i ever get into ti j. guillem probably gets my business.
love those cast parts on their gravel frame:
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saw the one build up by light wolf in rl, was a beaty:
love those cast parts on their gravel frame:
Atalaya Gravel - J.Guillem Titanium Bicycles
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saw the one build up by light wolf in rl, was a beaty:
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I think what hold the supreme back most on popping is the long as fuck geometry
No complaints about rear end support, I run it way stiffer than my old bike for support while still giving nice grip and eating chunky sections. Needs more speed to corner nice, but again that's more geometry and I don't feel the rear end fucking with me. I feel like sizing down and using cups to reduce reach or steepen the HA will make it more maneuverable
The cast parts are great. Especially the chainstay yoke looks way better than the sheet metal parts found on many other frames. J. Guillem is also produced in China BTW. If you do not buy from Moots, Lynskey, Litespeed or small custom builders you can't avoid China-made Ti bikes, but then this should be reflected in the price.that i don’t know. if i ever get into ti j. guillem probably gets my business.
love those cast parts on their gravel frame:
Atalaya Gravel - J.Guillem Titanium Bicycles
saw the one build up by light wolf in rl, was a beaty:
I had good luck with Planet X/On One Ti bikes. Welds are not Moots-level but more than acceptable and in contrast to Kingdom not overcooked. No fancy frame details though, but if you buy at the right time Planet X are cheap!
i know, but they are one of the nicest of the cheaper ones, and not as heavy as most. also offering really good service, they ship you a testbike if you are not living near a testcenter. (at least they offered to ship one to our clubhouse, as i didn’t wanna go through light wolf at the time. didn’t take the offer though).
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How about this bad boy? Looks like Turner found itself a new niche.
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Nitrous Ti Frame + FOX 34/130 Fit 4 Fork
Nitrous Over the last several years of riding gravel, I have fully enjoyed the speed and the feeling of being really connected to the roads and trails, with nothing more than the air in my tires muting the impacts. But as I pushed the limits of a gravel bike further and further, I realized...
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Why not V-Pace? I would have gotten down that route if the Tempest V1 wasn't on a crazy sale at the time.
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When did this become the "Pointless Bike Thread"? Go away with all this gravel talk, it's a stupid niche that shouldn't exist.
Yaaaay I'm getting carpool tunnel and my eyes are vibrating so much I can't see properly, I love this bike..........
If I bought a gravel bike I'd get an E version to annoy the scenesters.
Yaaaay I'm getting carpool tunnel and my eyes are vibrating so much I can't see properly, I love this bike..........
If I bought a gravel bike I'd get an E version to annoy the scenesters.
So were 29ers and fatbikes, but see where they are now.
What is wrong with any BICYCLE that can be ridden offroad? For motorcycles I prefer the ones that do not have a personal crisis and try to identify as bicycles though.
Gravel bikes are the scheiße porn of the bike world, yeah some people enjoy it but the vast majority know it is wrong on so many levels.
Living in a filter bubble much? The "vast majority" is buying gravel bikes. What do you think is wrong with these kind of bikes? They are something new that totally makes sense (disclaimer: I know cross bikes are similar and exist for a long time). Fast bikes that either open up so many more possibilities offroad than a road bike or are a way to get to and from mellow trails on pavement quicker. I bet that 90% of all folks on 29er XC bikes would be better served riding gravel bikes, at least around here.
I don't know anything about road bikes really, but how much less efficient are gravel bikes on hard surfaces? Surely they'd make better commuters and all-rounders because they're not completely hopeless if you wanna cut through a park or something? Is a gravel bike much different from a cyclo-cross bike?
around 10w more rolling resistance depending on tires. geometry is different, the bb sits much lower as you don‘t have high obstacles on the course, also more relaxed not as racy as a cyclorcrosser. one is made for short intense races, the other for all day riding. gravelbikes are then again divided in a similar way than road race bikes and road endurance bikes. and then there are some newer ones experimenting with the longer/slacker treatment. because what would the cycling industry be if not creating even more niches?
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Everyone that was buying road bikes and replica kits ten years ago is buying a gravel bike now.
I was only just wondering what the belt drive Katipo rides like this morning...
I have no interest in gearbox bikes, but I like that Beer.
As said by sethimus, usually geo differences but there is broad range of cross-worthy gravel bikes and gravel-worthy cross bikes. Real race cyclocross bikes usually can't take wide tires as the UCI limit is 33 mm. Because the market for these kind of bikes would be super small, many manufacturers add tire clearance, less aggressive geo or mounting points for fenders/packs to make the bikes sell to a broader audience.
That looks interesting!
Pipedream's new Sirius looks pretty decent, you can't ride it on a gravel road though, you'll need a different bike for that.
No sure how accurate their results are but the CX tires have pretty similar rolling resistance to much larger XC tires, I'd imagine as soon as you hit some soft over hard the XC tyre would dominate the gravel tire.
I wish Ritchey would re-release the old 2.1" Moby Bites, they were a bunch of fun on XC trails.
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No sure how accurate their results are but the CX tires have pretty similar rolling resistance to much larger XC tires, I'd imagine as soon as you hit some soft over hard the XC tyre would dominate the gravel tire.
I wish Ritchey would re-release the old 2.1" Moby Bites, they were a bunch of fun on XC trails.
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Interesting with the rolling resistance. Somehow the gravel/cross tires feel so much faster. Maybe it is just the quicker acceleration because they are significantly lighter?Pipedream's new Sirius looks pretty decent, you can't ride it on a gravel road though, you'll need a different bike for that.
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No sure how accurate their results are but the CX tires have pretty similar rolling resistance to much larger XC tires, I'd imagine as soon as you hit some soft over hard the XC tyre would dominate the gravel tire.
I wish Ritchey would re-release the old 2.1" Moby Bites, they were a bunch of fun on XC trails.
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Funny you mention soft over hard dirt: if ridden in mud, cross tires dig in until they hit the hard dirt and then grip. A MTB tire somehow floats on the surface. Was weird and surprising to me when experiencing it for the first time.
BTW: When did this become the "Pointless Bike Thread"? Go away with all this hardcore hardtail talk, it's a stupid niche that shouldn't exist. If you need that slack of a geometry you surely also need rear suspension.
Yeah the old Jeeps and Cruisers used to do well in the mud on their cheese cuter tyres, if you don't have big lugs you want to sink through the shit and find something solid.Interesting with the rolling resistance. Somehow the gravel/cross tires feel so much faster. Maybe it is just the quicker acceleration because they are significantly lighter?
Funny you mention soft over hard dirt: if ridden in mud, cross tires dig in until they hit the hard dirt and then grip. A MTB tire somehow floats on the surface. Was weird and surprising to me when experiencing it for the first time.
BTW: When did this become the "Pointless Bike Thread"? Go away with all this hardcore hardtail talk, it's a stupid niche that shouldn't exist. If you need that slack of a geometry you surely also need rear suspension.
Yeah I have one really ever have one bike and they are always a bike that is shit at everything, I enjoy riding in the bush but not really the ride to the bush. I haven't for a while but there have been 60+ mile road rides running at least one ST Minion, I'm sure people judge me while I'm on my previous purple or current pink bikes, who cares?
I tell people not to believe the hype around hardtails, people(mags mostly) make them sound like you have a religious experience whenever you jump on a hardtail, it's a load of shit.
size longer in silver fox, 2850g with hardware. won‘t build it up before the move though