[AngryMetalsmith]

I'm not the asshole trying to make light of this problem and I didn't use ad hominem about football as an argument for this assault.

No one in the PNW to my knowledge is advocating or promulgating rape culture. You posted an obvious propaganda graphic and got called out for it along with...erh mah gawd...references and went on the attack. Do you really thing so little of us, that you feel the need to lecture on the way to treat women ? Are we all rapists and serial predators to you ?

The only ones making "light of this problem" are poking fun at your ridiculously weak arguments. Especially as of late. This is not the first thread where you've gone off the deep end either.

Since you know all that is worth knowing I'll take a step or two in the pedantic pumas. I make wedding rings therefore I'm a qualified marriage counselor. It seems to me that someone is either losing arguments at home or has some similar relationship problems that are manifesting in other aspects of their life.

 

[syadasti]

Or maybe I personally know people who have been assaulted you asshole.

It wasn't my choice to be kissed

 

[rockofullr]

It's in basic job training. Sexual harassment is unwelcome, verbal or physical, and focuses on the impact to the victim - intent of the offender, positive or negative, doesn't matter.

It's probably listed in your job manual (if one exists) and it's a part of freshman orientation in most colleges these days. Still a major problem today just like discrimination because cultural norms take more than ideals and laws to change.

https://rtc.instructure.com/courses/1104586/pages/the-harassers-intent-is-irrelevant

https://www.army.mil/article/106054/intent_versus_impact_workplace_sexual_assault_and_harassment

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/om/onboard/docs/eeo.ppt

Idunno where you work but my job training didn't include same sex sports related slapass. Could have been because I'm in a job where you don't get any training. But even if I did get trained about sexy harasment, I feel like it wouldn't have included slapass.

 

[jonKranked]

Or maybe I personally know people who have been assaulted you asshole.

we all do, whether or not they've chosen to disclose it to us.

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

Or maybe I personally know people who have been assaulted you asshole.

Okay, apparently you didn't click the link I provided earlier so here is the entire transcript of the interview. And maybe I missed that part where she says it was against her will. But you read it for yourself.

Interview with Greta Zimmer Friedman [8/23/2005]
Patricia Redmond:
This is the Veterans History Project in partnership with the Library of Congress. Today is August the 23rd, 2005, and this is the beginning of an interview with Greta Z. Friedman, F-r-i-e-d-m-a-n, at her home at [address redacted]. Mrs. Friedman was born on [birth date redacted] and is 81 years old. I am Patricia T. Redmond, a member of the Frederick Chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution, representing Maryland State DAR. Mrs. Friedman is a civilian, but she has a very special story to tell about an event. This event occurred on V-J Day on August the 14th, 1945 in Times Square. I think most people have seen the picture of the sailor kissing what was identified as the nurse, The Kissing Sailor. But the names of these individuals was not revealed by the LIFE Magazine photographer, Alfred Eisenstaedt, when it appeared in LIFE Magazine, and everyone has questioned who these two people were. I think we can tell you today who the lady was. Mrs. Friedman, can you tell us your story?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Well, I was working in a dental office on Lexington Avenue for two brothers, JD and JL Burke, and all morning long people would come in and say there seems to be rumors that the war is ending. And since I wasn't very far from Times Square, I could just walk over there and see for myself. And so after my bosses came back at 1:00 from their lunch hour, excuse me, I went straight to Times Square where I saw on the lighted billboard that goes around the building, V-J Day, V-J Day, and that really -- that really confirmed what the people have said in the office. And so suddenly I was grabbed by a sailor, and it wasn't that much of a kiss, it was more of a jubilant act that he didn't have to go back, I found out later, he was so happy that he did not have to go back to the Pacific where they already had been through the war. And the reason he grabbed someone dressed like a nurse was that he just felt very grateful to nurses who took care of the wounded. And so I had to go back to the office, and I told my bosses what I had seen. And they said, Cancel all the appointments, we're closing the office. So they left, and I canceled all the appointments and went home.

Patricia Redmond:
How old were you at this time?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
I was 21, just 21.

Patricia Redmond:
And who was this sailor who kissed you?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
I did not have a clue because I -- he didn't give his name or anything, and I didn't see the picture. I didn't see the picture until the 1960s when I looked at a book called The Eye of Eisenstaedt. And I immediately wrote to LIFE, and they said we will send -- something to the effect that they'll send me a picture, but the person has been identified. And so I didn't believe that because I know it happened to me, and it's exactly my figure and what I wore and my hairdo especially, and I sent them some photographs. So time went by, and in 1980 they contacted me, LIFE Magazine contacted me, and I brought the picture to Mr. Eisenstaedt, and he signed it and apologized.

Patricia Redmond:
Now, Mr. Eisenstaedt had called the picture simply "V-J Day," and he just hadn't identified you. You didn't even know that your picture was taken at the time, did you?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
No. I had no -- I did not observe anybody taking pictures. I was anxious to get back to work. So I didn't.

Patricia Redmond:
So what happened in 1980?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
In 1980 they called George and me because I had not met George until --

Patricia Redmond:
Now, this is George --

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
George Mendonsa.

Patricia Redmond:
Okay, George Mendonsa. That's M-e-n-d-o-n-s-a?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yes.

Patricia Redmond:
And he lives in?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
He lived in Rhode Island. I've got his address somewhere.

Patricia Redmond:
That's all right. He lived in Rhode Island, and he was actually a sailor whereas you were not a nurse?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
I was a dental assistant.

Patricia Redmond:
But you did have a white uniform on.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Well, yes, because we dressed the same way, and in some ways we did what nurses do. In other words, help the patient, make them more comfortable, and often they would do extractions, so it was surgery, and so...

Patricia Redmond:
But you were not in the military, you were a civilian?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
I was not. I was a civilian, and that was my job. And we dressed like nurses, white stockings, white shoes, white dress, and a cap which we took off, we took the cap off during lunch hour when we went out for lunch.

Patricia Redmond:
Okay. Let's get back to the kissing sailor. When he grabbed you and gave you a kiss, what did you feel like?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
I felt he was very strong, he was just holding me tight, and I'm not sure I -- about the kiss because, you know, it was just somebody really celebrating. But it wasn't a romantic event. It was just an event of thank God the war is over kind of thing because it was right in front of the sign.

Patricia Redmond:
Did he say anything to you when he kissed you?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
No, no. It was just an act of silence.

Patricia Redmond:
He just grabbed you, gave you a kiss, and then was gone?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Oh, yeah, we both -- we both left, went on our own way. And I found out later that he and his fiancee I think at the time, they probably were engaged already, they had come from Radio City Music Hall. They also heard that the war was over. So they just left the show. They never even saw the whole show and went to Times Square because if you needed to know the latest news, there it was.

Patricia Redmond:
In Times Square.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yeah.

Patricia Redmond:
Okay. I know there have been a lot of people who have laid claim to this. I know there are at least three women and 20 men who have said they were the couple that kissed, they were the kissing sailor and the nurse at Times Square on V-J Day. Do you have any comment about this?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
They definitely were not, and I'm going to show you in LIFE Magazine how we looked at the time. So take me a moment to find it.

Patricia Redmond:
What is this issue of LIFE? This is October 1980. Okay. And this was when you originally found the picture and the first time --

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
No. I found the picture --

Patricia Redmond:
Oh, no, you had seen it in 1960, that's right.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
In the book.

Patricia Redmond:
In his book.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Eisenstaedt's photography book.

Patricia Redmond:
But it's been published in many, many different forms.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Oh, yes.

Patricia Redmond:
There it is. "Who's the Kissing Sailor?"

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Right.

Patricia Redmond:
All right. This has been a mystery for many years, hasn't it?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Well, not to us. Let me see.

Patricia Redmond:
For those of you who don't know, LIFE Magazine was one of the most well-known magazines like Newsweek and so forth. Okay.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Okay. Do you see this? Look at the hairdo.

Patricia Redmond:
We have pictures of ladies here on page 72, and it says "Fair maids from afar claim they were kissed." And we also have the picture of the kissing sailor and the nurse, we'll call her a nurse because that's what everybody has been calling you for many years, and we're looking at --

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
You see how my hair is braided on top. You can tell that it's swept up with a comb. In the back, her hair is long, her hair is much longer.

Patricia Redmond:
Okay. We have Edith Shain and we have Barbara Sokol, S-o-k-o-l, and all three of these ladies are claiming to be the one that was kissed. Do you think that George Mendonsa went around kissing all the ladies?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
No, but other sailors did. They -- they were happy they didn't have to go back to war. They had had enough. So, you know, they were not the only sailor that kissed women.

Patricia Redmond:
So that's the thing. There were many. Maybe these ladies, maybe these ladies were all kissed by different sailors.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Sure.

Patricia Redmond:
And you were perhaps kissed or you were kissed by George Mendonsa, and Alfred Eisenstaedt took your picture.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Right.

Patricia Redmond:
And so everybody has a valid claim because they were on Times -- in Times Square on V-J Day.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Right.

Patricia Redmond:
And were kissed.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Right.

Patricia Redmond:
But your picture was taken.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Uh-huh.

Patricia Redmond:
Okay. We have more pictures here. These are the pictures of the kissing sailors, and there are quite a few kissing sailors, at least they think they are. Let's see. There's Bill Swicegood and Bud Harding and Jack Russell. And where is Mr. Mendonsa, is he in here too?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yes, I think that's George.

Patricia Redmond:
Okay. George Mendonsa, yes. And Wallace Fowler. Well, maybe all of these sailors were there and were kissing pretty ladies.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Oh, sure. Different times all throughout the day and the evening people were there and it was like New Year's Eve, only better.

Patricia Redmond:
Only better, yes. What -- what did you do -- what did you do for the rest of the day? You were off, your office was closed, you were celebrating?

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yeah, I went home.

Patricia Redmond:
And you didn't think anything about the kiss until years later?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Until I saw the picture, yeah. Then I said, Hey, wait a minute, that's me.

Patricia Redmond:
And then you recalled the incident.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's something you don't forget, especially if you see it photographically.

Patricia Redmond:
And how did you find out that it was George Mendonsa who kissed you?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Well, we met in Times Square in 1980.

Patricia Redmond:
But who invited you to Times Square then?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
LIFE Magazine.

Patricia Redmond:
Okay. And?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
And we sort of -- I didn't want to reenact the kiss. First of all, my -- well, no, my husband did not come with me, but his wife was there.

Patricia Redmond:
Mr. Mendonsa's wife?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yes.

Patricia Redmond:
Well, she was there the first time.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Well, I didn't know. Well, it wasn't -- it wasn't my choice to be kissed. The guy just came over and kissed or grabbed.

Patricia Redmond:
This was back in 1945.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yes.

Patricia Redmond:
Okay. So now we're in 1980, and we do a reenactment of the kiss.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yes. I told him I didn't want to redo that pose.

Patricia Redmond:
Well, we have -- we have the picture here.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
It's sort of a --

Patricia Redmond:
And it's kind of the pose, and it says -- and the sign, this is Times Square.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Right.

Patricia Redmond:
It says, what does it say on the sign?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
It says, "It had to be you."

Patricia Redmond:
Okay. So that makes it pretty official, doesn't it?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
I would guess.

Patricia Redmond:
And this photo, this one that we're looking at that was taken in 1980, who was the photographer?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Alfred Eisenstaedt.

Patricia Redmond:
Okay. So Alfred Eisenstaedt has said that you two were indeed the kissing couple.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
I don't know if he really had such a great view of our faces, but I think he was attracted more by the pose, and it was a black-and-white shot, and as a photographer he just knew that he had a good picture. It was an opportunity, and that's the job of a good photographer is to recognize an opportunity.

Patricia Redmond:
And as it said in this article that told about you and Mr. Mendonsa, "It was an enduring symbol of the joy and relief felt by a nation at the end of the war."

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Right. Everyone was very happy and relieved, and people on the street were friendly and smiled at each other. It was a day that everyone celebrated because everyone had somebody in the war, and they were coming home. And women were happy though, their boy friends and husbands came home, and so were the parents. So it was a wonderful gift finally to end this war. It was a long war, and it cost a lot.

Patricia Redmond:
Okay, Mrs. Friedman, I'm sure that everybody's going to be curious about you and your life. Could you just tell us a little bit about -- about where you were born and grew up and how you became a dental assistant?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
I was born in Austria, came here at the age of 15, and I went actually to what is now called The Fashion Institute. It was called the Central Needle Trades School. And right after graduation I met a young girl, my age, who was a dental assistant. I thought, hey, maybe that might be interesting. So I got a little bit sidetracked for a few years, and I was doing dental assisting. And during the summers I would work in summer theatre because I then took courses at Fashion Institute, FIT, in New York. And then I altogether quit dental assisting and went into, after having experience in summer theatre, I worked for the toy industry designing dolls clothes for a number of years. And then again worked in summer theatre, and I met my husband there, and that's how come I left New York.

Patricia Redmond:
Now, when was this?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
1956. And I was in Frederick and I thought, well, I might as well catch up on my education. I started with college, and my children were born, so I took it very slowly. I did a lot of auditing. And finally when my kids were ready for college I thought, well, I better get serious, and I went full time and finished in '81, the same year that both my kids graduated from college.

Patricia Redmond:
And you have two children?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yeah.

Patricia Redmond:
And they are a boy and a girl?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yes.

Patricia Redmond:
And you graduated in 1981 with them?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Right. But all three different colleges.

Patricia Redmond:
Oh, that's exciting. I bet they're proud of their mother.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
I hope so but, you know, it takes a while.

Patricia Redmond:
And so what -- what did you get your degree in?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
I'm an art -- I was an art major.

Patricia Redmond:
And have you used this degree?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Oh, yeah, through artwork all the time.

Patricia Redmond:
Okay. But you're not working now?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
I'm working on my own work, my own artwork.

Patricia Redmond:
What kind of artwork is this?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Right now I'm working in watercolor. Actually, I forgot to mention, for the last ten or eleven years I worked as a book restorer at Hood College restoring and rebinding books.

Patricia Redmond:
Okay. Just tell me, how does it feel to be so famous? Are you --

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Oh, it's kind of fun because it was very accidental. It's a fame for just being there, being dressed right and, you know, some people get famous because -- Actually the fame belongs to the photographer because he provided an art. I can't call it a skill. He was an artist. So I think he deserves the credit. I just happened to be there and so was George.

Patricia Redmond:
And you and George are in touch still?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Once in a while. Well, we send each other Christmas cards. And he has a very lovely wife, and I've talked to her. But we're not friends who see each other, but through this happening, you know, we have something in common. And probably at Christmas we'll get in touch by sending cards again.

Patricia Redmond:
Well, I'm going to interview George Mendonsa.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yes.

Patricia Redmond:
Next week.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yes.

Patricia Redmond:
And hear his side of the story.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Good.

Patricia Redmond:
So do you have any words for him?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yeah. Well, I think he was the one who made me famous but, I mean, because he took the action. I was just a bystander. So I think he deserves a lot of credit. Actually, by the photographer creating something that was very symbolic of the end of a bad period.

Patricia Redmond:
I thank you very much.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Thank you.

Patricia Redmond:
It's a wonderful story, and thank you for sharing it with us. [Interview concluded]

 

[syadasti]

Yes she said it wasn't her choice. That's against her will - an unwanted physically interaction. This would get you discharged in the military today, fired from your job, or expelled from school:

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's something you don't forget, especially if you see it photographically.

Patricia Redmond:
And how did you find out that it was George Mendonsa who kissed you?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Well, we met in Times Square in 1980.

Patricia Redmond:
But who invited you to Times Square then?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
LIFE Magazine.

Patricia Redmond:
Okay. And?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
And we sort of -- I didn't want to reenact the kiss. First of all, my -- well, no, my husband did not come with me, but his wife was there.

Patricia Redmond:
Mr. Mendonsa's wife?

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yes.

Patricia Redmond:
Well, she was there the first time.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Well, I didn't know. Well, it wasn't -- it wasn't my choice to be kissed. The guy just came over and kissed or grabbed.

Patricia Redmond:
This was back in 1945.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yes.

Patricia Redmond:
Okay. So now we're in 1980, and we do a reenactment of the kiss.

Greta Zimmer Friedman:
Yes. I told him I didn't want to redo that pose.

Sexual Assault
Sexual assault, as defined in the Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Program Manual, is intentional sexual contact, characterized by use of force, threats, intimidation, abuse of authority or when the victim does not or cannot consent. Sexual assault includes rape, forcible sodomy and other unwanted indecent contact (e.g., kissing against another person’s will) that is aggravated, abusive or wrongful (to include unwanted and inappropriate sexual contact), or attempts to commit these acts.

“Consent” means words or overt acts indicating a freely given agreement to the sexual conduct at issue by a competent person. An expression of refusal or lack of consent through words or conduct means there is no consent (i.e., “No Means No”). Lack of verbal or physical resistance or submission resulting from the accused’s use of force, threat of force or placing another person in fear does not constitute consent. The victim’s lack of verbal or physical resistance or submission resulting from intoxication, from unconsciousness due to sleep or alcohol consumption, or from any other conditions which render the person substantially incapacitated or substantially incapable of understanding the nature of the sexual act, declining participation in the act or communicating unwillingness to engage in the sexual act does not constitute consent. A current or previous dating relationship shall not constitute consent. The manner of dress of the victim shall not constitute consent.

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

Yes she said it wasn't her choice. That's against her will - an unwanted physically interaction. This would get you discharged in the military today, fired from your job, or expelled from school:

Where in the transcript does she say that ? Please point this out. I couldn't find any quotes by Mrs. Zimmerman that claims she was assaulted. Neither of the two parties thought it was inappropriate let alone sexual assault. To me that pic insults the atrocities witnessed and war fought by our grandparents. It was a moment of celebration that World War Two had ended. The only thing inappropriate about it was the use of that image to promote another groups agenda at the exclusion of the experiences of those depicted in said image.

And you're right, randomly kissing a stranger without consent would be considered sexual assault by today's standards. But you're taking an event completely out of context by interjecting into the discussion as something that is currently relevant. It's not and that image is just propaganda.

 

[Westy]

 

[Westy]

 

[Westy]

 

[Westy]

 

[Westy]

 

[Westy]

 

[Westy]

 

[jstuhlman]

 

[syadasti]

And you're right, randomly kissing a stranger without consent would be considered sexual assault by today's standards. But you're taking an event completely out of context by interjecting into the discussion as something that is currently relevant. It's not and that image is just propaganda.

Because assault was normalized then and women were taught things like this were acceptable.

Similarly child marriage is still legal in many states but the grown men taking advantage of children are still predators even though it's still normalized in some parts of America and the children involved don't realize it's wrong:

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/08/30/547072368/a-look-at-the-loopholes-that-allow-child-marriage-in-the-u-s

 

[Westy]

 

[Westy]

 

[Westy]

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

Because assault was normalized then and women were taught things like this were acceptable.

Similarly child marriage is still legal in many states but the grown men taking advantage of children are still predators even though it's still normalized in some parts of America and the children involved don't realize it's wrong:

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/08/30/547072368/a-look-at-the-loopholes-that-allow-child-marriage-in-the-u-s

You keep ignoring my questions.

 

[Pesqueeb]

I'm not the asshole trying to make light of this problem and I didn't use ad hominem about football as an argument for this assault.

No, but you are the asshole making an argument for assault on a child. I guess there are excuses?

Or maybe I personally know people who have been assaulted you asshole.

How amazing, you must be the only person, ever, to know a victim of an assault, and are therefore, unequally qualified to instruct us all on what constitutes one.

Bill Maher has been making the point for a while that the reason the Democrats are getting their asses handed to them lately is due in large part to the liberal wing being all or nothing when it comes to ideas. IE, if you're not a progressive on every subject, every policy, every micro issue, then it's not good enough. Some of my people (the hippies) are terrible about this. If it's not one whole revamp, complete replacement, giant policy change, whatever, then its unacceptable and we have to burn it down. Simple baby steps, or slow change in the name of progressiveness is unacceptable. The perfect, is definitely the enemy of the good.

This is a good example of that.

Remember when I said this? You have only turned this shit up to 11 since then. The photo is a perfect example. Someone took that historical photo, and decided to make "a cause" out of it. If everyone isn't "TOTALLY OITRAGED!!!1!!!1!!!11!!!" then they are complicit to rape culture and must be burned at the stake, they are the enemy! Yea, maybe it's awkward, and not okay, certainly by today's standards. I wouldn't let that go. But context is important. It was you know, only the end of the largest war in human history, the culture was different, and people thought differently. It's worth noting that Jim Crow was alive and well and acceptable at the time of that photo as well. Where's your outrage about that? Maybe there is a historical photo of some black kids at a lunch counter or something we can hijack for a totally unrelated cause? Obviously we should hijack whole threads and castigate anyone not 150000% in agreance with you on how every single microscopic aspect of it should be handled.

Everybody down here in PaWN, is on your side. With the exception of N8, and $tinkle (RIP) this place is a liberal, bleeding hearted wonderland. We agree, for the most part (I think) that yes, women deserve to walk about freely, without fear of assault. The NFL has, at best, quite a long way to go to address it's problems, which are many, religion is bogus, so on, and so forth. Yet you take it upon yourself to address us all as if we are children when we don't want to burn institutions to the ground, tonight. You are incapable, or unwilling (I haven't decided which) of any fucking nuance. Jesus, we know the NFL has issues. Let some goddamn cancer kids watch a fucking college game without turning it into a cause. Lets appreciate the end of WWII without starting WWIII. I know grammar nazi is a long, proud, internet tradition, but maybe someone might use "irony" incorrectly without a graduate school dissertation on it's proper use. Maybe, possibly, every once in awhile, bears break into things. My dad has a great story about a bear ripping the windshield out of his patrol car when he was a ranger in Yellowstone in the late 60's, while he was in it. But that doesn't matter to you, because you've owned a parakeet or some shit and wrangled a couple turtles and that, apparently, makes you Sir David Fucking Attenborough.

It's getting to the point, where agreeing with you, makes me question how I think about things. I have been a card carrying liberal, leftist, pacifistic, hippie as long as I've known what those words mean. Remember how after the election, one of the "arguments" for The Dotards victory was that the common folk where tired of being "talked down to" by liberals? I thought that was complete bullshit until this last week, or so. That's what you do, to people who agree with you for fuck sake. You talk down to us all as if we are petulant children the second anyone finds nuance to an argument, on subjects that we agree on on a macro level. You're not wrong, you're just an asshole. Outrage isn't a race anyone is trying to win. I swear to the FSM. Keep it up, and I'll start going back to church, listening to Hannity, vote republican and using the words "librul", "cuck", and "snowflake" un-ironically.

 

[rideit]

Rant ON!

 

[Nick]

You're not wrong, you're just an asshole.

I'll just leave this here and show myself out ....

 

[jstuhlman]

did we make ridemonkey great again yet?

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

Can someone hit @Pesqueeb with some rep for me ?

 

[jstuhlman]

cannot breach said wall

 

[johnbryanpeters]

Can someone hit @Pesqueeb with some rep for me ?

Yup.

 

[jonKranked]

No, but you are the asshole making an argument for assault on a child. I guess there are excuses?



How amazing, you must be the only person, ever, to know a victim of an assault, and are therefore, unequally qualified to instruct us all on what constitutes one.





Remember when I said this? You have only turned this shit up to 11 since then. The photo is a perfect example. Someone took that historical photo, and decided to make "a cause" out of it. If everyone isn't "TOTALLY OITRAGED!!!1!!!1!!!11!!!" then they are complicit to rape culture and must be burned at the stake, they are the enemy! Yea, maybe it's awkward, and not okay, certainly by today's standards. I wouldn't let that go. But context is important. It was you know, only the end of the largest war in human history, the culture was different, and people thought differently. It's worth noting that Jim Crow was alive and well and acceptable at the time of that photo as well. Where's your outrage about that? Maybe there is a historical photo of some black kids at a lunch counter or something we can hijack for a totally unrelated cause? Obviously we should hijack whole threads and castigate anyone not 150000% in agreance with you on how every single microscopic aspect of it should be handled.

Everybody down here in PaWN, is on your side. With the exception of N8, and $tinkle (RIP) this place is a liberal, bleeding hearted wonderland. We agree, for the most part (I think) that yes, women deserve to walk about freely, without fear of assault. The NFL has, at best, quite a long way to go to address it's problems, which are many, religion is bogus, so on, and so forth. Yet you take it upon yourself to address us all as if we are children when we don't want to burn institutions to the ground, tonight. You are incapable, or unwilling (I haven't decided which) of any fucking nuance. Jesus, we know the NFL has issues. Let some goddamn cancer kids watch a fucking college game without turning it into a cause. Lets appreciate the end of WWII without starting WWIII. I know grammar nazi is a long, proud, internet tradition, but maybe someone might use "irony" incorrectly without a graduate school dissertation on it's proper use. Maybe, possibly, every once in awhile, bears break into things. My dad has a great story about a bear ripping the windshield out of his patrol car when he was a ranger in Yellowstone in the late 60's, while he was in it. But that doesn't matter to you, because you've owned a parakeet or some shit and wrangled a couple turtles and that, apparently, makes you Sir David Fucking Attenborough.

It's getting to the point, where agreeing with you, makes me question how I think about things. I have been a card carrying liberal, leftist, pacifistic, hippie as long as I've known what those words mean. Remember how after the election, one of the "arguments" for The Dotards victory was that the common folk where tired of being "talked down to" by liberals? I thought that was complete bullshit until this last week, or so. That's what you do, to people who agree with you for fuck sake. You talk down to us all as if we are petulant children the second anyone finds nuance to an argument, on subjects that we agree on on a macro level. You're not wrong, you're just an asshole. Outrage isn't a race anyone is trying to win. I swear to the FSM. Keep it up, and I'll start going back to church, listening to Hannity, vote republican and using the words "librul", "cuck", and "snowflake" un-ironically.

 

[kidwoo]

syadasti turned me republican

spread the word #metoo

 

[jonKranked]

meanwhile, back on subject.....

 

[mykel]

 

[eric strt6]

 

[eric strt6]

 

[Westy]

 

[Pesqueeb]

https://twitter.com/senthomtillis/status/922866143790026753

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

https://twitter.com/senthomtillis/status/922866143790026753

Don't look at me, I didn't vote for him.

 

[Pesqueeb]

 

[Pesqueeb]

Don't look at me, I didn't vote for him.

Maybe not, but you got to admit, that shit is funny.

 

[jstuhlman]

unfortunately, we're past the point of funny. tillis is prick anyway. joker's laughing away at the grand distraction while crap that supports his conservative agenda is moving forward in the shadows. fuck him.